I thought fox hunting was banned!!!!
19 December 2006, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Tripple'O G
No-one has mentioned the dogs natural instinct?
For instance, I have two gun dogs....and once they are in the open you can see thats it's in their blood....
I'm sure the hounds used have the instinct to....
For instance, I have two gun dogs....and once they are in the open you can see thats it's in their blood....
I'm sure the hounds used have the instinct to....
Well I have a gun dog as well, I thought they were trained to retreve not kill.
Hounds are sent dog's its the humans that train them to kill.
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Spaniels are trained / bred to flush game for the gun , while Labradors are trained/bred to retrieve game .
Foxhounds are trained /bred to chase and kill foxes .
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Foxhounds are trained /bred to chase and kill foxes .
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Originally Posted by kjdmk1
Well there you go, so you dont need fox hunting to control numbers, just goes to prove fox hunting serves nothing other than to feed sick peoples idea of having fun.
19 December 2006, 08:21 PM
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But that works the other way round. If foxhunting is so inefficient and hardly kills any foxes, then why do you object to it?
19 December 2006, 08:26 PM
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But that works the other way round. If foxhunting is so inefficient and hardly kills any foxes, then why do you object to it?
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Originally Posted by **************
Because even if its only one fox caught in this way its one fox (any animal) too many subjected to a cruel and barbaric death
BOTH sets of people are in the WRONG and as bad as each other.
Yeah, it's barbaric but hardly any foxes are killed in this way. there's plenty more 'barbaric' sports (fishing, dogfighting etc.) that don't have the same degree of opposition (these blood sports are 'working' class one's, this has something to do with it).
Anyway, push comes to shove, I'd be against foxhunting rather than against it but I don't really care, nor do most people. There's FAR more important things for us to be debating or spending MPs time on. Regardless, the debate has fallen into the hands of those that shout the loudest. There's little rational thought about the whole thing from both 'sides'.
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19 December 2006, 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Dracoro
No doubt. However, the fox hunting 'debate' is bourne out by mainly two sets of people. Snobs. The lefty snobs who don't REALLY care that much about foxes but dislike 'toffs' riding round on horses. The other types are the snobs who think it's their god given right to do what the hell they like as it's 'tradition'.
BOTH sets of people are in the WRONG and as bad as each other.
Yeah, it's barbaric but hardly any foxes are killed in this way. there's plenty more 'barbaric' sports (fishing, dogfighting etc.) that don't have the same degree of opposition (these blood sports are 'working' class one's, this has something to do with it).
Anyway, push comes to shove, I'd be against foxhunting rather than against it but I don't really care, nor do most people. There's FAR more important things for us to be debating or spending MPs time on. Regardless, the debate has fallen into the hands of those that shout the loudest. There's little rational thought about the whole thing from both 'sides'.
BOTH sets of people are in the WRONG and as bad as each other.
Yeah, it's barbaric but hardly any foxes are killed in this way. there's plenty more 'barbaric' sports (fishing, dogfighting etc.) that don't have the same degree of opposition (these blood sports are 'working' class one's, this has something to do with it).
Anyway, push comes to shove, I'd be against foxhunting rather than against it but I don't really care, nor do most people. There's FAR more important things for us to be debating or spending MPs time on. Regardless, the debate has fallen into the hands of those that shout the loudest. There's little rational thought about the whole thing from both 'sides'.
I think that "TOFFS AND SNOBS" riding around on horses just about sum's it up.They can ride around in in red jackets all day if they want, I dont care ,but leave the frigging fox alone and join a pony club
19 December 2006, 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Dracoro
No doubt. However, the fox hunting 'debate' is bourne out by mainly two sets of people. Snobs. The lefty snobs who don't REALLY care that much about foxes but dislike 'toffs' riding round on horses. The other types are the snobs who think it's their god given right to do what the hell they like as it's 'tradition'.
BOTH sets of people are in the WRONG and as bad as each other.
Yeah, it's barbaric but hardly any foxes are killed in this way. there's plenty more 'barbaric' sports (fishing, dogfighting etc.) that don't have the same degree of opposition (these blood sports are 'working' class one's, this has something to do with it).
