Lionel Hutz

"Step away from the keyboard and put your hands in the air you are under arrest"

Scoobyspanners

Uk speed limits and stopping distances are way out of date, they were set back in the 1960`s and 70`s when cars had bubblegum stoppers, rock hard Chromed bumpers,joke tyres and no seat belts.................. I can understand having a 30MPH limit in town but for A Roads and Motorways the rules need looking at..........I think.

pslewis

We are not debating the speed limits .......

The pain and damage done by a slab of metal hitting a child is the same now as it was in the 1960's .....

SLOW DOWN!!!!

Lionel Hutz

"this is your final warning"

milf hunter

go out tomorrow and see if you can drive you car everywhere you go and do not break speed limit and let me know, with your eyes glued to speed limit you just might not see that child running out in front of you

Scoobyspanners

30MPH in built up areas yes, 20MPH at Schools a good idea........ but A Roads and motorways should hopefully be Child free, plus modern cars ARE safer on people, no mascots, sharp edges or Chromed bumpers for example and are also designed to crumple in an impact.............the limits were set in the 60`s and 70`s after all, when cars were to be honest Death Traps. Automotive design has moved on since then.

scotthldr

The only loser that i can see on this thread is you mate. The guys only stated a fact, in that the best way to avoid getting caught is not to commit the offence. If you have went to the trouble of getting a jammer then you must be one of those that drives everywhere at 100mph and give Subaru divers a bad name and actually committing 2 offences. Oh and by the way I have been caught speeding 4 times(and am not proud of it), before you start slagging me off.

scoobyverysoon

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Got to say thats a fookin quality user name

II HUFF II

I wonder if u have ever gotten a ticket or made a mistake?...hhhhhmmm I just have to wonder about that ....u $m@rt@$$

II HUFF II

Although I partially agree with ur statement, don't u think ur being a bit hypocritical...cuz u've been caught speeding 4 times and all...

scotthldr

Na don't think i am , as I said I've been caught and all four times just over the limit ie;- 72 in a 60, 88 in a 70, 74 in a 60 and 68 in a 60 (works van). At the end of the day the laws the law however outdated it may be. I don't come on here and preach to people by saying how dare you speed. But to come on here and brag that you own a jammer(you only own one for one reason) in my opinion isn't big. I actually hope that he gets caught before he takes someone out.

wakko

People will be to busy watching their speedo and not the road because they just know that a cash hungry government is pointing a laser gun down everyones throat just waiting for you to go 3 mph to fast, and bill you for it. Gits.

I find myself looking at the speedo far to much now and its a dangerous way to drive. Everyone will go above the speed limit at some point in their driving career, even if its just a few mph.

I've read some stories that make me rage, the police and the CPS pulling every trick in the book (lying) to do a driver over. Its disgusting. No wonder people are buying jammers when the laser guns themselves are no where near in falliable.

In answer to the original question, the best radar and laser detector is probably the Bel Euro 550 at about £299.

The best laser jammer is definately the Laser Park Pro at £300. Doesn't even give an error reading on the laser guns. Also comes with a useful parkaid function.

As for GPS based systems, take your pick. You need the ones that keep the databases up to date to most.

wakko

It would seem that the government has succeeded in brain washing everyone that speed is as anti-social as drink driving. Suckers.

If you are a normal responsible motorist who regularly exceeds a speed limit the chances of you causing a fatal speed related accident is around 1 in 200,000 years.

Speed limits should be set by experienced traffic engineers not the police, the government and certainly not by those "Safety Partnership" gits.

If we drove by the speedo instead of conditions i bet we'd see a hike in the death toll on our roads.

weslad

im pretty much betting that 99% of people on here speed even it is in what they would call the appriopiate time / place , but telling someone the best way to avoid getting a ticket (certainly on a high performance vehicle forum) is by keeping to the speed limit is a load of bollocks any annoying as well lol , you are obviously right in what you say factually and i do not condone driving like a txxt in any way but unless you are somebody who absolutely stays within the speed limits all of the time 24/7 then you have a chance of getting caught , ive seen coppers sat with radar on massive quite stretches of road before on a quite sat afternoon in the middle of nowhere and would be really pxxed off if i got a ticket for example driving at just over 70 mph on a road described as above and frankly if anybody does stay within the limits all of the time id see owning/running a scoob (or any other performance car) as a waste of time , owning a speed camera detecter saves your licence as well as giving you an extra warning if you do approach an area that has a drop in the speed limit which is a good thing for drivers and other road users and pedestrians around you..........this thread started as advice on speed cameras and has developed into a load of bollocks debate on the rights and wrongs of speeding , im pretty sure the poster is itelligent enough to know that if he was the type of person to stay within the limits all of the time then he would avoid a ticket but he is like the probable 99% of us and likes to put his foot down every now and then but would like a little bit of help via a detecter to minimize the chance of getting caught.........

Prasius

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The "morality" police on here are in fact amazing. I'm stunned that anyone with the attitudes of these people would actually consider owning an impreza. My personal opinion is that anyone knowingly speeding in a 30 is a retard, but then I'm sure the self-rightous ones on here are perfectly happy travelling at that speed past a school at 3.30pm. Get off your high horses and apply some common sense.

Getting caught speeding in a 30, or prehaps a 40 is one thing.. 50, or national speed limits however is something else simply by applying a bit of common sense. Of course you people will never admit to that - but then I'm pretty sure your fair more likely to run down a child by ridgidly sticking to that stupid 30mph speed limit past a school than I am by braking an arbitary 70mph speed limit on a motorway in good conditions.

New_scooby_04

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Back to the posters original question:

Road Angel is very good as a dedicated camera warning system. Don't get too caught up with the lazer detection; by the time you get the warning, it's too late in the vast majority of cases.

