New Labour shutting down our Post Offices now
14 December 2006, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by paul-s
pay for your own 'country/stix' post offices then 
You sound like you think Tony is great too. Just like the retard 'lewis'
sad little fella.... like a tiny lamb to the slaughter...
14 December 2006, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by GC8
Pete isnt a Geordie, he is a Smoggy; thats a poor-mans Geordie!
14 December 2006, 09:30 PM
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I dont think he's great - not by a long way !! I just wonder why people argue about these decisions when its clearly based on the cost/practicality and worthwhile-ness of keeping such places open.
Then again maybe id think different if I used one as a matter of course.
Then again maybe id think different if I used one as a matter of course.
14 December 2006, 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by paul-s
I just wonder why people argue about these decisions when its clearly based on the cost/practicality and worthwhile-ness of keeping such places open. .
14 December 2006, 09:39 PM
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fair enough, maybe your right but nothing can be done aside from getting more annoyed and more dismayed at the country which consequently wont acheive anything. What possible solution is there...??
14 December 2006, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
As it happens I make use of my local post office. Every time I visit it a line of people are waiting to make use of the facilities
Originally Posted by unclebuck
They're not a 'diminishing minority' as you rather insultingly put it (in a typical urban new labour way) but ordinary tax paying citizens.
I'm an ordinary tax paying citizen, and don't see why my taxes should be used to subsidise rural post offices if the people who live there no longer make use of them sufficiently to make them cost effective.
Originally Posted by unclebuck
The obvious agenda here (as always) is the city dwelling urban socialists trying to punish the rural population - whom they despise, verging on hatred - with legislation designed to wipe their lifestyle out.
Do you really (and I mean really) believe this sort of paranoid b******* you constantly type???
Gary.
14 December 2006, 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by GCollier
Well maybe your local post office isn't one of the ones which are not cost effective and hence destined for closure *shrug*.
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But they clearly are a diminishing minority. If enough people made use of their services then they'd be cost effective and stay open.
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I'm an ordinary tax paying citizen, and don't see why my taxes should be used to subsidise rural post offices if the people who live there no longer make use of them sufficiently to make them cost effective.
Originally Posted by GCollier
Ahhh yes, the "hidden agenda". I've spent many a night out with friends in London where we discussed how we despise the rural population and conjured up schemes to punish such people
Originally Posted by GCollier
Do you really (and I mean really) believe this sort of paranoid b******* you constantly type???
14 December 2006, 10:03 PM
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Woah there, I use the post office every day on my way home to send the mail from work, be it parcels or letters. I tax my car online because it's easier. I'll miss the Post Office.
Lewis ( Coffin Dodger, MrRee) wake up smell the coffee your Labour Party are a set of *****! And a set of dodgy ones at that!
Lewis ( Coffin Dodger, MrRee) wake up smell the coffee your Labour Party are a set of *****! And a set of dodgy ones at that!
14 December 2006, 10:09 PM
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I love this - "But they clearly are a diminishing minority. " bleat.
If people wanted to exterminate any other 'minority' as Collier suggests they should with post office customers, they would be branded any number of things - racist, genocidal even ... ?
It's pathetic.
What other diminishing minorities should we wipe out I wonder?
If people wanted to exterminate any other 'minority' as Collier suggests they should with post office customers, they would be branded any number of things - racist, genocidal even ... ?
It's pathetic.
What other diminishing minorities should we wipe out I wonder?
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14 December 2006, 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Abdabz
Certainly in the land of the gods (St Helens) it will make a mockery of this stat...
It isnt Post Offices that Labour should be shutting, its their Own Orrifices...
It isnt Post Offices that Labour should be shutting, its their Own Orrifices...
i still use it when I need to post parcels (ebay etc) and get my jiffy bags etc from there too
She has told me on many occasions that they (her post office) is always under constant threat, some of the local businesses (I mean across the road) no longer use the post office, they travel further to buy their stamps to post their hundreds of letters a week, why? god knows, stamps cost the same wherever you buy them from
Sadly they dont do car tax, as the other post office a few miles away does it, and they didnt deem it necessary two post office so close selling car tax
The owner has tried to sell up several times, but to no joy (its been on the market for at least 5 years)
It was recently fully refurbished but still high up on the closure list
14 December 2006, 10:28 PM
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The ***** on here would want to keep British Leyland open 
I didn't see UncleBuck the ToryTwat bleating and blubbing when the mines shut down!!??
