what's that mean then?? I looked up the french but it translates to "of rigor"?? lost in translation...I thought it was a pun for a boner maybe
but "Rigor" is a shaking occurring during a high fever. It occurs because cytokines and prostaglandins are released as part of an immune response and increase the set point for body temperature in the hypothalamus.....allegedly

 

I don't think I've spelt it wrong but it means something along the lines of "it should go without saying... accepted as being the norm, etc."

 

I was a 'u' shy:-

de rigueur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

Good 'ol' Wikipedia....how did we cope without it

 

More smoke: Steve's Eta Tauri Site - UK Model codes

...and that one seems to be based on submissions from people who've actually got cars, which you'd think would be the most unambiguous source possible.

PS, shouldn't anyone who uses words like de rigueur be hanging round Audi, as opposed to Subaru forums?

 

But therein lies its comedy bent, pisstake-based usage.

 

Well my full VIN is JF1GF8LD3WG060899

 

You have a silver Impreza GT wagon Mistical. As far as the information I have to hand is concerned, this is a 1998MY car with a GF8FL8D applied model code. Left-hand drive is it? Spec is as per a UK model Impreza Turbo 2000 of the same MY - so EJ20G phase 1.5 engine, 208bhp, 277mm two pot front brakes, yellow plug ECU.

Actually, this would be quite an interesting "test case" for what Joz and I were discussing before regarding the date codes. Could you tell us whether the coilpack on your engine (black thing with the four red plug leads coming from it) is mounted on the centre of the inlet manifold, in front of the throttle body, or over on the left-hand branch of the inlet, in front of the dumpvalve?

 

The coil pack is in the center of the inlet manifold. I have a nother question. from what MY did prodrive fit their ECU-s? because i have one.

 

If it has the map lights and has the colour coded wingmirrors and door handles then there is a very good chance its an MY00

 

The prodrive ecu's were fitted as a part of the PPP (prodrive performance pack) which was an optional extra, you also get the blue prodrive intercooler piping (Y piece) along with the backbox with prodrive on it and the exhaust, oh and you should have a certificate with it

Tony

 

Mine doesn't have these but according to the VIN plate it is a MY00.

 

wingmirrors and door handles are colour coded and i have the prodrive backbox and ecu but i dont know about the intercooler Y pipe. but then again the door handles and the mirrors could have been painted by one of the previous owners.

 

If it has a central coilpack, there's no chance whatsoever of it being an MY00, or a '99 for that matter. Colour coding can be a bit of a red (or silver) herring when trying to identify these older cars too, given, as Mistical says, the possibility that it was done after leaving the factory.

As Mistical's car does have a central coilpack, but is a GF8F, it also disproves in practice the date coding scheme quoted by Long, Rees etc etc as far as the Euro/UK market cars are concerned. Joz, man, you should write to the publishers and demand a refund!

 

How have you worked that out Sy, via the applied model year code sequence quoted by Myblackwrx on page 1, with the 95/96 carryover? If so, given the evidence above, it now looks like that code is wrong, and that a GF8GK8D applied model code is an MY99 UK market Impreza Turbo 2000.

The conclusive proof is in the tenth character of the main VIN code. If it's a Y, you have an MY00. If it's an X, you have a '99.

 

Unless, of course, it just happens to have had a MY97/98 heads/inlet manifold/central coilpack/looms transplant (or indeed a whole replacement MY97/98 EJ20K motor!)...

Of course Mistical might take the off-center MY99/00 coil apck as being 'center'? We'd really need pics...



Can't argue with this point.

It'd be interesting if the poster could post up the engine code on the VIN (AND on the cam cover's label). Unless it's had its identitiy changed, then if the engine code begins "EJ20K..." (MY97/98)... but the Applied Model code is GC8F (originally thought to be MY99)... then Splitpin certainly has a case!...

 

You'd need the instrument cluster, ECU, MAF sensor and other bits too and it's a stretch to see someone converting a '99 car to run on a complete '97-8 power unit while still appearing nominally standard.

Engine code shouldn't begin EJ20K if the engine is original. According to Subaru, 98UK/EU still on EJ20G and this is confirmed in practice by the Eta Tauri table.

 

MY98/99 (and obviously MY00) - from Sep 97 to Aug 00 - all had the redesigned dash/binnacle change, anyway.

But you're right about the ECU (but that's why I mentioned 'loom' etc.).

I'll concede it's unlikely... but it is possible.



Well as far as JDM's are concerned...

MY93-96 (Nov 92 - Aug 96) = EJ20G ...[unofficially "Phase 1"]

MY97/98 (Sep 96 - Aug 98) = New "MASTER" EJ20K ...[unofficially "Phase 1.5"]

MY99/00 (Sep 98 - Aug 00) = Revised "MASTER" EJ205 (WRX/GT/Turboo 2000 AWD, etc.) or EJ207 (STi) ...[unofficially "Phase 2"]


Are we saying then, that the RoW turbo models didn't get the new engine with the above MY changes then?! I find that rather strange to say the least...

