Blair says new arrivals must conform to our society
20 December 2006, 09:42 PM
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andy the jock........matie.
simply no muslims as there are now..(generic)
if they wasnt so bloody untidy (eg sparkhill) did not colonise did not make demands did not have make an area into the image of a pakistani town. the list goes on.
if that offends then tuff thats my veiw, nothing you can say about it.
if our traditions, laws , culture was embraced at entering the ports of the uk then we would not be debating this topic now, this is a veiw held by millions.
simply no muslims as there are now..(generic)
if they wasnt so bloody untidy (eg sparkhill) did not colonise did not make demands did not have make an area into the image of a pakistani town. the list goes on.
if that offends then tuff thats my veiw, nothing you can say about it.
if our traditions, laws , culture was embraced at entering the ports of the uk then we would not be debating this topic now, this is a veiw held by millions.
20 December 2006, 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by KiwiGTI
Have to admit I get quite annoyed at the argument that keeps cropping up here saying that there is no such thing as a British person, that they are all from immigrants.
Yes, it may be technically true, but then it's also true for every single person in the world. Everyone is a mongrel.
The only people who would use this argument are those that are seeking to devalue the notion of being British and are no better than the liberals that are trying to destroy the British way of life.
Japan have recently started to re-introduce patriotism lessons in school, perhaps that something that needs to be done in the UK to get a nationalist spirit back in place.
Yes, it may be technically true, but then it's also true for every single person in the world. Everyone is a mongrel.
The only people who would use this argument are those that are seeking to devalue the notion of being British and are no better than the liberals that are trying to destroy the British way of life.
Japan have recently started to re-introduce patriotism lessons in school, perhaps that something that needs to be done in the UK to get a nationalist spirit back in place.
20 December 2006, 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Rannoch
Blaphemist!!
We all know that God made the Earth in seven days and those who tout the theory of evolution are merely servants of Satan sent to test us.
Wash your mouth out wench (and have that shower too - it's Wednesday night)
Rannoch
We all know that God made the Earth in seven days and those who tout the theory of evolution are merely servants of Satan sent to test us.
Wash your mouth out wench (and have that shower too - it's Wednesday night
)Rannoch
20 December 2006, 09:46 PM
#308
Originally Posted by KiwiGTI
Have to admit I get quite annoyed at the argument that keeps cropping up here saying that there is no such thing as a British person, that they are all from immigrants.
Yes, it may be technically true, but then it's also true for every single person in the world. Everyone is a mongrel.
The only people who would use this argument are those that are seeking to devalue the notion of being British and are no better than the liberals that are trying to destroy the British way of life.
Japan have recently started to re-introduce patriotism lessons in school, perhaps that something that needs to be done in the UK to get a nationalist spirit back in place.
Yes, it may be technically true, but then it's also true for every single person in the world. Everyone is a mongrel.
The only people who would use this argument are those that are seeking to devalue the notion of being British and are no better than the liberals that are trying to destroy the British way of life.
Japan have recently started to re-introduce patriotism lessons in school, perhaps that something that needs to be done in the UK to get a nationalist spirit back in place.
Your reasoning is flawed Kiwi. The question of being a British/English person is not the issue. The issue is the qualification to become British/English, at what point is one deemed to be British?
20 December 2006, 09:47 PM
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Vincenzo Coccotti: Sicilians are great liars. The best in the world. I'm Sicilian. My father was the world heavy-weight champion of Sicilian liars. From growing up with him I learned the pantomime. There are seventeen different things a guy can do when he lies to give himself away. A guys got seventeen pantomimes. A woman's got twenty, but a guy's got seventeen... but, if you know them, like you know your own face, they beat lie detectors all to hell. Now, what we got here is a little game of show and tell. You don't wanna show me nothin', but you're tellin me everything. I know you know where they are, so tell me before I do some damage you won't walk away from.
Clifford Worley: You're Sicilian, huh?
Coccotti: Yeah, Sicilian.
Clifford Worley: Ya know, I read a lot. Especially about things... about history. I find that **** fascinating. Here's a fact I don't know whether you know or not. Sicilians were spawned by *******.
Coccotti: Come again?
Clifford Worley: It's a fact. Yeah. You see, uh, Sicilians have, uh, black blood pumpin' through their hearts. Hey, no, if eh, if eh, if you don't believe me, uh, you can look it up. Hundreds and hundreds of years ago, uh, you see, uh, the Moors conquered Sicily. And the Moors are *******.
Coccotti: Yes...