He is an arsehole from the Premiership! The Chelsea of the ScoobyNet Idiots if you like!
I didn't see UncleBuck the ToryTwat bleating and blubbing when the mines shut down!!??
He is an arsehole from the Premiership! The Chelsea of the ScoobyNet Idiots if you like!
14 December 2006, 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
Like your sort would care, eh? Not much chance there...
Originally Posted by unclebuck
Wrong again. There is more to life and life within a society than just what is considered 'cost effective' by middle management types and accountants.
But you seem to completely miss the point as to how markets should actually work. You continually rant about big-brother type control by the state, yet fail to grasp that the reason these post offices are closing is because people are exercising a personal choice not to use them. They look at the goods and services on offer and have decided for themselves that they're simply not worth the money, because they can get what they want more easily or cost effectively elsewhere.
The position you're taking - by claiming that such institutions should be subsidised to the tune of hundreds of £millions of pounds each year of tax payers money - is massively hypocritical.
Originally Posted by unclebuck
Sooner see your taxes go to pay for single mothers' benefits on sink estates and muslim enclaves no doubt?
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14 December 2006, 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by GCollier
But you seem to completely miss the point as to how markets should actually work. You continually rant about big-brother type control by the state, yet fail to grasp that the reason these post offices are closing is because people are exercising a personal choice not to use them. They look at the goods and services on offer and have decided for themselves that they're simply not worth the money, because they can get what they want more easily or cost effectively elsewhere.
The position you're taking - by claiming that such institutions should be subsidised to the tune of hundreds of £millions of pounds each year of tax payers money - is massively hypocritical.
The position you're taking - by claiming that such institutions should be subsidised to the tune of hundreds of £millions of pounds each year of tax payers money - is massively hypocritical.
14 December 2006, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
when the mines shut down!!??
That's really what this is all about is it not? It's all part of the Socialists revenge for what happened in the 1980s. Just like banning hunting with dogs was - it's all part of the same ongoing agenda.
14 December 2006, 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
Answer the excellent posts from GCollier and paul-s!!!!
14 December 2006, 11:22 PM
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Don't know if it's any different these days but when I worked in a P.O. almost all our work was on behalf of another company - car tax on behalf of DVLA, stamps on behalf of Royal Mail, benefits on behalf of DSS etc etc. Out of over 150 different transactions the only one unique to Post Offices was postal orders (and not many people buy them these days). If all those companies can save money by finding other avenues to conduct their business then it contributes to the closure of PO's, it may be easier to tax your car online but then don't complain when you do need to use a Post Office and can't find one.
15 December 2006, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
Look at you all!!
Tell you what? ... how about you all paying an extra £25 on your car tax so that we can keep the Post Offices open?
Sound fair? ................hmmmmmmm, I thought NOT!
You whinge, you whine, you blubber .... but are not prepared to do anything except complain about it! People like that are called ZEROS - take note UncleBuck!
Anyway - UncleBuck I thought you had your sorry **** kicked off here????????
Tell you what? ... how about you all paying an extra £25 on your car tax so that we can keep the Post Offices open?
Sound fair? ................hmmmmmmm, I thought NOT!
You whinge, you whine, you blubber .... but are not prepared to do anything except complain about it!
People like that are called ZEROS - take note UncleBuck!Anyway - UncleBuck I thought you had your sorry **** kicked off here????????
The whole idea of government is to establish and maintain services to improve the life of the people of this country. So far they have done exactly the opposite, we see that the supportive part of our society is disappearing to save the money so that our taxes can be pissed against the wall for the delectation of organisations of one kind or another who do nothing of value to this country but will continue fawning up to your hero with feet of clay!
The elderly are losing out hand over fist in so many ways, of course you are not affected since you tell us that you cop some £120K annually which is strange since you always used to say it was £90K. You never did explain that.
We see our once caring society disappearing fast and it is descending into a morass of selfish immoral depravity and anarchy. The traditional family has been all but destroyed by deliberate NL policies and we can see the frightening results of all that. Life is of no importance to these criminally minded and dangerous people, we see dreadful murders and injuries reported almost daily now and the terrible thing is, it is becoming commonplace.
I suggest that you think a little more carefully before bursting out with one of your unfortunate displays of blind faith in your heros.
Les
15 December 2006, 01:18 PM
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And today I read that once the 2500 post offices have closed down, the government will have mobile vans driving round selling stamps, and giving out pensions etc etc
Along with the local pub selling stamps etc
With all these post offices going to close down, how the hell am I going to send my parcels ?