Anyway, push comes to shove, I'd be against foxhunting rather than against it but I don't really care, nor do most people. There's FAR more important things for us to be debating or spending MPs time on. Regardless, the debate has fallen into the hands of those that shout the loudest. There's little rational thought about the whole thing from both 'sides'.
BOTH sets of people are in the WRONG and as bad as each other.
Yeah, it's barbaric but hardly any foxes are killed in this way. there's plenty more 'barbaric' sports (fishing, dogfighting etc.) that don't have the same degree of opposition (these blood sports are 'working' class one's, this has something to do with it).
Anyway, push comes to shove, I'd be against foxhunting rather than against it but I don't really care, nor do most people. There's FAR more important things for us to be debating or spending MPs time on. Regardless, the debate has fallen into the hands of those that shout the loudest. There's little rational thought about the whole thing from both 'sides'.
You'd be against it rather than against it?
As for your other two examples of bloodsports, one was outlawed years ago and the other hardly compares to fox hunting does it? Quick pass me the cuff links I'm about to cast the line!
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19 December 2006, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by kjdmk1
I think that "TOFFS AND SNOBS" riding around on horses just about sum's it up.They can ride around in in red jackets all day if they want, I dont care ,but leave the frigging fox alone and join a pony club
Anyway, I agree that it should be banned, however the amount of taxpayers money, MP's time and so on that it has been given is completely disproportionate. Dig fighting still happens but I see no outcry about that, which is just as wrong.
AAANNDD, after ALL that parliamentary time and money, they still leave loopholes and don't police the law. A complete farce from beginning to end. There's very good reason for this, the govt. and police never had any intention of policing the law, it was forced through to appease the left wing of the Labour party disgruntled about the rest of the policies of the not so left wing 'new' labour party
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19 December 2006, 09:11 PM
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Many people are stupid though. I've seen anti-hunt protestors at mock hunts. They're that stupid, really and don't listen.
Anyway, I agree that it should be banned, however the amount of taxpayers money, MP's time and so on that it has been given is completely disproportionate. Dig fighting still happens but I see no outcry about that, which is just as wrong.
AAANNDD, after ALL that parliamentary time and money, they still leave loopholes and don't police the law. A complete farce from beginning to end. There's very good reason for this, the govt. and police never had any intention of policing the law, it was forced through to appease the left wing of the Labour party disgruntled about the rest of the policies of the not so left wing 'new' labour party
Anyway, I agree that it should be banned, however the amount of taxpayers money, MP's time and so on that it has been given is completely disproportionate. Dig fighting still happens but I see no outcry about that, which is just as wrong.
AAANNDD, after ALL that parliamentary time and money, they still leave loopholes and don't police the law. A complete farce from beginning to end. There's very good reason for this, the govt. and police never had any intention of policing the law, it was forced through to appease the left wing of the Labour party disgruntled about the rest of the policies of the not so left wing 'new' labour party
The mock hunt is often a red herring to draw the protesters away from the real hunt.
19 December 2006, 11:32 PM
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anyway i thought they were allowed to 'hunt' aslong as they had some way of killing the fox before the dogs got it ?? the local hunt here bought a golden eagle to do the job 
hehe
anyway i think they might just change over from hunting foxes to immigrants and chavs soon, dont think theres a law against that, and im sure most folk would vote for it
heheanyway i think they might just change over from hunting foxes to immigrants and chavs soon, dont think theres a law against that, and im sure most folk would vote for it
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dracoro
you have some very valid points
all you against it,
ask yourself if its the cruelest thing happening to animals in this country
i think the cruelest thing done to animals is usually done to pets , no doubt
anyone not agreeing , open your eyes
then you dog breeders, how much cruelty here
what about chicken farms , you eat it though
lets look at it this way , all those pets weren't running around in the wild living a nice free life, were its kill or be killed, ( you must have wildlife tv with 4 lions ripping an elephant to peices) , so the fox is under no illusions, this is the life he lives!!
