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21 January 2007, 11:22 PM
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Not true. Just because it wasn't made in factories dosen't been that bacterial colonies, plant life, dinosaurs etc didn't evolve their own 'technological' solutions to improve their performances, and eventually upset the balance of things. It's what happens with evolution. Sometimes it gets out of control like now. It's/we are just part of nature, like it or not.
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21 January 2007, 11:24 PM
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Well the Grumpy Old Sod has a very accurate summary of this tree-hugger sponsored bunch of propaganda!
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21 January 2007, 11:30 PM
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Not true. Just because it wasn't made in factories dosen't been that bacterial colonies, dinosaurs etc didn't evolve their own 'technological' solutions to improve their performances, and eventually upset the balance of things. It's what happens with evolution. Sometimes it gets out of control like now. It's/we are just part of nature, like it or not.
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21 January 2007, 11:34 PM
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Of course it's true. The only way significant amounts of carbon can be added to the carbon cycle is by the geological processes that I've described, or by the burning or erosion of fossil fuels subtracted from the cycle millions of years ago.
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21 January 2007, 11:37 PM
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Well the Grumpy Old Sod has a very accurate summary of this tree-hugger sponsored bunch of propaganda!
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Brilliant, I knew it wasn't just me....
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21 January 2007, 11:47 PM
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Of course it's true. The only way significant amounts of carbon can be added to the carbon cycle is by the geological processes that I've described, or by the burning or erosion of fossil fuels subtracted from the cycle millions of years ago.
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I knew my degree would come in useful one day.
Not as much as paving over your driveway though.
Apparently that is a really serious environmental offence that should be worthy of taxation.
22 January 2007, 12:07 PM
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TBH I only caught the end of this programme in which good ole DA was telling us how we can help. I expected to be foaming at the mouth as the hippy brigade told us how we must give up our evil cars and revert to living in mud huts etc... but the advice was perfectly reasonable TBH. Don't leave lights on, switch things off after you've used them, etc...
I personally believe that the impact of man is relatively small on this issue (it's just being jumped on by politicans to justify tax hikes) Realistically, there is not much we can do
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If we can do something, particularly if that something is just not wasting as much and cleaning up after ourselves, then there is absolutely no reason why we shouldn't. The great thing about these approaches is that they don't have to entail tax rises for us...YAY!!!
I personally believe that the impact of man is relatively small on this issue (it's just being jumped on by politicans to justify tax hikes) Realistically, there is not much we can do
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If we can do something, particularly if that something is just not wasting as much and cleaning up after ourselves, then there is absolutely no reason why we shouldn't. The great thing about these approaches is that they don't have to entail tax rises for us...YAY!!!
22 January 2007, 12:31 PM
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Cant you see the link between Taxation and Global Warming?
Surely you can all see that if you pay more tax it reduces global warming. Simple really.
Thank goodness our Government spotted the link, we'll all be saved.
Thanks Tony, Thanks Gordie.
Surely you can all see that if you pay more tax it reduces global warming. Simple really.
Thank goodness our Government spotted the link, we'll all be saved.
Thanks Tony, Thanks Gordie.
22 January 2007, 12:36 PM
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Its all going into places where it should not be Lesley, the biggest proportion is being used to pay the salaries of the vast bureaurocracy which has been created to ensure that NL will have more people to vote for them in order to keep their jobs!
I have seen such a great change in our climate over a comparatively short period of time that although there will certainly be a natural change as time goes by, I think that Man's pollution efforts are also having an effect too.
The bad thing is the gravy train that these liars will generate with the excuse they will use to the hilt in order to screw more and more money out of us!
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I have seen such a great change in our climate over a comparatively short period of time that although there will certainly be a natural change as time goes by, I think that Man's pollution efforts are also having an effect too.
The bad thing is the gravy train that these liars will generate with the excuse they will use to the hilt in order to screw more and more money out of us!
Les
01 February 2007, 11:28 PM
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From here... The Global Warming Folly - Man Made Global Warming Debunking News and Links
The amount spent on climate studies worldwide has now reached the astonishingly high level of about $5 billion per year.1 In the United States alone, more than $2 billion is spent annually for climate studies, not including the costs of satellites, ships, and laboratory construction. 2 Climatologists have obtained this immense amount of funding by creating the vision of a man-made planetary climate catastrophe.
In the 1970s and the 1980s, computer models of climate prophesied a doubling of the carbon dioxide (CO2) content in the atmosphere during the next 6O years. The greenhouse effect of this CO2 increase, together with that of other greenhouse gases released by human beings into the atmosphere – CH4, N2O, CFC-11 (freon), and CFC-12 – was supposed to increase the average global surface air temperature by 5°C. In polar regions, the increase was projected to be 10°C. Later, in the 1990s, climatologists truncated the computer model estimates of the man-made increase of global temperature by the year 2100, first to 3,3°C3,5 and then to 2°C.7
Climate warming caused by man-made greenhouse gases, is usually presented as a gloomy catastrophe that will induce the mass extinction of animals and plants, epidemics of contagious and parasitic diseases, droughts and floods, and even invasions of mutated insects resistent to insecticides. Melting glaciers are predicted to raise sea level by 3.67 meters, flooding islands, densely inhabited coastal areas, and great metropolises. 6, 8 There will be mass migrations and a host of other social and environmental effects – always detrimental, never beneficial.
According to one American climatologist, the "scare-them-to-death" approach seems to be the best way to get money for climate studies. Dr. Stephen Schneider, a leading prophet of man-made climate warming, stated this bluntly:
"To capture the public imagination... we have to... make simplified dramatic statements, and little mention of any doubts one might have.... Each of us has to decide the right balance between being effective and being honest".9
In the 1970s and the 1980s, computer models of climate prophesied a doubling of the carbon dioxide (CO2) content in the atmosphere during the next 6O years. The greenhouse effect of this CO2 increase, together with that of other greenhouse gases released by human beings into the atmosphere – CH4, N2O, CFC-11 (freon), and CFC-12 – was supposed to increase the average global surface air temperature by 5°C. In polar regions, the increase was projected to be 10°C. Later, in the 1990s, climatologists truncated the computer model estimates of the man-made increase of global temperature by the year 2100, first to 3,3°C3,5 and then to 2°C.7
Climate warming caused by man-made greenhouse gases, is usually presented as a gloomy catastrophe that will induce the mass extinction of animals and plants, epidemics of contagious and parasitic diseases, droughts and floods, and even invasions of mutated insects resistent to insecticides. Melting glaciers are predicted to raise sea level by 3.67 meters, flooding islands, densely inhabited coastal areas, and great metropolises. 6, 8 There will be mass migrations and a host of other social and environmental effects – always detrimental, never beneficial.
According to one American climatologist, the "scare-them-to-death" approach seems to be the best way to get money for climate studies. Dr. Stephen Schneider, a leading prophet of man-made climate warming, stated this bluntly:
"To capture the public imagination... we have to... make simplified dramatic statements, and little mention of any doubts one might have.... Each of us has to decide the right balance between being effective and being honest".9
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