18 yrs for Charlie - bit steep?
24 February 2007, 12:26 PM
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I like the way the article makes the guy out to be a criminal mastermind and that the way he imported the gear was somehow new or not seen before 
Thousands of KGs of the stuff are exported from the producing countries every year using the same method. As the article says it's virtually indetectable, hence why it's so popular among professional gangs. The police are pretty much admitting that they haven't caught anyone else in this country using the same method which is pretty poor on their behalf as there are certainly many others doing the same thing in similar ways. They only seemed to get this guy because of inteligence/a tip off. It's easy to make a million from cocaine if you have the money (not that much, you'd be suprised) and contactc and many people do, certainly many many more than the police catch or know about.
Thousands of KGs of the stuff are exported from the producing countries every year using the same method. As the article says it's virtually indetectable, hence why it's so popular among professional gangs. The police are pretty much admitting that they haven't caught anyone else in this country using the same method which is pretty poor on their behalf as there are certainly many others doing the same thing in similar ways. They only seemed to get this guy because of inteligence/a tip off. It's easy to make a million from cocaine if you have the money (not that much, you'd be suprised) and contactc and many people do, certainly many many more than the police catch or know about.
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What a furore I started there!
I must say at the outset that fortunately I have never taken any class A,B, or C drugs and the closest I have been is being given morphine in hospital. I was overdosed with it due to a defective machine and it was not a very pleasant experience anyway.
I understand that Crack is instantly addictive, or so it has been reported. Great stuff for the dealers to peddle since it generates all that extra custom.
However you try to justify the use of drugs by saying how many use them, does that make it right? We see how dreadful the effects can be, young people hooked and being led into the sort of addiction that will eventually kill them. It must be an awful state to be in and easy to fall into as well.
It may well be that some people sell a bit on to friends etc. They still do it for profit and they are also actively swelling the profits of the big dealers who make millions out of peoples' degradation. These dealers deserve no sympathy or mercy from the authorities when they are caught.
I can see no possible justification for people to deal in drugs bearing in mind the misery and crime that they cause.
Of course smoking is addictive as I know to my own cost, but it was possible to kick it on my own account without additional aids. Alcoholism is also dreadful, but once again, easier to control in the first place if you are sensible with it. I like my home brew and a decent wine, but have never felt the need to go over the top with it.
The whole thing is a matter of degree, and classified drugs are at the extreme end of that.
Les
I must say at the outset that fortunately I have never taken any class A,B, or C drugs and the closest I have been is being given morphine in hospital. I was overdosed with it due to a defective machine and it was not a very pleasant experience anyway.
I understand that Crack is instantly addictive, or so it has been reported. Great stuff for the dealers to peddle since it generates all that extra custom.
However you try to justify the use of drugs by saying how many use them, does that make it right? We see how dreadful the effects can be, young people hooked and being led into the sort of addiction that will eventually kill them. It must be an awful state to be in and easy to fall into as well.
It may well be that some people sell a bit on to friends etc. They still do it for profit and they are also actively swelling the profits of the big dealers who make millions out of peoples' degradation. These dealers deserve no sympathy or mercy from the authorities when they are caught.
I can see no possible justification for people to deal in drugs bearing in mind the misery and crime that they cause.
Of course smoking is addictive as I know to my own cost, but it was possible to kick it on my own account without additional aids. Alcoholism is also dreadful, but once again, easier to control in the first place if you are sensible with it. I like my home brew and a decent wine, but have never felt the need to go over the top with it.
The whole thing is a matter of degree, and classified drugs are at the extreme end of that.
Les
24 February 2007, 01:28 PM
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No one is debating the fact that drug dealers tend to be the scum of the earth - but like it or not drugs are here to stay so surely its time they were regulated, supplied properly and taxed?
I have no doubts in my mind that if alcohol was only recently discovered it would become a banned substance, same goes for nicotine/smoking.
I know a lot of people from a wide cross sector of the population who take cocaine now and again with no long term damage I also know people that have been affected by drugs however I also know people directly and indirectly affected(sp?) by alcohol abuse.
In fact a very streight laced friend of mine recently took part in a trek along the inca trail happily chewing coca leaves to combat altitude sickness as all the locals reccomended. What is the difference between her doing that and doing the odd line now and again at the weekend (which she would never even consider) apart from the socially acceptable (and therefore morally justifiable) difference?
