DCI Gene Hunt

Live and let live? ............

Israel is already established in Palestine, so it's quite easy to say live and let live if your Jewish.......

It's like Germany invading France then saying "Oh well, lets all live and let live then" ......... I think not

SJ_Skyline

A small edit just to make it better

KiwiGTI

Personally I am against any violence. But I see no peace in the middle east whilst there is a state of Israel.

It will fester or someone will use a nuclear weapon. The Jews should not have exclusivity on the holy lands of so many religions. The state of Israel needs to be disbanded and a coaliton of Christians, Jews, Muslims should rule. They will have to forget their differences, and the Jews will have to lose a lot of wealth, it is the only way forward. Otherwise there will be the a real holocaust.

DCI Gene Hunt

.............. it actually making ze more sense now!

Brendan Hughes

Ladies and Gentlemen (Gentiles?), I give you - the Middle-Eastern State of Greater London

Hoppy

Sadly, I agree with most of what you're saying here, but...

The state of Israel is here, and will not be disbanded. Even if it was, coalition states don't work. Look at Iraq - you think Sunni Muslims and Sh'ite Muslims are going to live side by side and happily ever after? Then you want to add Jews to that mix - it just won't work. Somebody has to be in charge, and the blood will run until they are. (You'll be wanting independence for Scotland and Wales next )

Israel is already highly multi-cultural. 2005 population was 6.9m of which 76% are Jews, 16% Muslims, 2% Christians, 2% Druze (4% others). The population of Israel is relatively stable and content, at least compared to the chaos that surrounds it. The interference comes from outside. For example, in a recent referendum the Muslim population of a village close to a potential new border with Jordan (on the outskirts of Jerusalem) voted overwhelmingly for their village to remain part of Israel, not Jordan.

You say "they will have to forget their differences" but we've been waiting a very long time for that already. And the more meddling we get from outside, be that from the US, Britain, Iran, Syria, Russia, the UN etc etc etc the worse it seems to get

Richard.

Paul3446

Quote from post #1
"Just wanted to say Seasons Greetings to everyone and this is my proof that the only Muslims we hear about are the bad ones !"


I hardly think that the fact that you received a Christmas card from a muslim is going to make the 6 O'clock news, however blowing up innocent people tends to grab a few more headlines!

Perhaps this could be why you only hear about the bad ones?

KiwiGTI

I was meaning to comment that it will obviously never happen. Too much damage has probably been done to people who don't forget grudges. But surely the optimal plan for peace would be to restore the area to pre-Western (and other countries) interference.

PCM

Breath of fresh air.......pro muslim post for once.

I will say one thing and one thing only.
It all boils down to american scum

Anyway back on topic
I wish you all a MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY KNEW YEAR

And a happy Eid

Performance Centre Manchester

Hoppy

Kiwi, I can only agree for your wish for peace, but the main point I was trying to make earlier is that this appears to be a mainly Western/Christian ethic. One dead baby is one too many for us, but it just spurs others on to even worse attrocities. And we are powerless to prevent it.

The evidence from around the world is that other cultures have dramatically different standards to our own. And the more we try to impose our values internationally, the worse the ultimate outcome.

I suppose that in saying 'live and let live' it also means we must accept some (even more) distressing viewing on our TVs in future. Turning a blind eye doesn't come easily either and we must do what we can. Dialogue and diplomacy helps, sometimes, but when it comes to taking up arms we've all lost the plot.

Richard.

DCI Gene Hunt

Or we could just nuke 'em from space, it's the only way to be sure

CrisPDuk

If the root of the problem is Israel supposedly stealing the Palestinians' land and forcing them to be second class citizens, why isn't Iran demanding the extinction of Jordan, Lebanon, Syria and Egypt? They have all inflicted far worse abuses on the palestinian sections of their populations than anything Israel has perpetrated!

The problem is palestinians are the pikeys of the arab world Nobody actually wants them in their country, but they do come in handy when you are trying to demonstrate the evils of the zionist empire

andythejock01wrx

Kiwi, this idea is not at all realistic. Regardless of how unfair people believe the formation of Israel to have been , we cannot turn the clock back 60 years, and neither we should. Are the Jews likely to disband their own nation state ?

Geezer

Why not? The USSR existed for 70 odd years, then was disassembled into many countries. Yugoslavia the same. Czechoslovaia too.

Just because something has been in place a long time doesn't make it right or mean it can't be undone.

Geezer

moses

hoppy as usual spewing evil and lies aboot me and garbage lol
u r truly a snake hidden in a lizards skin


kiwi check this oot, very nice vid


CNN.com Video

Hoppy

What lies? I've accused you of being a Muslim terrorist sympathiser, which you've admitted to often enough.

Do you now deny it?

Richard.

andythejock01wrx

In the cases you mention, the separation was on an ethnic or cultural basis. The large majority of people living in what we now know as Israel are Jewish and, as I said, are unlikely to choose to disband their homeland. Although they may be racially different from one another, in terms of religion they are largely homogenous and that is suffient to bond them as a nation state.

andythejock01wrx

C'mon on all you anti-semens, don't you have any response ?

PCM

As you said in "THERE LAND" so they can do as they plz just like england takes the **** with muslims but, israel is not there land it belongs to the palestinians.


Hoppy i share the same view as moses and so does every moderate muslim

"after a good debate on sn plz feel free to check out my stocklist"where everyone is welcome muslim,christian or jews

Show me the money

Geezer

You are absolutlely right, but the point I was trying to make is that it is not impossible to undo something wrong just because it has been in place for a long time.

Thos countries effectively self-destructed, which Israel will not do, but seeing as they did not create Israel either, it may not be in their hands to get rid of it..........

Geezer

andythejock01wrx

Fair enough. I accept that a country can disintegrate regardless of the fact that it has been in existence for a lengthy period - just look at Europe's map pre and post WW1. What I was getting at with my reference to not being able "to turn the clock back 60 years" was the fact that it is unlikely that we can return to the situation in Palestine (now Israel) as it was at that point.

I think the only viable solution is for Israel to return the land it took during the 1967 war. In doing so, support within the Islamic nations for Hamas and others that seek the complete destruction of Israel may diminish over time.

Andy Mc

Brendan Hughes

andythejock01wrx

Cheers Brendan !