Blair says new arrivals must conform to our society
11 December 2006, 12:31 PM
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F1 fan,
Show me where I have blamed them for TG being postponed. You are running out of sensible criticism.
Yes I do blame them for the things I have mentioned and with very good reason. If you don't agree with that you are perfectly entitled to say so but you should also be able to back it up instead of just making NL soundbite type statements.
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Show me where I have blamed them for TG being postponed. You are running out of sensible criticism.
Yes I do blame them for the things I have mentioned and with very good reason. If you don't agree with that you are perfectly entitled to say so but you should also be able to back it up instead of just making NL soundbite type statements.
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11 December 2006, 01:05 PM
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Well to be fair to you that was actually your pal unclebuck, but the point still stands.
Look I am not going to get into further discussion with you over this as I have no intention of spending my life arguing with someone's online persona on a car BBS, but I think if you were to ask most balanced people on here they would agree that the likes of you, ub and a few others seem to delight in spending their time moaning about the government sometimes with good reason and sometimes because you are too prejudiced to see things as anything other than all their fault.
Take this thread for example:
Britons face a lifetime of debt
You and the other usual suspects seem to lay the blame firmly at the door of the government when the only reason someone gets into massive debt is a lack of self dicispline, people got into huge debt in the 80s too and I don't remember Blair being in power then. There are plenty of other examples, but as I said I don't have the time or the inclination to bother seeking them out as what's the point, this is just a BBS in Cyber World and on the scale of things is pretty irrelevant.
Don't get me wrong I am no fan of this goverment, but equally don't feel the need to spend my life repeatedly posting in here about how bad they are and trying to pin the blame for every little thing that goes wrong in my world at their door. Even your little 'making NL soundbite type statements' jibe above just goes to back up what I am saying. A clearer example of prejudice you will not find which brings me back to my original point.
Anyway that's my final word on the subject. Do with it what you will.
Look I am not going to get into further discussion with you over this as I have no intention of spending my life arguing with someone's online persona on a car BBS, but I think if you were to ask most balanced people on here they would agree that the likes of you, ub and a few others seem to delight in spending their time moaning about the government sometimes with good reason and sometimes because you are too prejudiced to see things as anything other than all their fault.
Take this thread for example:
Britons face a lifetime of debt
You and the other usual suspects seem to lay the blame firmly at the door of the government when the only reason someone gets into massive debt is a lack of self dicispline, people got into huge debt in the 80s too and I don't remember Blair being in power then. There are plenty of other examples, but as I said I don't have the time or the inclination to bother seeking them out as what's the point, this is just a BBS in Cyber World and on the scale of things is pretty irrelevant.
Don't get me wrong I am no fan of this goverment, but equally don't feel the need to spend my life repeatedly posting in here about how bad they are and trying to pin the blame for every little thing that goes wrong in my world at their door. Even your little 'making NL soundbite type statements' jibe above just goes to back up what I am saying. A clearer example of prejudice you will not find which brings me back to my original point.
Anyway that's my final word on the subject. Do with it what you will.
11 December 2006, 01:25 PM
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Wonder what you mean by the term "suspects" F1 fan.
Those of us who run this self seeking, lying and hypochritical bunch down do so for very good reasons. We have seen our once great country being dragged down into an immoral and uncaring morass racked with crime of all sorts and we also have seen through their secret agenda which is truly frightening for the future.
You will almost always find that the accusations made against this incompetent organisation are well founded and I for one make no apologies for what I have personally said about it all.
You have of course have already declined any further comments about this and we must draw our own conlusions from that.
Les
Those of us who run this self seeking, lying and hypochritical bunch down do so for very good reasons. We have seen our once great country being dragged down into an immoral and uncaring morass racked with crime of all sorts and we also have seen through their secret agenda which is truly frightening for the future.
You will almost always find that the accusations made against this incompetent organisation are well founded and I for one make no apologies for what I have personally said about it all.
You have of course have already declined any further comments about this and we must draw our own conlusions from that.