Andy
I have no doubts in my mind that if alcohol was only recently discovered it would become a banned substance, same goes for nicotine/smoking.
I know a lot of people from a wide cross sector of the population who take cocaine now and again with no long term damage I also know people that have been affected by drugs however I also know people directly and indirectly affected(sp?) by alcohol abuse.
In fact a very streight laced friend of mine recently took part in a trek along the inca trail happily chewing coca leaves to combat altitude sickness as all the locals reccomended. What is the difference between her doing that and doing the odd line now and again at the weekend (which she would never even consider) apart from the socially acceptable (and therefore morally justifiable) difference?
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So first up you admit to zero experience of the recreational drugs trade and market. Crack is not instantly addictive. The effect of anything CAN be bad and a statement of worst case scenarios is completely pointless in sensible debate. If a man chooses to import a drug and give it to people who CHOOSE to take it why is that worth 18 years of your life. ?
If you had a clue Leslie then you would know that the VAST majority of drugs are distributed by the friendship network often for no profit as a way of helping people out. I can remember the days of people spending all day friday firing phone calls here there and every where to get their something for the weekend. 'Drugs don't need to be sold they sell themselves' as chris rock put it. For some people a good dealer is like a good plumber worth his weight in gold.
Ultimately many people love drugs of all sorts when tougher controlls came in on chemichals used to make Ecstacy the quality dropped prices dropped and allsorts of dangerous stuff was added to Pills this fueled the absolutely massive growth in cocaine use that we have today. I don't believe theat drugs should be legal but I do belive the sentences are totally out of proportion to the harm they cause.
If you had a clue Leslie then you would know that the VAST majority of drugs are distributed by the friendship network often for no profit as a way of helping people out. I can remember the days of people spending all day friday firing phone calls here there and every where to get their something for the weekend. 'Drugs don't need to be sold they sell themselves' as chris rock put it. For some people a good dealer is like a good plumber worth his weight in gold.
Ultimately many people love drugs of all sorts when tougher controlls came in on chemichals used to make Ecstacy the quality dropped prices dropped and allsorts of dangerous stuff was added to Pills this fueled the absolutely massive growth in cocaine use that we have today. I don't believe theat drugs should be legal but I do belive the sentences are totally out of proportion to the harm they cause.
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24 February 2007, 02:22 PM
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Tell me please one illegal narcotic with ' instant addiction'
I have been reliably informed that the first hit of crack (and I quote) "Takes you all the way" and thereafter, "You're always chasing the first hit, but its never the same"
When a man calmly informs me that "Whatever amount of money I had on me, £10 or £1000, as soon as I got it, I always blew the lot on crack" then it tells you all you need to know about how addictive it is.
On a personal level, I have seen coke destroy people, destroy otherwise healthy relationships and suck people into doing unspeakable things to fuel their habit. To say
the sentences are totally out of proportion to the harm they cause.
If you want any further proof of how badly drugs **** you up then take a look here:
The Dark Side - Bluelight
This is a drug discussion forum. the link takes you to "the darkside" where people who are going off the rails can discuss their problems. I particularly like the threads entitled:
How Tolerance Can Kill You ( 1 2)
Slowly Losing it?
wishing today was the last day
There Is Hope
Lack of Self Esteem
Acessing credit beyond our means
losing my mind
Hard to let go
Homeless
and my personal favourite:
"The Dark Side" Weekly Check-in thread ( 1 2 3 4 5 ... Last Page)
Read some of the **** posted on there, then try and tell me drugs do no harm and the sentence was disproportionate.
astraboy.
24 February 2007, 02:56 PM
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Crack is not instantly addictive some people don't even get very effected by it. One girl I knew lived with a crack dealer did a bit here and there for years and never became addicited this is the same for many people. It just simply isn't addictive on the first hit. Listen to people talk about MDMA and they give the same descritpion of how good it is.
I could name 30 people I know that have been doing coke for years and never been addicted. I don't like the stuff and never have but the only person I know who has had problems has the problems within himself coke just adds to it.
At the end of the day I have never said that drugs should be legal what I am saying is that anyone who takes crack should have the guts to take responsability for his own action
its not the dealers, the suppliers or the smugglers who are to blame its the druggie himself. On its own smuggling produces no problems addicts do and they need to take responsability for their actions. I have seen far more harm done by alcohol than by drugs and any statistic on this matter bears this out.