this law was forced through by the socialist left, the fox was a side issue, they were after toffs riding round on horses shouting tally hoe
now there after them again , this time its the chelsea tractor there targeting under the enviroment banner
there is a dog kennels in manchester called "dogs r us"
what does that say
they are advertising in the M E N, puppy's for christmas with 6month garrantee its an animal for ***** sake, not a fookin microwave
were are all you campaners now, get your ars round there asap and stop some real cruelty every day under the pets banner,
my wife has got a parcel of food together from donations at work for manchester dogs home(another must for you campaners!!!!) all of you could do the same , just ask everyone for a tin of dogfood or a chew, it all helps
you have some very valid points
all you against it,
ask yourself if its the cruelest thing happening to animals in this country
i think the cruelest thing done to animals is usually done to pets , no doubt
anyone not agreeing , open your eyes then you dog breeders, how much cruelty here
what about chicken farms
, you eat it though lets look at it this way , all those pets weren't running around in the wild living a nice free life, were its kill or be killed, ( you must have wildlife tv with 4 lions ripping an elephant to peices) , so the fox is under no illusions, this is the life he lives!!
this law was forced through by the socialist left, the fox was a side issue, they were after toffs riding round on horses shouting tally hoe
now there after them again , this time its the chelsea tractor there targeting under the enviroment banner
there is a dog kennels in manchester called "dogs r us"
what does that say
they are advertising in the M E N, puppy's for christmas with 6month garrantee
its an animal for ***** sake, not a fookin microwave were are all you campaners now, get your ars round there asap and stop some real cruelty every day under the pets banner,
my wife has got a parcel of food together from donations at work for manchester dogs home(another must for you campaners!!!!) all of you could do the same , just ask everyone for a tin of dogfood or a chew, it all helps
20 December 2006, 09:33 AM
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The hunting horse is smarter than the average horse
Our local hunt never caught anything. The adults that took part got roaring drunk before charging off across the fields and promptly falling off at the first fence. Apparently the only people left in the saddle after the second fence were the pony club kids as they were the only ones sober!
Our local hunt never caught anything. The adults that took part got roaring drunk before charging off across the fields and promptly falling off at the first fence. Apparently the only people left in the saddle after the second fence were the pony club kids as they were the only ones sober!
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Originally Posted by 51st state
dracoro
you have some very valid points
all you against it,
ask yourself if its the cruelest thing happening to animals in this country
i think the cruelest thing done to animals is usually done to pets , no doubt anyone not agreeing , open your eyes
then you dog breeders, how much cruelty here
what about chicken farms , you eat it though
lets look at it this way , all those pets weren't running around in the wild living a nice free life, were its kill or be killed, ( you must have wildlife tv with 4 lions ripping an elephant to peices) , so the fox is under no illusions, this is the life he lives!!
this law was forced through by the socialist left, the fox was a side issue, they were after toffs riding round on horses shouting tally hoe
now there after them again , this time its the chelsea tractor there targeting under the enviroment banner
there is a dog kennels in manchester called "dogs r us"
what does that say
they are advertising in the M E N, puppy's for christmas with 6month garrantee its an animal for ***** sake, not a fookin microwave
were are all you campaners now, get your ars round there asap and stop some real cruelty every day under the pets banner,
my wife has got a parcel of food together from donations at work for manchester dogs home(another must for you campaners!!!!) all of you could do the same , just ask everyone for a tin of dogfood or a chew, it all helps
you have some very valid points
all you against it,
ask yourself if its the cruelest thing happening to animals in this country
i think the cruelest thing done to animals is usually done to pets , no doubt
anyone not agreeing , open your eyes then you dog breeders, how much cruelty here
what about chicken farms
, you eat it though lets look at it this way , all those pets weren't running around in the wild living a nice free life, were its kill or be killed, ( you must have wildlife tv with 4 lions ripping an elephant to peices) , so the fox is under no illusions, this is the life he lives!!
this law was forced through by the socialist left, the fox was a side issue, they were after toffs riding round on horses shouting tally hoe
now there after them again , this time its the chelsea tractor there targeting under the enviroment banner
there is a dog kennels in manchester called "dogs r us"
what does that say
they are advertising in the M E N, puppy's for christmas with 6month garrantee
its an animal for ***** sake, not a fookin microwave were are all you campaners now, get your ars round there asap and stop some real cruelty every day under the pets banner,
my wife has got a parcel of food together from donations at work for manchester dogs home(another must for you campaners!!!!) all of you could do the same , just ask everyone for a tin of dogfood or a chew, it all helps
20 December 2006, 11:33 AM
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Whatever your feelings about hunting with dogs, and I don't like the idea of an animal being killed in that way, the inverted snobbery about toffs etc. is a fallacious and ineffectual argument since just as many working class people are associated wiith hunting as the so called upper classes. Unless you are a fan of Fatty Two ***** that is!
