mike1210

what ISP are you using and is the connection speed an up to 8 meg service

stevey

iTrader: (2)

aol 2 meg as thats the most my line will give, just done a test on speedtest and it's giving me download 1877kbps, upload 231kbps and a ping of 61ms not sure what this translates to though

stevey

iTrader: (2)

also on wireless with a 54mbits/sec router would this improve with a 128 version

mike1210

No I doubt it very much, 54 meg is fine. I assume you are on the gold package for AOL. The ping does seem high but what speedtest are you using to get that result.

ping the following webistes

start > run > cmd

then type

ping BBC - bbc.co.uk homepage - Home of the BBC on the Internet

try Jolt.co.uk - Online Gaming - Clan Server Rental as well

see what you get

DemonDave

iTrader: (13)

to the original question - been with bethere for just over a month and no compliants - was getting 5/6mb from adsl max - now seeing 8mb with peaks for 10mb with bethere - A lot more stable as well. so far 9 out 10 - no issues recommending them.

stevey

iTrader: (2)

if i ping the bbc i get an average of 91ms

stevey

iTrader: (2)

yet if i ping jolt i get an average of 23ms

mike1210

thats less than me

that would suggest either wonky routing or you were downloading at the time you ran the pingtest??

nowt you can do about the routing im afraid

stevey

iTrader: (2)

deffo not downloading why the big difference between the 2 though

mike1210

possible the route the data takes to the bbc and get back again is a little long winded, I remember a while back, routes to the BBC on AOL used to go via New York, and that was people in the UK accessing the BBC website. I can't really recommend AOL as an ISP to be honest, but if you are happy with them then appy days

pimmo2000

iTrader: (6)

tell him to trace route the ping

mike1210

cool

start > run >cmd

type

tracert BBC - bbc.co.uk homepage - Home of the BBC on the Internet

tracert Jolt.co.uk - Online Gaming - Clan Server Rental

click on the small black c:\ on the top left of the cmd screen

select edit then select all then copy and then paste the results onto here

stevey

iTrader: (2)

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\all>tracert Jolt.co.uk

Tracing route to Jolt.co.uk [82.133.85.65]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 88 ms 76 ms 99 ms speedtouch.lan [192.168.1.254]
2 22 ms 21 ms 21 ms rt-lostc04.dial.aol.com [195.93.23.68]
3 22 ms * 21 ms iptfarmlc-los-ve3.proxy.aol.com [195.93.17.94]
4 22 ms 21 ms 22 ms accessl2-los-ae2.router.aol.com [172.17.169.44]

5 22 ms 22 ms 22 ms accessl1-los-S1-3-0.net.aol.com [195.93.31.32]
6 22 ms 22 ms 23 ms pop1-loh-S1-2-0.atdn.net [66.185.143.193]
7 24 ms 22 ms 23 ms bb2-loh-S1-0-0.atdn.net [66.185.136.238]
8 22 ms 23 ms 21 ms pop2-loh-S1-1-0.atdn.net [66.185.136.251]
9 22 ms 21 ms 22 ms ldn-b2-link.telia.net [213.248.75.185]
10 22 ms 22 ms 23 ms ldn-tch-i1-link.telia.net [80.91.249.162]
11 22 ms 22 ms 22 ms ldn-b1-geth4-0.telia.net [213.248.100.217]
12 22 ms 23 ms 23 ms pipex-104706-ldn-b1.c.telia.net [213.248.100.42]

13 23 ms 23 ms 23 ms ae0-0.cr02.gs1.dsl.pipex.net [62.241.161.210]
14 23 ms 23 ms 23 ms pc9.cr05.tn5.bb.pipex.net [62.72.137.13]
15 22 ms 23 ms 23 ms g2-48-5.er01.tn5.bb.pipex.net [62.72.140.14]
16 24 ms 22 ms 23 ms ge-0-0-0-3801.jolt-gw.cust.pipex.net [212.241.24
1.14]
17 24 ms 23 ms 23 ms secure.jolt.co.uk [82.133.85.65]

Trace complete.

C:\Documents and Settings\all>tracert Jolt.co.uk tracert Jolt.co.uk

stevey

iTrader: (2)

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.


C:\Documents and Settings\all>tracert bbc.co.uk

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 50 ms 99 ms 99 ms speedtouch.lan [192.168.1.254]
2 23 ms 22 ms 21 ms rt-lostc04.dial.aol.com [195.93.23.68]
3 * * * Request timed out.
4 21 ms 23 ms 21 ms accessl1-los-ae2.router.aol.com [172.17.169.43]

5 22 ms 22 ms 24 ms pop1-loh-S2-1-0.atdn.net [66.185.146.65]
6 22 ms 22 ms 23 ms sl-gw23-lon-12-0.sprintlink.net [213.206.157.153
]
7 23 ms 23 ms 23 ms sl-bb22-lon-8-0.sprintlink.net [213.206.128.60]

8 92 ms 92 ms 92 ms sl-bb20-nyc-2-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.9.163]
9 92 ms 92 ms 93 ms sl-gw9-nyc-8-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.7.94]
10 89 ms 89 ms 89 ms sl-bbcte-1-0.sprintlink.net [160.81.111.198]
11 89 ms 89 ms 89 ms rt0-POS3-0.111ny.bbc.co.uk [212.58.255.33]
12 158 ms 158 ms 159 ms 212.58.255.214
13 159 ms 159 ms 159 ms pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
14 93 ms 92 ms 92 ms virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

Trace complete.

