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14 March 2007, 10:05 AM
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I'm surpirsed nobody's mentioned the Tonight programme yet. usually avoid is as I hate Trevor 'I'll sortthe world out' McDonald.
Yesterday though they went undercover to so called ethical farms, some accreditied by the RSPCA. I love meat, but it was almost enough to put me off. THe conditions were appalling, and the animals really suffering. Expecially bad with pigs, which are pretty intelligent. The RSPCA hardly ever inspect these accredited farms, but they're allowed to use the symbol, and charge 3-4 times as much.
I think the local butchers is the best way, or local farm if you have one.
Yesterday though they went undercover to so called ethical farms, some accreditied by the RSPCA. I love meat, but it was almost enough to put me off. THe conditions were appalling, and the animals really suffering. Expecially bad with pigs, which are pretty intelligent. The RSPCA hardly ever inspect these accredited farms, but they're allowed to use the symbol, and charge 3-4 times as much.
I think the local butchers is the best way, or local farm if you have one.
14 March 2007, 10:07 AM
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Heard of fish farms? Not exactly natural habitat. Most cows, sheep and pigs live in fields, their natural habitat. Regardless, I see the point you are trying to make but it's not all black and white.
How many pigs, cows etc. have been alive over the years, if we were all vegetarians then they would have never lived in the 1st place.
How many pigs, cows etc. have been alive over the years, if we were all vegetarians then they would have never lived in the 1st place.
I would assume/hope a fish eating vegetarian would avoid farmed fish, but I also see your point.
I'm a non fish-eating veggie but do eat dairy products and see they hypocrisy in that to some extent - that's why I'd like some kind of 'super free range' produce to be available.
14 March 2007, 12:08 PM
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Do you really think those pigs and cows owe a debt of gratitude for their miserable existence, as described by Diesel?
I would assume/hope a fish eating vegetarian would avoid farmed fish, but I also see your point.
I'm a non fish-eating veggie but do eat dairy products and see they hypocrisy in that to some extent - that's why I'd like some kind of 'super free range' produce to be available.
I would assume/hope a fish eating vegetarian would avoid farmed fish, but I also see your point.
I'm a non fish-eating veggie but do eat dairy products and see they hypocrisy in that to some extent - that's why I'd like some kind of 'super free range' produce to be available.
youre doing more than alot of people by not eating meat and for that you should be proud.If and when this "super free range" does happen then youre concience will be 100% clear 
14 March 2007, 12:15 PM
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Ever since that recent thread with that awful PETA video on it about that hell on earth scenario in an abbatoir I have been enjoying my meat less.
Whilst I ensure that what we as a family eat has been reared as naturally and compassionately as I can, I have no control at restaurants/curry houses/Marriott breakfast buffets etc - they generally buy the cheapest meat they can get away with, and it wont have had a pretty life... Most people buy Danish or mass produced and horribly processed bacon after all, without a care for the inhumane conditions those poor sows have been kept in.
So the only real answer iif you dont want something's throat slit in order to satisfy your peckishness by then eating its back/leg/intestine/rump is to turn your back on it all... I'm not there yet [and doubt I ever will be] but the kids get Quorn burgers [as opposed to Mathews' reformed srappy Twilight Turkey Twizzlers] and I make as much of an effort as I can to buy only compassionately reared stuff [Google Happy Meat!].
I was sucessfully veggie for 10 days in India recently [well the chicken was rubbish!
] but its's all a bit hypocritical and weak really - hence Matt's post I guess. Always thought of it as 'God's gag' - give carnivores compassion...
Any conclusions/encouragement Matt?
D
Whilst I ensure that what we as a family eat has been reared as naturally and compassionately as I can, I have no control at restaurants/curry houses/Marriott breakfast buffets etc - they generally buy the cheapest meat they can get away with, and it wont have had a pretty life... Most people buy Danish or mass produced and horribly processed bacon after all, without a care for the inhumane conditions those poor sows have been kept in.
So the only real answer iif you dont want something's throat slit in order to satisfy your peckishness by then eating its back/leg/intestine/rump is to turn your back on it all... I'm not there yet [and doubt I ever will be] but the kids get Quorn burgers [as opposed to Mathews' reformed srappy Twilight Turkey Twizzlers] and I make as much of an effort as I can to buy only compassionately reared stuff [Google Happy Meat!].
I was sucessfully veggie for 10 days in India recently [well the chicken was rubbish!
] but its's all a bit hypocritical and weak really - hence Matt's post I guess. Always thought of it as 'God's gag' - give carnivores compassion...Any conclusions/encouragement Matt?
D
see him here hes the apple of my eye YouTube - Toby Stark 2.Anyway the dilema is i eat meat but the good wife is veggie and has been since she was about 10 years old.So do i encourage him to eat meat when hes old enough? or educate him about the benefits of being meat free ? the wife says just let him decide which i suppose is the best way maybe ? life is difficult sometimes man hehe
14 March 2007, 12:15 PM
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Its a good logical and practical use of a food by-product.
Must say there is something slighly bizzare about sitting on a dead cow's epidermis, whilst doing 80 on the M4, but hey ho - It's still much nicer than velour!