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If you look at the history of the hunt, land owners would call them in to track the fox down that was stealing hens, etc. This fox would normally be old, ill, or about to die.
The reason the hunt is what it is, is to weed out the fox that is old, ill, or about to die, as it may also carry disease, and hense pass that to the other livestock.
If you've not guessed i am pro-hunt, for a number of reasons, and i see it as an infringement of civil libertes.
If people remember it took so many failed attempts to get the ban in, that there was also talk of locking pro hunt MP's/lords out of the house of commons on the day of the last vote, that the ban came into force, which in itself is farcicle.
The thing that really annoys me is people voicing thier distaste/distaine, on a subject they know nothing about, and have formed an opinion from incorrect information, and knowledge, which just further throws the UK into a politically correct state where you can do nothing of your own free will.
The reason the hunt is what it is, is to weed out the fox that is old, ill, or about to die, as it may also carry disease, and hense pass that to the other livestock.
If you've not guessed i am pro-hunt, for a number of reasons, and i see it as an infringement of civil libertes.
If people remember it took so many failed attempts to get the ban in, that there was also talk of locking pro hunt MP's/lords out of the house of commons on the day of the last vote, that the ban came into force, which in itself is farcicle.
The thing that really annoys me is people voicing thier distaste/distaine, on a subject they know nothing about, and have formed an opinion from incorrect information, and knowledge, which just further throws the UK into a politically correct state where you can do nothing of your own free will.
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Labour...Kings of comedy legislation.
Ban fox hunting
Allow 24 hour drinking
Ban a *** in the pub
Get everyone gambling crazy with casinos everywhere.
Lets be moral,lets not.Lets be moral,lets not and so on.
Can't believe people even bother debating the fox hunt stuff
Ban fox hunting
Allow 24 hour drinking
Ban a *** in the pub
Get everyone gambling crazy with casinos everywhere.
Lets be moral,lets not.Lets be moral,lets not and so on.
Can't believe people even bother debating the fox hunt stuff
20 December 2006, 12:27 PM
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Labour...Kings of comedy legislation.
Ban fox hunting
Allow 24 hour drinking
Ban a *** in the pub
Get everyone gambling crazy with casinos everywhere.
Lets be moral,lets not.Lets be moral,lets not and so on.
Ban fox hunting
Allow 24 hour drinking
Ban a *** in the pub
Get everyone gambling crazy with casinos everywhere.
Lets be moral,lets not.Lets be moral,lets not and so on.
20 December 2006, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by lozgti
Labour...Kings of comedy legislation.
Ban fox hunting
Allow 24 hour drinking
Ban a *** in the pub
Get everyone gambling crazy with casinos everywhere.
Lets be moral,lets not.Lets be moral,lets not and so on.
Can't believe people even bother debating the fox hunt stuff
Ban fox hunting
Allow 24 hour drinking
Ban a *** in the pub
Get everyone gambling crazy with casinos everywhere.
Lets be moral,lets not.Lets be moral,lets not and so on.
Can't believe people even bother debating the fox hunt stuff
20 December 2006, 01:37 PM
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If you look at the history of the hunt, land owners would call them in to track the fox down that was stealing hens, etc. This fox would normally be old, ill, or about to die.
The reason the hunt is what it is, is to weed out the fox that is old, ill, or about to die, as it may also carry disease, and hense pass that to the other livestock.
If you've not guessed i am pro-hunt, for a number of reasons, and i see it as an infringement of civil libertes.
If people remember it took so many failed attempts to get the ban in, that there was also talk of locking pro hunt MP's/lords out of the house of commons on the day of the last vote, that the ban came into force, which in itself is farcicle.
