golf tdi 150, any thoughts please
10 December 2006, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkForce
Then you're one of the lucky ones 
Like I said before the only niggle was the handling, the sports kit does make a difference, and they are ok if you pick a line round a corner and stick to it - but they really dont like it when you want to change direction quickly
I was always reminded of this when I drove the wifes Focus.. Still bloody good cars though.. Ended up swapping mine for a MkV Gti, might have a look at getting the 170bhp Tdi next year, should be a great car with a remap..Chris
10 December 2006, 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkForce
Its a better car than the 150 in many people's books as the power difference is hardly noticable and the trade off in reliability isn't worth it.
What trade off in reliability is this?
My PD150 having covered 65k miles has suffered a failed brake pedal switch, broken plastic window runners and an intermittently faulty expansion bottle sensor.
Oh wait a minute, these are faults associated with ALL golfs so I'd love to hear what the PD150 suffers that ther other's don't?
10 December 2006, 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Christ
Wouldnt say so, no problems for me either, or dozens of guys I know from ukmkiv's.. Mine was just a touch over 200hp, and if anything Id have thought would be more reliable when remapped due to the lower intake temps with the PD150s standard front mount intercooler.
Like I said before the only niggle was the handling, the sports kit does make a difference, and they are ok if you pick a line round a corner and stick to it - but they really dont like it when you want to change direction quickly I was always reminded of this when I drove the wifes Focus.. Still bloody good cars though.. Ended up swapping mine for a MkV Gti, might have a look at getting the 170bhp Tdi next year, should be a great car with a remap..
Chris
Like I said before the only niggle was the handling, the sports kit does make a difference, and they are ok if you pick a line round a corner and stick to it - but they really dont like it when you want to change direction quickly
I was always reminded of this when I drove the wifes Focus.. Still bloody good cars though.. Ended up swapping mine for a MkV Gti, might have a look at getting the 170bhp Tdi next year, should be a great car with a remap..Chris
We test drove both the 130 and the 150 and my mum preferred the power delivery of the 130, plus I didn't think the 150 was loads faster. They're both excellent cars though!The reliability comment came from a friend who works at Volkswagen, he said that they were having problems with the turbo on several 150s and advised to go for the 130. From memory they have variable vane units?
10 December 2006, 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by talizman
eh?
What trade off in reliability is this?
My PD150 having covered 65k miles has suffered a failed brake pedal switch, broken plastic window runners and an intermittently faulty expansion bottle sensor.
What trade off in reliability is this?
My PD150 having covered 65k miles has suffered a failed brake pedal switch, broken plastic window runners and an intermittently faulty expansion bottle sensor.
See my post above for the information I was told about the 150.
10 December 2006, 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkForce
We test drove both the 130 and the 150 and my mum preferred the power delivery of the 130
For info, all the Tdi's (the PD's anyway) have variable vane turbos.
If you go to VNT15-Turbo and scroll down you will see the problems are usually caused when the units soot-up, jamming the mechanism.. This problem isnt limited to the 150, but as far as I know is in-frequent.
Chris
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11 December 2006, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Volks
Strongly biased? Not really, I sold my 150PD remember and I even said it wasn`t the finest car on the planet and that if I`d wanted a sweet handling small diesel car I`d have bought a Focus. please try to read other people`s posts, it`ll save you a lot of time.
Now, in my previous post I said that, for most of the people, most of the time, a 150PD Golf will be all they need, I stand by this. To say they are unpredictable on the limit is, frankly, bollocks. They will, predictably, understeer on the limit but I`m guessing that 99.5% of owners will never get even close to the limit.
My car was fitted with the sport pack (Slightly stiffer suspension, 17 inch wheels) and was a reasonable steer. I liked it and I guess that Volkswagen got it about right considering the number they sold.
Now, here`s the economics bit. Volkswagen are in business to sell cars and make a profit. By making the Golf a neutral handler they are open to a wide audience. Not all people want to hoon around the countryside in a rapid diesel hatchback like a loon.
Oh, mine never bottomed out and was pretty rigid with respect to flex. I`m sure you`ll come up with some other cobblers based on magazine write-ups and a short test drive.
I owned my 150 PD for 18 months and 25,000 miles. I still miss it today.
I`d be intersted if you could supply the chassis torsional stiffness figures as well, they`d make interesting reading.............
Now, in my previous post I said that, for most of the people, most of the time, a 150PD Golf will be all they need, I stand by this. To say they are unpredictable on the limit is, frankly, bollocks. They will, predictably, understeer on the limit but I`m guessing that 99.5% of owners will never get even close to the limit.
My car was fitted with the sport pack (Slightly stiffer suspension, 17 inch wheels) and was a reasonable steer. I liked it and I guess that Volkswagen got it about right considering the number they sold.
Now, here`s the economics bit. Volkswagen are in business to sell cars and make a profit. By making the Golf a neutral handler they are open to a wide audience. Not all people want to hoon around the countryside in a rapid diesel hatchback like a loon.
Oh, mine never bottomed out and was pretty rigid with respect to flex. I`m sure you`ll come up with some other cobblers based on magazine write-ups and a short test drive.
I owned my 150 PD for 18 months and 25,000 miles. I still miss it today.
I`d be intersted if you could supply the chassis torsional stiffness figures as well, they`d make interesting reading.............
Your comments about magazine write up and short test drive are beneath contempt considering I owned a PD150 for a similar time and mileage to you.
It's obvious to me that you're a very undemanding driver, probably with a very narrow experience. Don't worry though you'll learn as you go along.
As for rigidity VW themselves claim the MKV is 80% more rigid than the MKIV which tells you all you need to know on that subject.