Clifford Worley: So you see, way back then, uh, Sicilians were like, uh, wops from Northern Italy. Ah, they all had blonde hair and blue eyes, but, uh, well, then the Moors moved in there, and uh, well, they changed the whole country. They did so much ****in' with Sicilian women, huh? That they changed the whole bloodline forever. That's why blonde hair and blue eyes became black hair and dark skin. You know, it's absolutely amazing to me to think that to this day, hundreds of years later, that, uh, that Sicilians still carry that ****** gene. Now this...
[Coccotti busts out laughing]
Clifford Worley: No, I'm, no, I'm quoting... history. It's written. It's a fact, it's written.
Coccotti: [Laughing] I love this guy.
Clifford Worley: Your ancestors are *******. Uh-huh.
[Starts laughing, too]
Clifford Worley: Hey. Yeah. And, and your great-great-great-great grandmother ****ed a ******, ho, ho, yeah, and she had a half-****** kid... now, if that's a fact, tell me, am I lying? 'Cause you, you're part eggplant.
Clifford Worley: You're Sicilian, huh?
Coccotti: Yeah, Sicilian.
Clifford Worley: Ya know, I read a lot. Especially about things... about history. I find that **** fascinating. Here's a fact I don't know whether you know or not. Sicilians were spawned by *******.
Coccotti: Come again?
Clifford Worley: It's a fact. Yeah. You see, uh, Sicilians have, uh, black blood pumpin' through their hearts. Hey, no, if eh, if eh, if you don't believe me, uh, you can look it up. Hundreds and hundreds of years ago, uh, you see, uh, the Moors conquered Sicily. And the Moors are *******.
Coccotti: Yes...
Clifford Worley: So you see, way back then, uh, Sicilians were like, uh, wops from Northern Italy. Ah, they all had blonde hair and blue eyes, but, uh, well, then the Moors moved in there, and uh, well, they changed the whole country. They did so much ****in' with Sicilian women, huh? That they changed the whole bloodline forever. That's why blonde hair and blue eyes became black hair and dark skin. You know, it's absolutely amazing to me to think that to this day, hundreds of years later, that, uh, that Sicilians still carry that ****** gene. Now this...
[Coccotti busts out laughing]
Clifford Worley: No, I'm, no, I'm quoting... history. It's written. It's a fact, it's written.
Coccotti: [Laughing] I love this guy.
Clifford Worley: Your ancestors are *******. Uh-huh.
[Starts laughing, too]
Clifford Worley: Hey. Yeah. And, and your great-great-great-great grandmother ****ed a ******, ho, ho, yeah, and she had a half-****** kid... now, if that's a fact, tell me, am I lying? 'Cause you, you're part eggplant.
20 December 2006, 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by AsifScoob
Watched that again the other night, one of my favourite scenes.
Asif
Asif
What a wonderful thing is t'internet.
In fact, I don't know if you know this or not, Sicilians were spawned by *******... It's a fact. Sicilians have ****** blood pumpin' through their hearts. If you don't believe me, look it up. You see, hundreds and hundreds of years ago, the Moors conquered Sicily. And Moors are *******. Way back then, Sicilians were like the wops in northern Italy. Blond hair, blue eyes. But, once the Moors moved in there, they changed the whole country. They did so much f--kin' with the Sicilian women, they changed the blood-line forever, from blonde hair and blue eyes to black hair and dark skin. I find it absolutely amazing to think that to this day, hundreds of years later, Sicilians still carry that ****** gene. I'm just quotin' history. It's a fact. It's written. Your ancestors were *******. Your great, great, great, great, great-grandmother was f--ked by a ******, and had a half-****** kid. That is a fact. Now tell me, am I lyin'?"
20 December 2006, 09:48 PM
#311
Originally Posted by Ben v7
Listen fella, plenty of my family died fighting for this country in the past but as has already been said the country has changed. They didn't die fighting for the society we now have, that I am certain of, so why should I? Things would have to change before I felt the way they did about their country.
I don't run this country - if I did things would be very different
I don't run this country - if I did things would be very different
so why dont you get off your **** and and stop winging about how **** our country is and do something about it. you should try fighting for your country if you want things to change
20 December 2006, 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by gatty
andy the jock........matie.
simply no muslims as there are now..(generic)
if they wasnt so bloody untidy (eg sparkhill) did not colonise did not make demands did not have make an area into the image of a pakistani town. the list goes on.
if that offends then tuff thats my veiw, nothing you can say about it.
if our traditions, laws , culture was embraced at entering the ports of the uk then we would not be debating this topic now, this is a veiw held by millions.
simply no muslims as there are now..(generic)
if they wasnt so bloody untidy (eg sparkhill) did not colonise did not make demands did not have make an area into the image of a pakistani town. the list goes on.
if that offends then tuff thats my veiw, nothing you can say about it.
if our traditions, laws , culture was embraced at entering the ports of the uk then we would not be debating this topic now, this is a veiw held by millions.