The thing that really annoys me is people voicing thier distaste/distaine, on a subject they know nothing about, and have formed an opinion from incorrect information, and knowledge, which just further throws the UK into a politically correct state where you can do nothing of your own free will.
The reason the hunt is what it is, is to weed out the fox that is old, ill, or about to die, as it may also carry disease, and hense pass that to the other livestock.
If you've not guessed i am pro-hunt, for a number of reasons, and i see it as an infringement of civil libertes.
If people remember it took so many failed attempts to get the ban in, that there was also talk of locking pro hunt MP's/lords out of the house of commons on the day of the last vote, that the ban came into force, which in itself is farcicle.
The thing that really annoys me is people voicing thier distaste/distaine, on a subject they know nothing about, and have formed an opinion from incorrect information, and knowledge, which just further throws the UK into a politically correct state where you can do nothing of your own free will.
You say its supposed to weed out sick/old animals. Why is it then that foxes that make it to ground still get dug out and thrown to the hounds? They were fit enough to evade being caught yet you still think these are old or sick? Pull the other one!
20 December 2006, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by **************
Why is it then that foxes that make it to ground still get dug out and thrown to the hounds? They were fit enough to evade being caught yet you still think these are old or sick? Pull the other one!
But if the fox has been half caught, and then gone into a hole, is it not the duty of the huntsman to get that fox and shoot it there and then, or leave it to die in agony from blood loss?
If the animal is partially injured, i.e. it has to steal its food from a farm, the whole issue comes back around.
Its kind of like saying, some car drivers, drive like *****, therfore all car driving should be banned?
Or some people are gay, and have gay sex, so should it not be banned? No as then the civil rights movement occurs, etc, etc.
The two examples are not imflamitory, just points of fact.
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Few pics of a hunt from the next village from me , taken last boxing day , it was the first one I had actually seen in the flesh and got a feeling it was more of a social gathering than a blood thirsty sport , I was told they hardly ever catch a fox and they just enjoy the thrill of the chase , plus it keeps the horses and dogs very fit , The foxhounds are just amazing , not an inch of fat anywhere and solid muscle , very good temperament as well and the Master of the Hunt knew each one very well . It was a real eye opener and I for one would be sad to see this lost forever .
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That is wrong, and i've got no issue saying it.
But if the fox has been half caught, and then gone into a hole, is it not the duty of the huntsman to get that fox and shoot it there and then, or leave it to die in agony from blood loss?
If the animal is partially injured, i.e. it has to steal its food from a farm, the whole issue comes back around.
Its kind of like saying, some car drivers, drive like *****, therfore all car driving should be banned?
Or some people are gay, and have gay sex, so should it not be banned? No as then the civil rights movement occurs, etc, etc.
The two examples are not imflamitory, just points of fact.
But if the fox has been half caught, and then gone into a hole, is it not the duty of the huntsman to get that fox and shoot it there and then, or leave it to die in agony from blood loss?
If the animal is partially injured, i.e. it has to steal its food from a farm, the whole issue comes back around.
Its kind of like saying, some car drivers, drive like *****, therfore all car driving should be banned?
Or some people are gay, and have gay sex, so should it not be banned? No as then the civil rights movement occurs, etc, etc.
The two examples are not imflamitory, just points of fact.
I don't believe you can and so your statement of I am wrong just doesn't hold any credibility i'm afraid.
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So you can speak on behalf of every UK hunt can you? You can guarantee that not one hunt in the UK has ever dug out a healthy fox and killed it either by shooting it or throwing it to the dogs?
I don't believe you can and so your statement of I am wrong just doesn't hold any credibility i'm afraid.
I don't believe you can and so your statement of I am wrong just doesn't hold any credibility i'm afraid.
But when it does happen i think you'll find it was isolated incidents, unless you have any evidence to proove otherwise, if you do, maybe you should've given to the inquiry?.
Its a funny thing really, i can't prove i'm right, and you can't prove your right.