Jammers are illegal -steer clear IMHO

If you're thinking of getting sat nav any time soon, I'd just get a TomTom device and download the speed camera database -saves splashing out on two gadgets when you can get the lot rolled into one- prices start at £179 too!

Ns04

PS GUYS: STOP FEEDING THE TROLLS!!!!!

MonkiP1

I do agree no one buys a scooby to drive slow. But all it require's is common sence and the ability to read the road ahead. Yes i would buy a snooper/road angel ect just for the extra piece of mind when driving. Not a false sence of security that it would alert me of a gatso or mobile speed camera if im doing 50 in a 30 zone.

Monki.

wakko

That hasn't been proved in court yet. There was a case going through the courts but the CPS got cold feet and dropped the case.

Prasius

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There is a sound defence against prosecution with regards to detectors, but using a jammer is leaving yourself open to prosecution.

The reason for this is that the CPA/Police considered detectors illeagal under the wireless and telegraphy act. This is due to part of the act which states that acting on information contained within a police transmission is illegal - the signal from a speed camera being considered a police tranmission. Detecting the signal from a camera and then slowing down was therefore considered to be acting on police information.

However, they fell foul to the wording of the act and some techincal points. The signal from a speed camera is an unmodulated signal - it is simply used to measure time/distance and being unmodulated, contains no information. How can you act on information which doesn't, in the sense of radio theory, exsist?

Jammers on the other hand interfer with a police transmission which in this argument is makes no difference if there is information in the transmission - it is legally the same as jamming a police voice radio net. If the CPS indeed dropped a case regarding jammers they must have had a total idiot lawyer putting together the prosection case. One paragraph of the W&TA is all it takes.

From a technical aspect it is very difficult for the Government to make detectors illeagal within current legislation. GPS camera locators are legal and a ban on their use would backfire massively on a government who insist that cameras are there for safty reasons which is why they like you to know they are there!!

andy97

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Its a garage door opener, who said it was a laser jammer is wrong, its unfortuante the police have stupidly used the same part of the light spectrum as the garage door opener companies

Martin WRX22

Why do people like you come on here..........................?

wakko

Andy - Absolutey

The CPS dropped the case because they didn't want to set a precedence. They must have thought they were on shaky ground.

I have been thinking about getting one of those "laser parking aids" to protect me from the cheating, lying police and CPS. And the crappy laser guns which are no where near as infallible as they like to make out.

Not that i'm cynical.

Stephb1986

i know theres one in tesco for £80 quid not sure what its called my step dad was on about it the other day that his work mate has one and it makes noises when your coming up to on it also lets you know when you have passed it and also detects mobile police guns and vans. hope this helps

Varboy

only read upto about post 15 but I can see already that the campaign to make travelling above the posted speed limit as socially unacceptable as drink driving is already working on the brainless few, which no doubt over time will become the majority if people continue to give credence to the propaganda which is being pumped ot continously.

detectors are good in many ways, for me they are good because I have been on many unfamiliar roads where I have not seen a posted limit and have come up to a speed camera (good detectors tell you the posted limit) and secondly a warning of a camera can point to a potential blackspot area.

Speed cameras are not the best way to reduce road deaths or injury IMO, this belief was reinforced when I spent some time in Oz last year.

Oz has the most unbelievably draconian anti speed policy. Cameras are hidden on bridges above motorways and you can be travelling along a straight country road probably seeing a car every 5 minutes and all of a sudden you are in the cross hairs of a laser gun held by a cop on the side of the road.

Despite all of this and despite the much publicised speed crackdowns (the police advertise on the national news like the UK do for drinking and driving) there are still plenty of accidents. Why? because the driving standards have not improved, they just drive slower and consequently closer to each other and settle into a monotony induced trance like state...

I say improve driving standards and the detection of bad driving not speeders

II HUFF II

2 che ....( I don't know how to spell touche or whatever, tuche, tooche, hell Idk..)

Leslie

That is a perfectly valid point and you are showing yourself up by making a comment like that as well as the ones you made later.

It is surprisingly easy to get more points once you have been caught in the first place. I use a Snooper which does a good job but nothing can save you from a laser gun except a jammer. Those are strictly illegal and is it really worth the risk of being caught with one of those.

I find that it is easier and much safer to be a little patient and observe all speed limits in built up or restricted areas, and on the open road where we all go a bit faster if we are honest about it, it seems to be easier to avoid getting caught. Excessive speeds are stupid, and unfair on other people anyway on today's crowded roads.

It is true to say that modern cars generally handle and stop better than older ones, although one of my early cars would outhandle and outstop a Scooby quite easily. What has not changed are human reactions and driving ability, and when you drive at excessive speeds you decrease your chances of avoiding an accident and the end result will of course be worse at the higher speeds. Today's roads shoiuld never be considered the same as a race track if not for yourself, then for innocent drivers who get involved in your accident!

Les

wakko

Les - Why do you say jammers are strictly illegal? No one has actually been prosecuted for using one yet.

Leslie

I seem to remember a bloke who got a laser jammer and decided to deliberately speed through speedcam traps just to "stick it" to the police. He was eventually stopped, the jammer was discovered and he was prosecuted successfully for preventing the coppers from carrying out their duties. It is offiially stated that GPS camera warning devices as well as radar detectors are acceptable in this country but radar or laser jammers are specifically banned.

It is all very well to say that the laser jammer is used to open your garage doors but I bet that the coppers would be able to disprove that if they tried. Its up to you as ever but you are taking the risk since there is an indication on the camera that it is being jammed and they may start catching you further down the road if they see that.

Les