Along with the local pub selling stamps etc
With all these post offices going to close down, how the hell am I going to send my parcels ?
15 December 2006, 02:32 PM
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The main reason the post offices are unprofitable is due to the way the government went about letting private companies in on the profitable parts of the work.
http://www.ukip.org/ukip_news/gen12.php?t=1&id=2791
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http://www.ukip.org/ukip_news/gen12.php?t=1&id=2791
The government was accused today of covering up the true reason why thousands of British post offices have been, or will be, closed.
In spite of all their explanations, they have not revealed the true reason behind the closures.
"The plain truth is that the scandal of these closures is directly because of a ruling from the European Commission.
UK Independence Party leader Nigel Farage added, "Three years ago, this government signed away the Royal Mail's ability to conduct its own financial affairs."
The deal struck in 2003 allowed the government to provide £150 million a year to the post office, which has been extended by another three years. However, the costs of subsidising the service cost £4 million a week, which means a £58 million deficit every year.
"The three years is up and now we are having to live with the consequences. Yet the government still refuses to admit this is the real reason. Perhaps their explanation got lost in the post?"
Nigel Farage, leader of the UK Independence Party said, "Why should we have to go to Brussels to beg permission to fund a service which is important to so many local communities; especially in rural areas? In spite of Alastair Darling declaring investment of £1.7 billion, he will still have to ask permission from the EU to do this.
"Thanks to the EU, the profitable services have been 'cherry-picked' whilst the small and rural post offices will get cut or axed.
"It's about time we stamped on the power of the European Union if we are going to address the problems facing postal services: they have consistently failed to deliver."
In spite of all their explanations, they have not revealed the true reason behind the closures.
"The plain truth is that the scandal of these closures is directly because of a ruling from the European Commission.
UK Independence Party leader Nigel Farage added, "Three years ago, this government signed away the Royal Mail's ability to conduct its own financial affairs."
The deal struck in 2003 allowed the government to provide £150 million a year to the post office, which has been extended by another three years. However, the costs of subsidising the service cost £4 million a week, which means a £58 million deficit every year.
"The three years is up and now we are having to live with the consequences. Yet the government still refuses to admit this is the real reason. Perhaps their explanation got lost in the post?"
Nigel Farage, leader of the UK Independence Party said, "Why should we have to go to Brussels to beg permission to fund a service which is important to so many local communities; especially in rural areas? In spite of Alastair Darling declaring investment of £1.7 billion, he will still have to ask permission from the EU to do this.
"Thanks to the EU, the profitable services have been 'cherry-picked' whilst the small and rural post offices will get cut or axed.
"It's about time we stamped on the power of the European Union if we are going to address the problems facing postal services: they have consistently failed to deliver."
15 December 2006, 02:52 PM
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The reason that Post Offices are in decline is a succession of policies by this government to strip them of all their work.
This is a wider debate than just the viability of Post Offices, often the PO is attached to the village shop and if the PO goes the shop is no longer viable, so that shuts down as well.
This issue is about the breakdown of rural communities, this government doesn't have a clue about that.
This is a wider debate than just the viability of Post Offices, often the PO is attached to the village shop and if the PO goes the shop is no longer viable, so that shuts down as well.
This issue is about the breakdown of rural communities, this government doesn't have a clue about that.
15 December 2006, 03:16 PM
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I use the PO every week to do bits and pieces. I like it. I would be unhappy if they closed it as coming into the Town Centre is a nightmare for parking etc. And even though it's a huge main PO, it still manages to have massive queues.
I suppose they're closing all the small convenient POs so that we have to pay the congestion charge and extra road pricing when they come into effect in every major town and city in the UK!
I suppose they're closing all the small convenient POs so that we have to pay the congestion charge and extra road pricing when they come into effect in every major town and city in the UK!
15 December 2006, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
That ******* 'Darling' is about to kill off 3000 of our post offices.
Another key part of English life is about to be destroyed by the New Labour socialists. Their steady destruction of our country and society is completely unforgivable. F*ckers.
Another key part of English life is about to be destroyed by the New Labour socialists. Their steady destruction of our country and society is completely unforgivable. F*ckers.
New Labour reduce tax burden by £250m a year
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New Labour responds to increasing unpopularity of Post Offices and saves taxpayers....
Depends which way you look at it
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