11 December 2006, 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Torpid
From reading that I suggest that you've never driven a MKIV PD150 in extremis. I have, a 13K miler in fact, with the suspension setup from the anniversary and it was NOT predictable in extremis, particularly with the ESP disengaged. 15 laps of the Nurburgring revealed a car that I wouldn't trust to make potentially life saving maneuvers in.
I can`t remember getting myself in a situation that required a life saving change of direction so I can`t comment on that.
I have over 20 years of experience cheers, I suspect that I`m a little less demanding on my cars than you are on yours. I`ll take that as a complement! I like to drive smoothly rather than wrestle the car.
I`m still learning too, I suggest that the day you think you know it all on the roads is the day you`ll get yourself (and maybe others too) into a tight spot.
I hope you enjoy your extremis driving, I`ll be steering clear of you if that`s OK
My Vr6 is now for sale due to new scoob.
12 December 2006, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Volks
Hmmm, I`m not sure where to start with that to be honest. I`m pretty sure VW didn`t set out to make the 150PD a rewarding drive around the Nurburgring but were more concerned that it`d be generally competant.
I can`t remember getting myself in a situation that required a life saving change of direction so I can`t comment on that.
I have over 20 years of experience cheers, I suspect that I`m a little less demanding on my cars than you are on yours. I`ll take that as a complement! I like to drive smoothly rather than wrestle the car.
I`m still learning too, I suggest that the day you think you know it all on the roads is the day you`ll get yourself (and maybe others too) into a tight spot.
I hope you enjoy your extremis driving, I`ll be steering clear of you if that`s OK
I can`t remember getting myself in a situation that required a life saving change of direction so I can`t comment on that.
I have over 20 years of experience cheers, I suspect that I`m a little less demanding on my cars than you are on yours. I`ll take that as a complement! I like to drive smoothly rather than wrestle the car.
I`m still learning too, I suggest that the day you think you know it all on the roads is the day you`ll get yourself (and maybe others too) into a tight spot.
I hope you enjoy your extremis driving, I`ll be steering clear of you if that`s OK
The point is that the PD150 isn't generally competant. I'll admit I do prefer my cars to have some element of entertainment in the driving experience though, something the MKIV lacks. Setting aside then the fact that driven fast the PD150 is a crock of ****e.
Your other comment " can`t remember getting myself in a situation that required a life saving change of direction so I can`t comment on that." is little short of a pathetic attempt at point scoring. Take a scenario where a HGV in front of you suffers a massive blowout and you need to take emergency evasive action. Nothing whatsoever to do with oneself, yet you need a vehicle that it will be possible to steer, without drama, out of harms way. Likewise on a greasy, damp country road a deer comes from nowhere across your path, or you enter a roundabout at a reasonable speed and encounter a diesel spill. On these occasions the 'handling in extremis' is of paramount importance and I'm suggesting that the MKIV isn't a good place to be, even with the ESP switched on.
The only point that I'm in agreement is that we've all got something to learn. It's plainly obvious though from your comments here that 20 years of driving experience hasn't taught you very much. Look at this as your opportunity to take stock and rethink.
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12 December 2006, 08:31 AM
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Or another situation....Torpid steps out infront of you and you don't have the power to speed up.....
Whats up Torpy!
No pm's today??
And try to come out with something other than cripple, cage fighter, bugeye owner and the like....or even, shock horror, maybe post something constructive instead of trolling!
If you're not in the market for a flying/out and out performance machine and you want something to carry the kids....the VW would be fine....
Whats up Torpy!
No pm's today??
And try to come out with something other than cripple, cage fighter, bugeye owner and the like....or even, shock horror, maybe post something constructive instead of trolling!
If you're not in the market for a flying/out and out performance machine and you want something to carry the kids....the VW would be fine....
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12 December 2006, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Torpid
Your other comment " can`t remember getting myself in a situation that required a life saving change of direction so I can`t comment on that." is little short of a pathetic attempt at point scoring.
Anyway, it`s never happened to me (my fault or otherwise) so I can`t comment. Sorry if this statement wound you up, you do appear to have a short fuse.
The 150PD is competant though, if you bought one thinking it`d be anything other than a swift diesel hatchback then more fool you.
My twenty years have taught me plenty thanks, I can usually spot an ****-wipe from hundreds of yards...........
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Originally Posted by Volks
Not point scoring at all, I didn`t even know this was a competition
Anyway, it`s never happened to me (my fault or otherwise) so I can`t comment. Sorry if this statement wound you up, you do appear to have a short fuse.
The 150PD is competant though, if you bought one thinking it`d be anything other than a swift diesel hatchback then more fool you.
My twenty years have taught me plenty thanks, I can usually spot an ****-wipe from hundreds of yards...........
Anyway, it`s never happened to me (my fault or otherwise) so I can`t comment. Sorry if this statement wound you up, you do appear to have a short fuse.
The 150PD is competant though, if you bought one thinking it`d be anything other than a swift diesel hatchback then more fool you.
My twenty years have taught me plenty thanks, I can usually spot an ****-wipe from hundreds of yards...........
The PD150 isn't competant however, not when compared to it's peers or in isolation. It's sub standard at best. As I said it reminds me very much of a MK1 Vectra.
As for spotting *** wipes I suppose an ******* is used to seeing them..............
13 December 2006, 11:56 AM
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And the word is spelt "competent", guys
For what it's worth, I'd trust my Octavia vRS (based on Mk 4 platform) in a potentially dangerous situation - blowout on HGV, etc. I've driven it to the limit at a trackday, so know what it can/cannot do. In normal driving, the car is more capable than the driver
For what it's worth, I'd trust my Octavia vRS (based on Mk 4 platform) in a potentially dangerous situation - blowout on HGV, etc. I've driven it to the limit at a trackday, so know what it can/cannot do. In normal driving, the car is more capable than the driver
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