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Originally Posted by 51st state
dracoro
you have some very valid points
all you against it,
ask yourself if its the cruelest thing happening to animals in this country
i think the cruelest thing done to animals is usually done to pets , no doubt anyone not agreeing , open your eyes
then you dog breeders, how much cruelty here
what about chicken farms , you eat it though
lets look at it this way , all those pets weren't running around in the wild living a nice free life, were its kill or be killed, ( you must have wildlife tv with 4 lions ripping an elephant to peices) , so the fox is under no illusions, this is the life he lives!!
this law was forced through by the socialist left, the fox was a side issue, they were after toffs riding round on horses shouting tally hoe
now there after them again , this time its the chelsea tractor there targeting under the enviroment banner
there is a dog kennels in manchester called "dogs r us"
what does that say
they are advertising in the M E N, puppy's for christmas with 6month garrantee its an animal for ***** sake, not a fookin microwave
were are all you campaners now, get your ars round there asap and stop some real cruelty every day under the pets banner,
my wife has got a parcel of food together from donations at work for manchester dogs home(another must for you campaners!!!!) all of you could do the same , just ask everyone for a tin of dogfood or a chew, it all helps
you have some very valid points
all you against it,
ask yourself if its the cruelest thing happening to animals in this country
i think the cruelest thing done to animals is usually done to pets , no doubt
anyone not agreeing , open your eyes then you dog breeders, how much cruelty here
what about chicken farms
, you eat it though lets look at it this way , all those pets weren't running around in the wild living a nice free life, were its kill or be killed, ( you must have wildlife tv with 4 lions ripping an elephant to peices) , so the fox is under no illusions, this is the life he lives!!
this law was forced through by the socialist left, the fox was a side issue, they were after toffs riding round on horses shouting tally hoe
now there after them again , this time its the chelsea tractor there targeting under the enviroment banner
there is a dog kennels in manchester called "dogs r us"
what does that say
they are advertising in the M E N, puppy's for christmas with 6month garrantee
its an animal for ***** sake, not a fookin microwave were are all you campaners now, get your ars round there asap and stop some real cruelty every day under the pets banner,
my wife has got a parcel of food together from donations at work for manchester dogs home(another must for you campaners!!!!) all of you could do the same , just ask everyone for a tin of dogfood or a chew, it all helps
All you jumped up middle class prats get so mad about a fox and yet how mad do you get when the mass cruelty to domestic animals is going on under your very noses...dont even blink an eyelid
it gets peoples backs up seeing the 'toffs' riding around blowing the horn and sipping sherry and port....thats all it is
if you want to start going on about banning fox hunting why not petition to ban people who cant look after dogs.......the dog will lead a miserable existence for 15 years
makes me laugh...channel your animal rights campaign into the dogs treated like **** who get a fagged stubbed out on their back everyday or the puppies that get relentlessly kicked if they accidentally **** in the house
Lord Shrek.......anti-fox hunting my @rse
20 December 2006, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Lord Shrek
I think this post sums it up
All you jumped up middle class prats get so mad about a fox and yet how mad do you get when the mass cruelty to domestic animals is going on under your very noses...dont even blink an eyelid
it gets peoples backs up seeing the 'toffs' riding around blowing the horn and sipping sherry and port....thats all it is
if you want to start going on about banning fox hunting why not petition to ban people who cant look after dogs.......the dog will lead a miserable existence for 15 years
makes me laugh...channel your animal rights campaign into the dogs treated like **** who get a fagged stubbed out on their back everyday or the puppies that get relentlessly kicked if they accidentally **** in the house
Lord Shrek.......anti-fox hunting my @rse
All you jumped up middle class prats get so mad about a fox and yet how mad do you get when the mass cruelty to domestic animals is going on under your very noses...dont even blink an eyelid
it gets peoples backs up seeing the 'toffs' riding around blowing the horn and sipping sherry and port....thats all it is
if you want to start going on about banning fox hunting why not petition to ban people who cant look after dogs.......the dog will lead a miserable existence for 15 years
makes me laugh...channel your animal rights campaign into the dogs treated like **** who get a fagged stubbed out on their back everyday or the puppies that get relentlessly kicked if they accidentally **** in the house
Lord Shrek.......anti-fox hunting my @rse
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