Tidgy

def do that here, start to bring the law back in charge instead of the hard core crinminals

Brendan Hughes

There's a lot of evidence to show that it's not the size of the sentence that counts, it's the probability of being caught. You need to up the detection and conviction rates, not the sentences. The people who think the sentences should increase usually have no clue about the reality. As stated, there's plenty of death sentences around the world, and those states usually are not crime-free - in fact, the opposite. There's a relationship you want to worry about...

J4CKO

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Wouldn't work over here, behead your average Asbo Chav scumbag and the turd will continue to walk around virtually unimpeeded, plus they would then claim disabled living allowance.

andythejock01wrx

That's about it in a nutshell. It's not a deterrent. Not a bad punishment for murder though and limits the number of reoffenders !

OllyK

Taking the figures for 2005

USA
Population: 296,410,404
Burglaries Committed: 2,154,126
As a percentage of the population = 0.7%

UK
Population: 60,200,000
Burglaries Committed: 426,872
As a percentage of the population = 0.7%

Damn - guess it's about the same as here in the UK, so that's your theory out of the window.

Leslie

If you can't see why I said what I did L P Bang, you must be a bit slow in realising the real effects of hard drug dealing. Modern cannabis is also much stronger these days and causes serious mental problems as well as being on the slippery slope to hard and life endangering drugs.

Having seen what I have so far in this life, I personally would not want to be responsible for manufacturing cigarettes and lying to the public about the dangers there are in smoking. Alcohol also has its dangers as anyone has to admit. Taken in moderation it can however be good for you as well. It is a personal choice how you deal with all that and that is fair enough.

Drug dealers are only to be considered as seriously low life and the way they operate in hooking young people and using them to extend their disgraceful trade entitles them to the very least of consideration in my book.

Of course parents have the responsibility for their children's behaviour, but how many young people get sucked in to drug taking without even good parent's knowledge? Are you 100% certain about your children L P Bang?

Les

OllyK

IMO - you need both, no point have 90% detection rates and then handing out 6 month sentences for murder, people think it may still be worth while. You need high detection rates AND significant sentences to act as a deterrant.

Norman D. Landing

Now come on Les, you can't equate getting a bit of dope for a mate with murdering someone can you ?

Leslie

If you had not noticed N D Landing, I was referring to people who deal in drugs and their practices in hooking people into gross addiction to hard drugs with the subsequent fatal consequences.

Les

Geezer

What about tobacco companies and breweries etc. trying to get young people to smoke and drink?

There's a lot more deaths each year due to those two than illegal drugs.

Personally I don't think drug dealers are any worse, though I admit they are probably thoroughly unpleasant people!

Geezer

gatty

leslie your right on this one . bollox to em if they cant see it there high on drugs themselves!

2000TLondon

There have been 52 executions in the USA this year, 24 of them in Texas.

On Monday night there were 5 seperate shooting incidents in Houston, one resulting in a death.

Obviously corporal and capital punishment do not eradicate crime "overnight"

The causes of crime is the easiest thing to change, rather than the punishment. So poverty, lack of education, poor parenting, drug and mental health care, community improvements etc etc would reduce the crime rates more than introducing the death penalty.

Brendan Hughes

Typical bloody Guardian-reading, raving lefty EU-supporting sandal-wearing lentil munching tree-hugger response. If you don't like it there, why don't you **** off back to where you came from?

2000TLondon

That's actually not what I would call a "typical" response Brendan. A typical response would be to get on the band wagon, rather than try to look at the bigger picture. Prevention is always better than cure! I'm sorry I have intimidated you with a little bit of thought, sparking your reaction!

For example, on average there is one murder a week by someone with mental health problems who has been discharged by local authority into the community under "supervised" care. Do you not think if the government didn't just release these people into the community, and treated them until they were better, or detained them, that we would have 50 less murders each year! Threatening a paranoid schizophrenic with the death penalty doesn't usually stop them going on a rampage, you ignorant fool!

Sorry if that example is a bit too "radical" or left wing for you, I think it's pretty obvious though, mate!

jjones

you are an idiot

Brendan Hughes

<psst 2000T - look above my post>

2000TLondon

Too subtle for me, Brendan! Thanks for stimulating me into a cracking response, though!!

Luan Pra bang

I think Leslie your issue is that your opinions of how the world of drugs works is based on films rather than reality while heroin is almost always bad news cocaine is a fashion statement that people go looking for people don't push drugsthey pretty much sell themselves and most teenagers problems are not avoiding 'pushers' but trying to find people willing to sell to them. London is full of flashy suit wearing prats seling coke to city boys. tossers they may be but not murderers.

Leslie

I speak from the experiences of people I have known who learned about it all the hard way!

Les