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Old 05 February 2007, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteBrant
No, one spin, two tickets - 50 possible outcomes.

That does not equal a 25 to 1 chance.


It a 2 in 50 chance - not the same thing at all.
1 spin 2 tickets = 1/25 chance or 0.04 or 4% same thing !!!
Old 05 February 2007, 05:06 PM
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Lets put it another way. You have bought the tickets 49 and 50 for our wheel of 50 numbers.

The wheels spins - do you think you have a 25:1 chance of 49 or 50 coming up?

If you have three numbers 48,49 & 50 - do you think your odds are reduced to 16.6:1?
Old 05 February 2007, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by THORPEM
1 spin 2 tickets = 1/25 chance or 0.04 or 4% same thing !!!
You are confusing probability with other mathmatical expressions.
Old 05 February 2007, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteBrant
The wheels spins - do you think you have a 25:1 chance of 49 or 50 coming up?
Yes. A 1/50 chance of either number coming up, so...
1/50 + 1/50 = 1/25 = 0.04

Originally Posted by PeteBrant
If you have three numbers 48,49 & 50 - do you think your odds are reduced to 16.6:1?
Well, it's the same as above, so.

1/50 + 1/50 + 1/50 = 3/50 = 0.06

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Old 05 February 2007, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteBrant
Lets put it another way. You have bought the tickets 49 and 50 for our wheel of 50 numbers.

The wheels spins - do you think you have a 25:1 chance of 49 or 50 coming up?

If you have three numbers 48,49 & 50 - do you think your odds are reduced to 16.6:1?

yep although i'd express the 3 numbers ratio as 50:3 as it's neater and the same thing or 3/50 as above or around 6% chance of getting a number

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Old 05 February 2007, 05:18 PM
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Time to go home - to be continued
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I'm with the other people on this one Pete. Sorry, but I would follow it through using our theory verses yours. 50 numbers

1 ticket = 1/50 == 2%
2 tickets = 2/50 == 1/25 == 4%
10 tickets = 10/50 == 1/5 == 20%
20 tickets = 20/50 == 2/5 == 40%
40 tickets = 40/50 == 4/5 == 80%
50 tickets = 50/50 == 5/5 == 100%

You'll have to work hard to convince me the above is not true
Old 05 February 2007, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteBrant
If you but 100 tickets in the uk lottery, your chances of winning are 1:13,999,900 (or 100/14,000,000) you can't reduce the equation like you woulkd a fraction - its a probability measure..
Pete the probability of winning is 100/14,000,000.

Providing you've got different sets of numbers on each ticket and if, when checking your numbers, your first ticket hasn't won, your chances are now
99/13,999,999. Perhaps you are thinking of this?
Old 05 February 2007, 05:43 PM
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Probability is generally expressed as

Pr(x) = Nx/N

where N is the number of possibilities (14 million)
and Nx is the number of 'winning' possibilities
Old 05 February 2007, 06:21 PM
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Oh dear i think some one with a good grasp of fractions versus probability needs to get into this thread double quick.

By the way Peter is correct.
Old 05 February 2007, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteBrant
The lottery, now there is a real mugs game

Things that are more likely to happen to you than winning the national lottery:

-Spontaneous Combustion
-Alien visitation
-QPR winning the champions league.

Of course the other fundamental error people make is assuming that buying two lottery tickets doubles your chances of winning the jackpot, or that buying 5 tickets means you have a far better chance of winning.
I won two grand a while back !
Old 05 February 2007, 06:45 PM
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Anyway, Don't buy the ticket really expecting to win, its just a way of buying the possibility that I might, that chance that I wont have to get up for work on Monday morning and instead proceed to Stratstones to order my 911.

If I dont buy a ticket, I have no chance of winning.
Old 05 February 2007, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by TopBanana
Pete the probability of winning is 100/14,000,000.

Providing you've got different sets of numbers on each ticket and if, when checking your numbers, your first ticket hasn't won, your chances are now
99/13,999,999. Perhaps you are thinking of this?
Yup - I was confusing 100/14,000,000 with 1/13,999,900.. ie taking the 100 off the wrong side.

Either way - it certainly doesn't equate to 1:140,000
Old 05 February 2007, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteBrant
No, one spin, two tickets - 50 possible outcomes.

That does not equal a 25 to 1 chance.


It a 2 in 50 chance - not the same thing at all.
Admit it, you are completely wrong.

Here is an example using roulette.

http://probability.infarom.ro/roulette.html
Old 05 February 2007, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by OPC
What's sauce for the goose...........


I thought you'd appreciate the irony of 'picture posting' as you did the same yourself to some other user name of mine.........the difference of course is that only your picture is a true representation of the ugly reality, isn't it Robin?
one word, sneb
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Originally Posted by PeteBrant
Yup - I was confusing 100/14,000,000 with 1/13,999,900.. ie taking the 100 off the wrong side.

Either way - it certainly doesn't equate to 1:140,000
ermmmm again 100/14,000,000 is the same as 1/140,000 ..

so go on admit your wrong
Old 05 February 2007, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by mattstant
Oh dear i think some one with a good grasp of fractions versus probability needs to get into this thread double quick.