There are other brown faces in Sparkhill apart from Muslims.
Just because Ladypool Road or wherever, with its surrounding areas have changed, so what?
There have been other changes too you know? Think of the last two World Wars and the changes they brought about.
Asif
20 December 2006, 09:49 PM
#313
Originally Posted by Rannoch
So, tell us, oh defender of Britishness - what is the source of your moniker here. Just a hint of not quite being British. Or maybe you are just a fruit
20 December 2006, 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Einstein RA
Your reasoning is flawed Kiwi. The question of being a British/English person is not the issue. The issue is the qualification to become British/English, at what point is one deemed to be British?
20 December 2006, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Einstein RA
Your reasoning is flawed Kiwi. The question of being a British/English person is not the issue. The issue is the qualification to become British/English, at what point is one deemed to be British?
20 December 2006, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by KiwiGTI
I have a British family heritage, but you also have to admit by the same arguments on here there is no such thing as Kiwis, Aussies, Pakistanis, Hong Kongese (?) , Singaporean, Belgian, French etc etc
How about we all try being human and expressing some humanity. We all live under the same sky.
20 December 2006, 09:53 PM
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But once again we have double standards which all the immigrants demand.
For example as a white anglo-saxon male I could never call myself Pakistani or Chinese, even if I was born in those countries.
For example as a white anglo-saxon male I could never call myself Pakistani or Chinese, even if I was born in those countries.
20 December 2006, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by KiwiGTI
Have to admit I get quite annoyed at the argument that keeps cropping up here saying that there is no such thing as a British person, that they are all from immigrants.
Yes, it may be technically true, but then it's also true for every single person in the world. Everyone is a mongrel.
The only people who would use this argument are those that are seeking to devalue the notion of being British and are no better than the liberals that are trying to destroy the British way of life.
Japan have recently started to re-introduce patriotism lessons in school, perhaps that something that needs to be done in the UK to get a nationalist spirit back in place.
Yes, it may be technically true, but then it's also true for every single person in the world. Everyone is a mongrel.
The only people who would use this argument are those that are seeking to devalue the notion of being British and are no better than the liberals that are trying to destroy the British way of life.
Japan have recently started to re-introduce patriotism lessons in school, perhaps that something that needs to be done in the UK to get a nationalist spirit back in place.
British people and society have changed so much, why is that not recognised? And what is new today will become the norm and, dare I say it, 'British' tomorrow.
That is a wonderful thing about British culture and how adaptable and absorbing it is.
Where do you draw the line?
Gatty would have you believe that Boudicca and her friends were riding around on chariots until the 1950's, when the first large scale non white immigrants entered the UK. Then and only then did it all go downhill.
Asif
20 December 2006, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by KiwiGTI
I would say when you become a citizen. But also there should be a reasonable amount of effort to integrate and support Britain.
On that point I agree with you wholeheartedly and only a fool would argue against it. Britain has enabled me to have an education, a good job and this opportunity to converse with people on t'internet.
20 December 2006, 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Einstein RA
How about we all try being human and expressing some humanity. We all live under the same sky.
20 December 2006, 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by AsifScoob
Gatty,
There are other brown faces in Sparkhill apart from Muslims.
Just because Ladypool Road or wherever, with its surrounding areas have changed, so what?
There have been other changes too you know? Think of the last two World Wars and the changes they brought about.
Asif
There are other brown faces in Sparkhill apart from Muslims.
Just because Ladypool Road or wherever, with its surrounding areas have changed, so what?
There have been other changes too you know? Think of the last two World Wars and the changes they brought about.
Asif
not many asif, i aint bothered about colour....
i dont expect you to understand asif you or your family dont have as strong roots in this country as i/many others do.
brum has only for the last 50 years been home to muslims not 350+ years to folk like me.
get your big portion off your shoulder
20 December 2006, 09:56 PM
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What needs to be pointed out, is that there are people in this country who will define "Britishness" as a function of not being obviously brown, black or yellow, regardless of HOW many generations of your family have been resident here.
20 December 2006, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by gatty
does it matter where your from? is it not how you fit in to others countries with already established cultures?
That makes perfect sense, but you have already stated, at least twice on this thread, that I can never be a 'Brit', I presume because of my skin colour?
Asif
20 December 2006, 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by AsifScoob
Hold on Gatty!
That makes perfect sense, but you have already stated, at least twice on this thread, that I can never be a 'Brit', I presume because of my skin colour?
Asif
That makes perfect sense, but you have already stated, at least twice on this thread, that I can never be a 'Brit', I presume because of my skin colour?
Asif
boudicca is my great grandma!