I could name 30 people I know that have been doing coke for years and never been addicted. I don't like the stuff and never have but the only person I know who has had problems has the problems within himself coke just adds to it.
At the end of the day I have never said that drugs should be legal what I am saying is that anyone who takes crack should have the guts to take responsability for his own action
its not the dealers, the suppliers or the smugglers who are to blame its the druggie himself. On its own smuggling produces no problems addicts do and they need to take responsability for their actions. I have seen far more harm done by alcohol than by drugs and any statistic on this matter bears this out.
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Crack is not instantly addictive some people don't even get very effected by it. One girl I knew lived with a crack dealer did a bit here and there for years and never became addicited this is the same for many people. It just simply isn't addictive on the first hit. Listen to people talk about MDMA and they give the same descritpion of how good it is.
I could name 30 people I know that have been doing coke for years and never been addicted. I don't like the stuff and never have but the only person I know who has had problems has the problems within himself coke just adds to it.
At the end of the day I have never said that drugs should be legal what I am saying is that anyone who takes crack should have the guts to take responsability for his own action
its not the dealers, the suppliers or the smugglers who are to blame its the druggie himself. On its own smuggling produces no problems addicts do and they need to take responsability for their actions. I have seen far more harm done by alcohol than by drugs and any statistic on this matter bears this out.
I could name 30 people I know that have been doing coke for years and never been addicted. I don't like the stuff and never have but the only person I know who has had problems has the problems within himself coke just adds to it.
At the end of the day I have never said that drugs should be legal what I am saying is that anyone who takes crack should have the guts to take responsability for his own action
its not the dealers, the suppliers or the smugglers who are to blame its the druggie himself. On its own smuggling produces no problems addicts do and they need to take responsability for their actions. I have seen far more harm done by alcohol than by drugs and any statistic on this matter bears this out.
Completely agree and know similar people/similar circumstances.
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No, I DON'T agree. The sentences for rapists, child molesters, murderers etc ought to be increased, yes, but cocaine, heroin and other hard drugs? They destroy lives, not just of the idiots who choose to take it, but for their parents, their friends, their siblings, their children born junkies, and not least, the people against who they commit crimes to feed their stupid habit.
The cost to the country is ENORMOUS
I'd have given him 180 years!
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The cost to the country is ENORMOUS
I'd have given him 180 years!
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Drugs ruin lives!
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Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off down the pub!
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24 February 2007, 04:13 PM
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Crack is instantly addictive.
I have been reliably informed that the first hit of crack (and I quote) "Takes you all the way" and thereafter, "You're always chasing the first hit, but its never the same"
When a man calmly informs me that "Whatever amount of money I had on me, £10 or £1000, as soon as I got it, I always blew the lot on crack" then it tells you all you need to know about how addictive it is.
On a personal level, I have seen coke destroy people, destroy otherwise healthy relationships and suck people into doing unspeakable things to fuel their habit. To say
is niave to the point of being comical.
If you want any further proof of how badly drugs **** you up then take a look here:
The Dark Side - Bluelight
This is a drug discussion forum. the link takes you to "the darkside" where people who are going off the rails can discuss their problems. I particularly like the threads entitled:
How Tolerance Can Kill You ( 1 2)
Slowly Losing it?
wishing today was the last day
There Is Hope
Lack of Self Esteem
Acessing credit beyond our means
losing my mind
Hard to let go
Homeless
and my personal favourite:
"The Dark Side" Weekly Check-in thread ( 1 2 3 4 5 ... Last Page)
Read some of the **** posted on there, then try and tell me drugs do no harm and the sentence was disproportionate.
astraboy.
I have been reliably informed that the first hit of crack (and I quote) "Takes you all the way" and thereafter, "You're always chasing the first hit, but its never the same"
When a man calmly informs me that "Whatever amount of money I had on me, £10 or £1000, as soon as I got it, I always blew the lot on crack" then it tells you all you need to know about how addictive it is.
On a personal level, I have seen coke destroy people, destroy otherwise healthy relationships and suck people into doing unspeakable things to fuel their habit. To say
is niave to the point of being comical.