By the way Peter is correct.
Exactly what I said earlier.

The fact that you have 2 lottery tickets doubles your chances of winning (cause you have double the amount of tickets than if you only had one) but it doesnt half the odds of winning.

14m to 1 chance in winning.

You buy 2 tickets does not make 7m chance to 1. How have you eliminated 6,999,999 other possibilities by buying 1 more ticket.

Think about it people.
Old 05 February 2007, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by davegtt
Exactly what I said earlier.

The fact that you have 2 lottery tickets doubles your chances of winning (cause you have double the amount of tickets than if you only had one) but it doesnt half the odds of winning.

14m to 1 chance in winning.

You buy 2 tickets does not make 7m chance to 1. How have you eliminated 6,999,999 other possibilities by buying 1 more ticket.

Think about it people.
You are wrong, I don't know how to prove it but you are wrong.

1 ticket is 14 million to 1
2 tickets are 7 million to 1

http://members.***.net/mathmistakes/rawdata.htm
Old 05 February 2007, 09:07 PM
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I'm with you kiwi, it's just trying to explain it !!! those who can... teach...

Both kiwi's links point to the theory... you not eliminating half the numbers by picking 2 lines your just increasing the probability from 1/1400000 to 1/7000000...

which in reality is only increasing from 0.00000007 % to 0.00000014 not a massive increase in odds when you look at it like that !!

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Old 05 February 2007, 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by THORPEM
I'm with you kiwi, it just trying to explain it !!! those who can... teach...

Both kiwi's links point to the theory... you not eliminating half the numbers by picking 2 lines your just increasing the probability from 1/1400000 to 1/7000000...

which in reality is only increasing from 0.00000007 % to 0.00000014 not a massive increase in odds when you look at it like that !!
If you say so, I suggest you count your zeros before you start bragging about those who can, teach
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I wasn't suggesting I could teach.. thats what I meant...

I can't teach so can't explain it the best way. Maybe a teacher on here can....

and you're correct i mistyped and missed a zero off 14 million .

it should read "Both kiwi's links point to the theory... you not eliminating half the numbers by picking 2 lines your just increasing the probability from 1/14000000 to 1/7000000...

i know the theory just can't explain it in words

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Old 05 February 2007, 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteBrant
Of course the other fundamental error people make is assuming that buying two lottery tickets doubles your chances of winning the jackpot
No, the most incorrect assumption is that lottery tickets fund good causes..
Old 05 February 2007, 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteBrant
Of course the other fundamental error people make is assuming that buying two lottery tickets doubles your chances of winning the jackpot
No, the most incorrect assumption is that lottery tickets fund good causes..

I'm all for choice, and if people want to blow their money up the wall, yep, they're being idiots, but then the Labour government blows half of the money we earn up the wall on our behalf too..
Old 05 February 2007, 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by KiwiGTI
You are wrong, I don't know how to prove it but you are wrong.

1 ticket is 14 million to 1
2 tickets are 7 million to 1

Lottery Math
Absolute bollocks.

And where on that link does it support your claim? - as opposed to teh site i linked to that supported the facts.
Old 05 February 2007, 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by THORPEM
ermmmm again 100/14,000,000 is the same as 1/140,000 ..

so go on admit your wrong
Christ almighty.

I give up.

How in the name of blue f*ck doe buying 100 tickets reduce the odds to 1:140,000 when your starting point is 1:14,000,000?

What does that mean? THat if you buy another 140,000 tickets your chances are 1:1?????

Does that not sound completely idiotic to you?
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Originally Posted by J4CKO
What about the mad old biddy thats binned 4 million on slot machines, pure evil, empty life why cant the daft old slag donate it to charity ?
what
so an accountant can have an early retirement

the old biddy may have an empty strange life, but its her money to do with what ever she wants!!
why be so bothered about someone spending 4 million
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Originally Posted by PeteBrant
Christ almighty.

I give up.

How in the name of blue f*ck doe buying 100 tickets reduce the odds to 1:140,000 when your starting point is 1:14,000,000?

What does that mean? THat if you buy another 140,000 tickets your chances are 1:1?????

Does that not sound completely idiotic to you?
No, if you bought 140,000 tickets your chance would be 140,000/14,000,000
Which is 1/100
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Originally Posted by KiwiGTI
No, if you bought 140,000 tickets your chance would be 140,000/14,000,000
Which is 1/100
correct!!
Old 05 February 2007, 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteBrant
How in the name of blue f*ck doe buying 100 tickets reduce the odds to 1:140,000 when your starting point is 1:14,000,000?
If the tickets all have different combinations, that's exactly what it does.

Originally Posted by PeteBrant
What does that mean? THat if you buy another 140,000 tickets your chances are 1:1?????
You're confusing yourself! For 1:1, you'd need not 100 plus another 140,000, but 100 multiplied by 140,000 (i.e. 14 million... as you'd expect)


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