Les
11 December 2006, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
You have of course have already declined any further comments about this and we must draw our own conlusions from that.
11 December 2006, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Draw what conclusions you like, I simply have a life outside of the Internet and much better things to do with my time than rack up many thousands of posts on a car BBS.
if you have better things to do, like you say, then why do you keep posting?
11 December 2006, 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Jonno_johnson
About time, im sick of muslims complaing about everything, lets hope Blair does do somthing about it.
Love the way the muslim mp, said Blairs statement was alarming, they do love to complain those muslims.
Love the way the muslim mp, said Blairs statement was alarming, they do love to complain those muslims.
Considering the amount you complain therefore you must be Abu Bleedin' Hamza!
No one complains like the Brits do I'm afraid, its in the blood, like talking about the weather to complete strangers.
Muslims complaining is just a sign of integration, we're becoming like you lot and moaning about everything!
Damned integration!
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11 December 2006, 11:48 PM
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Your core values are the same as mine I'd imagine Asif. However you must admit that many immigrants, say those that have flooded in over the last 5 to maybe 10 years, are not generally inline with society in this country. Speaking in a general sense ofcourse, but saying "were becoming like you lot" would be great if it were actually happening in more than the minority of cases.
11 December 2006, 11:58 PM
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I don't think that immigration is the root problem though. Certainly there are socialisation problems, but there were socialisation problems around immigration after colonial independence in the 1960s. I think that the real problem is nearly thirty years of the "I'm rich and I'm taking it all; **** the rest of you" attitude which characterises both Thatcherism and New Labour. Any sense of civil society and obligation to one's fellow citizen, even the simplest notions of social justice have been sacrificed on the altar of greed. It's little wonder that recent arrivals seem avaricious; it's what Britons have been taught to be for nearly three decades by governments of the rich, by the rich, and for the rich. What chance do working people have under such a system?
12 December 2006, 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by KiwiGTI
I don't think that immigration is the root problem though. Certainly there are socialisation problems, but there were socialisation problems around immigration after colonial independence in the 1960s. I think that the real problem is nearly thirty years of the "I'm rich and I'm taking it all; **** the rest of you" attitude which characterises both Thatcherism and New Labour. Any sense of civil society and obligation to one's fellow citizen, even the simplest notions of social justice have been sacrificed on the altar of greed. It's little wonder that recent arrivals seem avaricious; it's what Britons have been taught to be for nearly three decades by governments of the rich, by the rich, and for the rich. What chance do working people have under such a system?
It's the resentment towards the western way of life and what it stands for that I don't understand. If you have such a problem with it, why locate to such a country? Take with one hand whilst cursing with the other. We also learn't to seperate religion from life in general a long time ago.
Should we be going backwards, dragging them kicking and screaming forwards, or just being more selective about who we invite into the country to begin with?
Australia, American and many other countries have a much more sensible immigration policy than we do and don't seem to be experiencing this kinds of big fundamental integration problems.
12 December 2006, 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Ben v7
Your core values are the same as mine I'd imagine Asif. However you must admit that many immigrants, say those that have flooded in over the last 5 to maybe 10 years, are not generally inline with society in this country. Speaking in a general sense ofcourse, but saying "were becoming like you lot" would be great if it were actually happening in more than the minority of cases.
I don't think its in the minority at all, certainly not from my point of view.
I was at a family gathering this weekend, my Brothers, Sisters, spouses, and children. Even my Brother in Law, who is 'recently' (15 odd years ago) arrived in the UK and a trustee of a Mosque was going to put up Xmas decorations, for his kids. (this might be for another thread but the point is the same nonetheless)
We all speak English to each other, usually better than most English people I know, we sit and put the World to rights, eat and drink, have a good time, then go home.
We don't have council houses, we own our own homes, all pay taxes, are all well educated, don't break the law, don't claim benefits, kids go to top schools and certainly contribute more to this society than we take out of it.