If you want any further proof of how badly drugs **** you up then take a look here:
The Dark Side - Bluelight
This is a drug discussion forum. the link takes you to "the darkside" where people who are going off the rails can discuss their problems. I particularly like the threads entitled:
How Tolerance Can Kill You ( 1 2)
Slowly Losing it?
wishing today was the last day
There Is Hope
Lack of Self Esteem
Acessing credit beyond our means
losing my mind
Hard to let go
Homeless
and my personal favourite:
"The Dark Side" Weekly Check-in thread ( 1 2 3 4 5 ... Last Page)
Read some of the **** posted on there, then try and tell me drugs do no harm and the sentence was disproportionate.
astraboy.
Some of the stuff on that forums an eye opener.
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What a furore I started there!
I must say at the outset that fortunately I have never taken any class A,B, or C drugs and the closest I have been is being given morphine in hospital. I was overdosed with it due to a defective machine and it was not a very pleasant experience anyway.
I understand that Crack is instantly addictive, or so it has been reported. Great stuff for the dealers to peddle since it generates all that extra custom.
However you try to justify the use of drugs by saying how many use them, does that make it right? We see how dreadful the effects can be, young people hooked and being led into the sort of addiction that will eventually kill them. It must be an awful state to be in and easy to fall into as well.
It may well be that some people sell a bit on to friends etc. They still do it for profit and they are also actively swelling the profits of the big dealers who make millions out of peoples' degradation. These dealers deserve no sympathy or mercy from the authorities when they are caught.
I can see no possible justification for people to deal in drugs bearing in mind the misery and crime that they cause.
Of course smoking is addictive as I know to my own cost, but it was possible to kick it on my own account without additional aids. Alcoholism is also dreadful, but once again, easier to control in the first place if you are sensible with it. I like my home brew and a decent wine, but have never felt the need to go over the top with it.
The whole thing is a matter of degree, and classified drugs are at the extreme end of that.
Les
I must say at the outset that fortunately I have never taken any class A,B, or C drugs and the closest I have been is being given morphine in hospital. I was overdosed with it due to a defective machine and it was not a very pleasant experience anyway.
I understand that Crack is instantly addictive, or so it has been reported. Great stuff for the dealers to peddle since it generates all that extra custom.
However you try to justify the use of drugs by saying how many use them, does that make it right? We see how dreadful the effects can be, young people hooked and being led into the sort of addiction that will eventually kill them. It must be an awful state to be in and easy to fall into as well.
It may well be that some people sell a bit on to friends etc. They still do it for profit and they are also actively swelling the profits of the big dealers who make millions out of peoples' degradation. These dealers deserve no sympathy or mercy from the authorities when they are caught.
I can see no possible justification for people to deal in drugs bearing in mind the misery and crime that they cause.
Of course smoking is addictive as I know to my own cost, but it was possible to kick it on my own account without additional aids. Alcoholism is also dreadful, but once again, easier to control in the first place if you are sensible with it. I like my home brew and a decent wine, but have never felt the need to go over the top with it.
The whole thing is a matter of degree, and classified drugs are at the extreme end of that.
Les
24 February 2007, 04:55 PM
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While I am not saying it isn't bad and uncomfortable to read it is only akin to someone generating a site focusing on fatal car crashes and then us all drawing the conclusion that cars are a bad thing. There are many sides to every issue and in the case of drugs different people handle them in different ways. I have seen some people's lives ruined through alcohol abuse, but it doesn't mean everyone who drinks is going to end up an alcoholic.
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While I am not saying it isn't bad and uncomfortable to read it is only akin to someone generating a site focusing on fatal car crashes and then us all drawing the conclusion that cars are a bad thing. There are many sides to every issue and in the case of drugs different people handle them in different ways. I have seen some people's lives ruined through alcohol abuse, but it doesn't mean everyone who drinks is going to end up an alcoholic.
Agree 100% there,I haven't got an opinion on drugs.
If people want to do them then it's there choice,when they start interfering in mine and other peoples lives it's different.
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I think when you compare to (percieved) worse crimes it is high but really it is correct but the other crimes should have an increased tarriff.
As a country we are soft on offenders full stop and still cling to the hope that our prisons etc will act as rehabilitation to them.....it clearly doesnt work.
As for addictions, I feel that depending on your mental well being different drugs can affect you differently. I know people that take cocaine at weekends and some that may take it only for weddings and birthdays. All of which are hard working, tax paying members of society but then again you see people that let it absord them and end up in a bad way. The same can be said for booze!!