C:\Documents and Settings\all>

stevey

iTrader: (2)

is that what you mean

mike1210

yes indeed, OK every point there is a router, routers direct traffic around the net, think of a traffic policeman directing traffic, same thing......well in a way

now look at this point on the bbc trace


6 22 ms 22 ms 23 ms sl-gw23-lon-12-0.sprintlink.net [213.206.157.153
]
7 23 ms 23 ms 23 ms sl-bb22-lon-8-0.sprintlink.net [213.206.128.60]

by here (the point below) it hops to America, then after that goes back to the UK

Whois IP 144.232.9.163 [2006-12-27]

see here for that IP address

8 92 ms 92 ms 92 ms sl-bb20-nyc-2-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.9.163]
9 92 ms 92 ms 93 ms sl-gw9-nyc-8-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.7.94]



for low pings pings it really needs to take a better route, it goes from 23ms to 92ms and thats why, it's going over such a long distance

It's like driving a car. To get to London from Cardiff you wouldn't go via France would you????

now lets look at one on the Zen ISP

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\mike>tracert bbc.co.uk

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1
2 27 ms 29 ms 25 ms gadamer-dsl.zen.net.uk [62.3.83.3]
3 26 ms 26 ms 26 ms erazmus-ge-0-0-1-1.wh.zen.net.uk [62.3.80.193]
4 35 ms 36 ms 36 ms lorenz-so-0-1-0-0.te.zen.net.uk [62.3.80.45]
5 33 ms 33 ms 33 ms 82.71.254.134
6 33 ms 32 ms 33 ms 212.58.238.153
7 33 ms 36 ms 32 ms 212.58.238.33
8 33 ms 34 ms 35 ms pos6-0.rt0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.30]
9 34 ms 33 ms 32 ms virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

Trace complete.

how more efficient is that route, very im sure you'll agree, nothing really you can do about this apart from go to another ISP

stevey

iTrader: (2)

oh well guess i'll just put up with it then, daughter likes aol too much to take it away from her now

stevey

iTrader: (2)

how come both my number 1's are in the 90's yet yours is only 1

mike1210

the first hop is your home router, thats quite high to be honest, with a 54 meg wireless card the ping should still be around the 1ms mark

im connected via ethernet cable which is far quicker and better than wireless in every single aspect

stevey

iTrader: (2)

trouble i have though is it means trailing a lead around the house to the pc and my little one thinks it's great to run of with that and everything attached to it

mike1210

Broadbandbuyer.co.uk | HomePlug AV

could be worth a read, but if it runs fine as it is then.....

stevey

iTrader: (2)

what am i ment to be looking at on that page lol

mike1210

it's basically ethernet (using normal network cable) through the plugs in your house, the page gives some adapters and the like

stevey

iTrader: (2)

thought that was it but, best to be sure lol

boxst

So .... what are the conclusions on "Be"?

Crowborough (where I live) went live over the weekend and I'm tempted ...

Steve

mike1210

Steve IIRC you are on Zen????

I've heard mixed things about Be, how far away from the exchange are you and what is your loop attenuation, should give an indication on if it would be worth switching. Great price though for the speed

DSL ZoneUK - How fast can I get on ADSL2+?

thinkbroadband: The UK's largest independent ADSL review site - Your guide to UK broadband Internet.

worth a look at the compare

coulty

Ok so who can tell me why mine is so slow!!!!!

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\stuartr>tracert bbc.co.uk

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 44 ms 45 ms 44 ms dr0.thlon.uk.easynet.net [82.108.0.75]
3 49 ms 45 ms 45 ms ip-89-200-130-27.ov.easynet.net [89.200.130.27]
4 48 ms 46 ms 47 ms ip-89-200-132-122.ov.easynet.net [89.200.132.122]
5 45 ms 46 ms 44 ms ge1-1-0.er3.thlon.uk.easynet.net [89.200.130.2]
6 46 ms 46 ms 45 ms ge0-2-0-2.br0.tclon.uk.easynet.net [217.204.60.65]
7 45 ms 45 ms 46 ms bbc-gw0-easynet.prt0.rbsov.bbc.co.uk [217.204.61.146]
8 47 ms 46 ms 45 ms 212.58.238.133
9 46 ms 47 ms 47 ms 212.58.238.33
10 47 ms 48 ms 47 ms pos6-0.rt0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.30]
11 48 ms 48 ms 49 ms virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

Trace complete.

boxst

Correct, I am with Zen and have been for years. I can get 16-20mbps according to the DSL site.

Worth a try I suppose, as it only has a 3month tie in.

Steve

mike1210

do one to jolt as well and paste that, interestingly it's the first hop that seems to be the long one, rest are fine

mike1210

if you do let me know it goes, im gonna have to decide at some point if i want to go down the LLU road or not, not at the moment though as no LLU's are in my exchange.