Our parents came from Pakistan/India and have a very strong respect for Britain and what Britain means. I think in some cases too much respect as we are at times, too deferential to certain British people, who perhaps don't deserve it.
My forefathers fought for this country in the British Indian Army and we are all very proud of that.
Did you know that the British Indian Army, at the time of WWII, was the largest volunteer army, EVER created? Look it up. These people did not just do that for a laugh.
And no, I am not in a minority and get hacked off with people constantly suggesting that I am.
Almost every Asian person that I know has this background and that's more than just two people I'll have you know.
Anyway, I have posted on this topic in the past at great length.
As for new immigrants...i'll do that one tomorrow. Off to bed.
Asif
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12 December 2006, 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by KiwiGTI
I don't think that immigration is the root problem though. Certainly there are socialisation problems, but there were socialisation problems around immigration after colonial independence in the 1960s. I think that the real problem is nearly thirty years of the "I'm rich and I'm taking it all; **** the rest of you" attitude which characterises both Thatcherism and New Labour. Any sense of civil society and obligation to one's fellow citizen, even the simplest notions of social justice have been sacrificed on the altar of greed. It's little wonder that recent arrivals seem avaricious; it's what Britons have been taught to be for nearly three decades by governments of the rich, by the rich, and for the rich. What chance do working people have under such a system?
Anyway I really am off to bed!
Asif
12 December 2006, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Draw what conclusions you like, I simply have a life outside of the Internet and much better things to do with my time than rack up many thousands of posts on a car BBS. That is in no way a judgement on how you choose to spend your time btw, just what works for me.
As I said, we can draw our own conclusions.
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12 December 2006, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
I see it all now, its the old "number of posts" green eyes syndrome"!
As I said, we can draw our own conclusions.
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As I said, we can draw our own conclusions.
Les
Is it really so hard for you to understand that there are those of us who don't get a hard on about a high post count on Scoobynet? Not what I would have expected from you to be truthful.
12 December 2006, 04:47 PM
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its all to late the pc brigade have totally killed this country the trouble we have now is the scum generation are breeding so there seedlings go bad they have babies and so on.
i think national service is the best thing we could offer our countrys future, get every single tax dodger, immogrant, muslim, every one who is living in GreatBritain to do there two years. Under strict traditional british christian way.
give back the teachers there right to wallop the kids and hug them when they have done well.
get rid of all the paper work that the coppers have to do when they stop and search or even question(this was forced on the police by muslims as they thought they was being victamized) Let the coppers give you a mild beating when needed, then get another from your old man for getting invlolved with the police.
sorry there are no dads left in the house its all single parents no father figure no dicsapline.
We need stability , we need dads to be dads 100% its hard for single parents i know but if you decide to have kids have them in a stable reationship.its no joke its hard work being a good parent.
I await the softy softy human rights twerps who are brainwashed living in cookoo land to nail me for this reply but do you know what its your fecking lots fault this country is in the state
i think national service is the best thing we could offer our countrys future, get every single tax dodger, immogrant, muslim, every one who is living in GreatBritain to do there two years. Under strict traditional british christian way.
give back the teachers there right to wallop the kids and hug them when they have done well.
get rid of all the paper work that the coppers have to do when they stop and search or even question(this was forced on the police by muslims as they thought they was being victamized) Let the coppers give you a mild beating when needed, then get another from your old man for getting invlolved with the police.
sorry there are no dads left in the house its all single parents no father figure no dicsapline.
We need stability , we need dads to be dads 100% its hard for single parents i know but if you decide to have kids have them in a stable reationship.its no joke its hard work being a good parent.