As a country we are soft on offenders full stop and still cling to the hope that our prisons etc will act as rehabilitation to them.....it clearly doesnt work.
As for addictions, I feel that depending on your mental well being different drugs can affect you differently. I know people that take cocaine at weekends and some that may take it only for weddings and birthdays. All of which are hard working, tax paying members of society but then again you see people that let it absord them and end up in a bad way. The same can be said for booze!!
24 February 2007, 05:47 PM
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Interesting the comments about 'Daily Mail' readers. Go see http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs05/r256.pdf and "Table 1 Number of known drug offenders by type of drug in England and Wales, 1994 to 2003". Strange how the numbers of Class A drug offenses has shot up since '97.
Now who has been in Government since then? Oh, I know, that well known Mail reading party Nu Labia .......
Funny how certain people are so vociferous in trying to rationalise their drug use by stating that it's non-addictive, does no damage, etc etc. Hey, my grandad died peacefully in his early 70's after smoking roll-ups since he was 16. Not a cancer cell in sight. So I guess **** are all right for you too then??? I'll let my 2 1/2 year old start tomorrow 'cos he'll come to no harm ....
All you who say this, how about NOT taking any for, say, 5 years? If it's non-addictive you'll have no problems!
Dave
Now who has been in Government since then? Oh, I know, that well known Mail reading party Nu Labia .......
Funny how certain people are so vociferous in trying to rationalise their drug use by stating that it's non-addictive, does no damage, etc etc. Hey, my grandad died peacefully in his early 70's after smoking roll-ups since he was 16. Not a cancer cell in sight. So I guess **** are all right for you too then??? I'll let my 2 1/2 year old start tomorrow 'cos he'll come to no harm ....
All you who say this, how about NOT taking any for, say, 5 years? If it's non-addictive you'll have no problems!
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Funny how certain people are so vociferous in trying to rationalise their drug use by stating that it's non-addictive, does no damage, etc etc. Hey, my grandad died peacefully in his early 70's after smoking roll-ups since he was 16. Not a cancer cell in sight. So I guess **** are all right for you too then??? I'll let my 2 1/2 year old start tomorrow 'cos he'll come to no harm ...
I cant get to The Dark Side website - sounds v interesting - says item not archived everytime I click a topic link...?
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Although I think he deserves 18+ years, I think there's a huge imbalance in sentences handed down. For taking another life, 36years isn't long enough, yet often it's less than 10.
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Its been longer than 5 years since I took any and I had no problems stopping either.
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falkster : "As a country we are soft on offenders full stop and still cling to the hope that our prisons etc will act as rehabilitation to them.....it clearly doesnt work."
You struck a chord there. I have just 'almost' applied for a job in our local prison and to read the description of what the prison is about made me want to throw up. Sounded like a writeup for a holiday camp. Something really seriously wrong there.
Yve PS I didn't apply after reading that.
You struck a chord there. I have just 'almost' applied for a job in our local prison and to read the description of what the prison is about made me want to throw up. Sounded like a writeup for a holiday camp. Something really seriously wrong there.
Yve PS I didn't apply after reading that.
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hmmm, could be an interesting thread
myself, for reasons i cant even explain
have tried a few things in my time, for some random reason i have always thought that anything that needs to be sniffed/snorted is pikey as **** (goes for injection as well TBH) and i would never touch them.
in my yoof i had no problems eating or diluting something down in a cupper and larging it at a rave or something.
hence i have never ever touched "coke" but i do know a lot of my mates have, and still do, it seams to be popular just because its a bit expensive, the old "price theory" works wonders
its more expensive then other stuff, so pikeys think they are "rich" by being able to afford it, i know my own mates bang on about how its expensive for what you get, and they are all stuck on ****e money working for somebody else as a lacky. but they think they are the daddies because they can "afford" it
In reality, they need to sort there **** out and get out the ****en "council estate lifestyle"
i would estimate 75% of people in a nightclub these days are off there **** on something, "older" people just don't seam to realise how big the problem really is.
i have somebody close to me, who "sniffs" and it really pisses me off, i can see problems developing, little things, but little things lead to big things, the thing is, i dont think i have any right to say anything, as my yoof was spent "topping one nice one and getting sorted"
myself, for reasons i cant even explain
have tried a few things in my time, for some random reason i have always thought that anything that needs to be sniffed/snorted is pikey as **** (goes for injection as well TBH) and i would never touch them.