 

I'm right about the dash too. As you say they are all "facelift" and look almost the same from behind the steering wheel, but the 98MY instrument cluster is a different part (and incompatible with) the 99/00 one (and its loom). Apart from anything else the connectors are a completely different shape. You couldn't put an STi4 instrument pack in an STi5 (or vice versa), for the same reason

It isn't just "RoW" models that "didn't get the new engine". What information makes you think they all did?

Is this Long or Rees again?

According to that catherineandken site GMB linked to earlier and confirmed by the Eta Tauri site and other places, in the 97-98MY's only the STi's got the EJ20K engine. WRXes and, so it seems, UK Turbo 2000 and Euro GT's stayed on EJ20G (albeit that they still got the "phase 1.5" inlet manifold and ECU)

 

As said, the MY98 (v.4 for STi) - from Sep 97 i.e. 'halfway' through "phase 1.5" if you will - got got the redesigned dash with the minor gauges both on the left hand side. The MY99/00 also has this SAME STYLE binnacle (and dash/interior, etc).

Therefore, are you saying that INSPITE of them having the same binnacle design, the electronics driving them etc. are wholly different, etc.?

 

Yes.

The 99/00MY clusters have a proper fibreglass PCB with three connectors with green plastic shells. The 98MY one has a cruddy "screen printed on thick polythene" circuit "board" with, from what I recall, the polythene folded over parts of the plastic moulding to form the connectors. The matching loom plugs look like old style ZX Spectrum "edge connectors"

You cannot physically plug a '98 instrument cluster into a '99 (or 00MY) loom, and vice versa despite them looking similar from the front. They don't look exactly the same from the front, btw, the odometer is in a slightly different location.

 

Oh if that's the case that makes sense then.

I thought for MY97/98 the EJ20K was the designation for both WRX/GT/GT Turbo/Turbo 2000 AWD AND the STi. I didn't realise the EJ20G motor was - as your source/s appear to be saying - carried over to MY97 (and MY98?) Phase 1.5.

I'm sure it still isn't, as the EJ20G has the coilpacks on end of HT leads whereas, as far as I'm led to believe, the EJ20K has the central coilpack on top of inlet manifold - whether WRX, etc... OR STi!

 

Thanks - wasn't aware.

Although perhaps I should've guessed, seeing as the MY99/00 is a new phase i.e. revised car with new ECU etc, etc...

 

I'm not alleging anything. I'm quoting what Subaru's own spares system says, and I'm also noting that this info is supported elsewhere.

Does it? Does the G/K/etc designation refer to the entire engine, just the block or somewhere in between? You seem to be assuming that it means the whole thing, but practical evidence suggests something else.

Who led you to believe this? How do you know? You see now why it becomes so difficult to rely on what you think you know is true! Again, here, 97-98MY WRXes are noted as having the EJ20GDW6NE and (on the auto) EJ20KDX6NE engines, while here, 97 and 98 MY UK cars are shown with EJ20GNW6ND.

On that basis it is clear that Subaru sold must have thousands of cars with the "EJ20G" engine and a phase 1.5 manifold with central coilpack. The two are obviously not mutually exclusive. If the "G" designation refers specifically to the block, or short engine, that would make a bit more sense.

 

I´ll try to take some pictures.

 

Thanks Mistical! Anything showing the engine type, inlet manifold and the vehicle ID plate would be top banana.

 

Sorry, I edited my post (see above) but you got your reply in 'too' quick!

(Plus, wrong to use the word 'alleged' regardless).

 

Well, if it does just mean the block, then that would certainly be an explanation... In fact, assuming the MY97/98 do ALL have the revised top-end, then it 'must' be that it IS just the block that is being referred to as G or K, would you not agree?

But that list does seem to be pretty concise - once again another eyeopener! (for me at least )


Welcome everyone - Scoobies have just gotten altogether MORE complicated (as if they weren't already!)...

 

btw, SP I hope it doesn't come across as me trying to pick a quarrel with thee - that's not my angle (ain't got the energy for one thing).

I just wanna try to get to the bottom of MY/letter codes and MY/engine codes, etc, etc... as I like to know these things, that's all.

It's like being told 'wrong' facts at school that you take to be 'Gospel'... only to find out later on in life that, in actual fact, you were taught bollox! It can be hard to know what to actually believe from that point on...

 

I know buddy - never thought otherwise! All intelligent discussion as far as I'm concerned. Like you say it's good to get to the bottom of stuff, especially as, in this case, it could result in a lot of people working on the basis of incorrect info (or being given, in completely good faith, bad advice).