I await the softy softy human rights twerps who are brainwashed living in cookoo land to nail me for this reply but do you know what its your fecking lots fault this country is in the state
12 December 2006, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by gatty
its all to late the pc brigade have totally killed this country the trouble we have now is the scum generation are breeding so there seedlings go bad they have babies and so on.
i think national service is the best thing we could offer our countrys future, get every single tax dodger, immogrant, muslim, every one who is living in GreatBritain to do there two years. Under strict traditional british christian way.
give back the teachers there right to wallop the kids and hug them when they have done well.
get rid of all the paper work that the coppers have to do when they stop and search or even question(this was forced on the police by muslims as they thought they was being victamized) Let the coppers give you a mild beating when needed, then get another from your old man for getting invlolved with the police.
sorry there are no dads left in the house its all single parents no father figure no dicsapline.
We need stability , we need dads to be dads 100% its hard for single parents i know but if you decide to have kids have them in a stable reationship.its no joke its hard work being a good parent.
I await the softy softy human rights twerps who are brainwashed living in cookoo land to nail me for this reply but do you know what its your fecking lots fault this country is in the state
i think national service is the best thing we could offer our countrys future, get every single tax dodger, immogrant, muslim, every one who is living in GreatBritain to do there two years. Under strict traditional british christian way.
give back the teachers there right to wallop the kids and hug them when they have done well.
get rid of all the paper work that the coppers have to do when they stop and search or even question(this was forced on the police by muslims as they thought they was being victamized) Let the coppers give you a mild beating when needed, then get another from your old man for getting invlolved with the police.
sorry there are no dads left in the house its all single parents no father figure no dicsapline.
We need stability , we need dads to be dads 100% its hard for single parents i know but if you decide to have kids have them in a stable reationship.its no joke its hard work being a good parent.
I await the softy softy human rights twerps who are brainwashed living in cookoo land to nail me for this reply but do you know what its your fecking lots fault this country is in the state
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12 December 2006, 06:00 PM
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Couldn't all these PC folk who seem to cause a lot of tension with their silly rules be classed as ''inciting racial hatered''
Muslims have no problem whatsoever with christmas decorations, but the PC dogooders seem to be portraying them in a bad light
Muslims have no problem whatsoever with christmas decorations, but the PC dogooders seem to be portraying them in a bad light
12 December 2006, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by gatty
you do read my posts then? i am right though aint i .
Yes I do
You do make some valid suggestions and discipline is lacking at all levels. However was it not the black community which suggested it was being unfairly targetted by the police, which led to questions about stop and search National Service is a good idea but would be hard to implement, besides would you trust the layabouts and loose cannons of society with a gun? Single parent's are a big problem, neutering offenders may help! I would scrap welfare for the lazy and malingerers and force people to work for their keep.
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12 December 2006, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Well to be fair to you that was actually your pal unclebuck, but the point still stands.
Therefore, I put it to you that your 'point' is in fact a load of rubbish.
12 December 2006, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Einstein RA
Yes I do You do make some valid suggestions and discipline is lacking at all levels. However was it not the black community which suggested it was being unfairly targetted by the police, which led to questions about stop and search National Service is a good idea but would be hard to implement, besides would you trust the layabouts and loose cannons of society with a gun? Single parent's are a big problem, neutering offenders may help! I would scrap welfare for the lazy and malingerers and force people to work for their keep.
You do make some valid suggestions and discipline is lacking at all levels. However was it not the black community which suggested it was being unfairly targetted by the police, which led to questions about stop and search National Service is a good idea but would be hard to implement, besides would you trust the layabouts and loose cannons of society with a gun? Single parent's are a big problem, neutering offenders may help! I would scrap welfare for the lazy and malingerers and force people to work for their keep.national service does not have to include weapons and the police are bogged down by ethnic demands wich has to be the biggest load of bollox going if the ethnics got the pro rata rate down to average figures maybe they wouldent be singled out so often.
maybe if we forced traditional family ways into the socioty i mean forced then single parents would be a thing of the past(generic).
time for radical and stern policy no more fannying about get to the root of the problem stop trying to treat the problem prevent the problem.