in my yoof i had no problems eating or diluting something down in a cupper and larging it at a rave or something.
hence i have never ever touched "coke" but i do know a lot of my mates have, and still do, it seams to be popular just because its a bit expensive, the old "price theory" works wonders
its more expensive then other stuff, so pikeys think they are "rich" by being able to afford it, i know my own mates bang on about how its expensive for what you get, and they are all stuck on ****e money working for somebody else as a lacky. but they think they are the daddies because they can "afford" it
In reality, they need to sort there **** out and get out the ****en "council estate lifestyle"
i would estimate 75% of people in a nightclub these days are off there **** on something, "older" people just don't seam to realise how big the problem really is.
i have somebody close to me, who "sniffs" and it really pisses me off, i can see problems developing, little things, but little things lead to big things, the thing is, i dont think i have any right to say anything, as my yoof was spent "topping one nice one and getting sorted"
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Interesting the comments about 'Daily Mail' readers. Go see http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs05/r256.pdf and "Table 1 Number of known drug offenders by type of drug in England and Wales, 1994 to 2003". Strange how the numbers of Class A drug offenses has shot up since '97.
Now who has been in Government since then? Oh, I know, that well known Mail reading party Nu Labia .......
Funny how certain people are so vociferous in trying to rationalise their drug use by stating that it's non-addictive, does no damage, etc etc. Hey, my grandad died peacefully in his early 70's after smoking roll-ups since he was 16. Not a cancer cell in sight. So I guess **** are all right for you too then??? I'll let my 2 1/2 year old start tomorrow 'cos he'll come to no harm ....
All you who say this, how about NOT taking any for, say, 5 years? If it's non-addictive you'll have no problems!
Dave
Now who has been in Government since then? Oh, I know, that well known Mail reading party Nu Labia .......
Funny how certain people are so vociferous in trying to rationalise their drug use by stating that it's non-addictive, does no damage, etc etc. Hey, my grandad died peacefully in his early 70's after smoking roll-ups since he was 16. Not a cancer cell in sight. So I guess **** are all right for you too then??? I'll let my 2 1/2 year old start tomorrow 'cos he'll come to no harm ....
All you who say this, how about NOT taking any for, say, 5 years? If it's non-addictive you'll have no problems!
Dave
Ever thought that maybe they would have 'shot up' (no pun intended I'm sure) anyway or maybe the fact they are 'known' is down to better detection and recording of these offences? Not saying that is the case, but you just can't help yourself with the NL thing can you?As for the rest of your post you seem to miss the point being made. I (and others) are not necessarily trying to rationalise drug use, just simply saying it isn't as black and white as certain sections of society would like us to believe. I would strongly argue that from my personal experience of the people I know who have used coke against those that smoke that so far nicotine has been the more damaging.
As for alcohol I had one school friend who became an alcoholic, but also know plenty of other people who while not alcoholics cannot go a few days without a couple of drinks. Does that mean we should ban alcohol? No, of course not as like someone else said, the drug is not the problem, the people are.
Hence maybe the time has come to accept that people do use other drugs these days and find a better way of helping and advising those that do have a problem with it. Just a thought.
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25 February 2007, 12:39 AM
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All that time for coke is well over the top, after all the people who sentanced him to that probalby had some charlie last night, if you have a son or daughter aged 18 + who live from home and love going clubbing they are probbaly taking coke every time they go out.
25 February 2007, 12:43 AM
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Coke is not like pills it dont make you rush it is just a feeling, once you have it you feel great, it makes you feel a million more times better than you really are.
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the fact that he was going to make a profit of £3million is enough to sentence him to 18 years for doing something illegal, how long will he serve for good behaviour? 10 maybe tops? the old saying "can't do the time, don't do the crime"
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Lol but a murdere would do less, never mind someone who knocked someone over they would do a lot less.
Life is worth less than drugs hahah yeah right
Life is worth less than drugs hahah yeah right
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Cocaine is a rec drug mate, yes it may take some lives like alochol does and alcohol takes a lot more a year.
Cocaine takes a lot less than heroin or dirty drugs like that
Cocaine takes a lot less than heroin or dirty drugs like that