12 December 2006, 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by gatty
so we agree then?
national service does not have to include weapons and the police are bogged down by ethnic demands wich has to be the biggest load of bollox going if the ethnics got the pro rata rate down to average figures maybe they wouldent be singled out so often.
maybe if we forced traditional family ways into the socioty i mean forced then single parents would be a thing of the past(generic).
time for radical and stern policy no more fannying about get to the root of the problem stop trying to treat the problem prevent the problem.
national service does not have to include weapons and the police are bogged down by ethnic demands wich has to be the biggest load of bollox going if the ethnics got the pro rata rate down to average figures maybe they wouldent be singled out so often.
maybe if we forced traditional family ways into the socioty i mean forced then single parents would be a thing of the past(generic).
time for radical and stern policy no more fannying about get to the root of the problem stop trying to treat the problem prevent the problem.
Don't white people call the Police then?
I'd laugh to see what reaction you would get for re-introducing National Service, that would just be from the indigenous population!
Society has itself to blame for its faults, how can you force anything on anyone?
I sense a slight disconnect between you and reality.
12 December 2006, 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
F1,
You mentioned post numbers as part of an attack on me first, and my feelings about that are exactly the same as yours.
Les
You mentioned post numbers as part of an attack on me first, and my feelings about that are exactly the same as yours.
Les
That is in no way a judgement on how you choose to spend your time btw, just what works for me.
12 December 2006, 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by AsifScoob
What ethnic demands are you talking about?
Don't white people call the Police then?
I'd laugh to see what reaction you would get for re-introducing National Service, that would just be from the indigenous population!
Society has itself to blame for its faults, how can you force anything on anyone?
I sense a slight disconnect between you and reality.
Don't white people call the Police then?
I'd laugh to see what reaction you would get for re-introducing National Service, that would just be from the indigenous population!
Society has itself to blame for its faults, how can you force anything on anyone?
I sense a slight disconnect between you and reality.
far from it asif i am English to the core i know what i think is right i aint watered down by ethnic cultures.
this is the whole point i am getting at i want what is fanticy not whats happening now.
i am mearly suggesting what i would like to see MY country my mother land to be .
i never said just the natives to do national service i want to see every tom dick and harry doing it , especially the ethnics install some british values and standards into them so they can start showing My motherland some respect!
12 December 2006, 10:32 PM
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gatty, you might not know it but there are an awful lot of Asians out there who are proud to be British, work very hard and make a huge contribution to the country both economically and culturally. Before you start with boasting about not being 'watered down' by ethnic cultures, I suggest the Asian education ethic might benefit you more than just a little, fella. 
Occasionally your posts make good sense, despite being poorly written, but not this prejudiced drivel though.
Occasionally your posts make good sense, despite being poorly written, but not this prejudiced drivel though.
12 December 2006, 10:52 PM
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on this topic - anyone watching newsnite now-on about how much is spent translating everything into differant languages in this country - if as billy boy blair says they should conform to our society we could save all that money-but while we translate everything for them they dont need to conform do they 
13 December 2006, 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by gatty
far from it asif i am English to the core i know what i think is right i aint watered down by ethnic cultures.
this is the whole point i am getting at i want what is fanticy not whats happening now.
i am mearly suggesting what i would like to see MY country my mother land to be .
i never said just the natives to do national service i want to see every tom dick and harry doing it , especially the ethnics install some british values and standards into them so they can start showing My motherland some respect!
this is the whole point i am getting at i want what is fanticy not whats happening now.
i am mearly suggesting what i would like to see MY country my mother land to be .
i never said just the natives to do national service i want to see every tom dick and harry doing it , especially the ethnics install some british values and standards into them so they can start showing My motherland some respect!
How do you expect foreigners and immigrants to speak English and practice good British values when English people don't even do that themselves?
If you ask me, those immigrants that come here and sponge off the state and are workshy ARE following the fine principle of 'When in Rome...'
Get your own house in order! People in glass houses and all that..
What do you think should happen to English people who "don't speak proppa?" Should they all be shot for treason, as of course they would have no excuse whatsoever for not speaking perfect English, like I do.
As for respect for this country, please read my post #42, shows what "Effniks" like me really think of your 'Motherland'.