D
14 March 2007, 12:26 PM
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I think Matt has a very good point with his first post. I think factory farming is cruel and is a bad example of the profit motive, mainly by the retailers. I am not vegetarian and see nothing wrong in eating animals but I don't like to think of them being badly treated.
When it comes to fish, the point was made that the fish have a pretty hard time after they have been trawled out even to the extent of being cleaned while they are still alive. Difficult to know how to avoid that though. The way that whales are treated having been caught is truly awful.
I am quite happy to eat a fish that I have caught for the pot, and that is the only way I fish anyway. The fish is humanely killed immediately after capture. I don't fish catch and release any more but stop when I have reached the daily limit for the fishery.
Although I eat meat, I gather that too constant a diet of red meat is bad for you, as I discovered to my cost.
Les
When it comes to fish, the point was made that the fish have a pretty hard time after they have been trawled out even to the extent of being cleaned while they are still alive. Difficult to know how to avoid that though. The way that whales are treated having been caught is truly awful.
I am quite happy to eat a fish that I have caught for the pot, and that is the only way I fish anyway. The fish is humanely killed immediately after capture. I don't fish catch and release any more but stop when I have reached the daily limit for the fishery.
Although I eat meat, I gather that too constant a diet of red meat is bad for you, as I discovered to my cost.
Les
14 March 2007, 12:28 PM
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You seem to be thinking the same as me mate! I have one other dilema too as ive just brought a young nipper into the world see him here hes the apple of my eye YouTube - Toby Stark 2.
Anyway the dilema is i eat meat but the good wife is veggie and has been since she was about 10 years old.So do i encourage him to eat meat when hes old enough? or educate him about the benefits of being meat free ? the wife says just let him decide which i suppose is the best way maybe ? life is difficult sometimes man hehe
see him here hes the apple of my eye YouTube - Toby Stark 2.Anyway the dilema is i eat meat but the good wife is veggie and has been since she was about 10 years old.So do i encourage him to eat meat when hes old enough? or educate him about the benefits of being meat free ? the wife says just let him decide which i suppose is the best way maybe ? life is difficult sometimes man hehe
Gorgeous!I think everyone decides for themselves when the time is right, but as long as they have a balanced diet with a 'clear conscience' quality meat now and again, as well as non meat options if your missus makes a nice veggie/meat substitute option that's about as good as it gets I guess? My eldest at 3 1/2 doesnt really care for meat much - chips and courgettes with ketchup will do her fine if allowed! You need to give them a balanced diet based on what they will and want to eat to a point - she has LOTS of opinions now too!
One thing is for sure my kids are likely to be less carnivorous than me - I feel a meal is incomplete without meat due to the way I was brought up, but it is unlikely they will feel the same. A better fighting chance than me to be veggie then - if they want?
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14 March 2007, 12:44 PM
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It'll be a while before he can tuck into an outdoor reared organic smoked bacon buttie Matt so dont worry the lad just yet Gorgeous!
I think everyone decides for themselves when the time is right, but as long as they have a balanced diet with a 'clear conscience' quality meat now and again, as well as non meat options if your missus makes a nice veggie/meat substitute option that's about as good as it gets I guess? My eldest at 3 1/2 doesnt really care for meat much - chips and courgettes with ketchup will do her fine if allowed! You need to give them a balanced diet based on what they will and want to eat to a point - she has LOTS of opinions now too!
One thing is for sure my kids are likely to be less carnivorous than me - I feel a meal is incomplete without meat due to the way I was brought up, but it is unlikely they will feel the same. A better fighting chance than me to be veggie then - if they want?
D
Gorgeous!I think everyone decides for themselves when the time is right, but as long as they have a balanced diet with a 'clear conscience' quality meat now and again, as well as non meat options if your missus makes a nice veggie/meat substitute option that's about as good as it gets I guess? My eldest at 3 1/2 doesnt really care for meat much - chips and courgettes with ketchup will do her fine if allowed! You need to give them a balanced diet based on what they will and want to eat to a point - she has LOTS of opinions now too!
One thing is for sure my kids are likely to be less carnivorous than me - I feel a meal is incomplete without meat due to the way I was brought up, but it is unlikely they will feel the same. A better fighting chance than me to be veggie then - if they want?
D
) but veggie dishes that werent supposed to have meat in the first place are very good btw thanks for all the input everyone its nice to see that other people are thinking the same thing and are concious of where their meat realy comes from
14 March 2007, 12:58 PM
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I honestly couldn't care less where my meat comes from as long as it's not too fatty. I choose not to watch the afore mentioned programmes as they night upset me.
I love my steaks, sausages, chicken boobies, bacon, gammon, fish, etc way way way too much to even consider the name, family tree, living conditions, abatoir experience of my tasty dinner...
The thought of dropping of dropping such nutritous tasty goodness to become a pasty faced lentil muncher appalls me...
Seriously though. I do buy free range eggs and fair trade coffee so I am nice really
As for those who call themselves veggies but drink fish and eat milk etc... Well words fail me
I do enjoy the odd "veggie" meal when dining out though... Hmm garlic mushromms
I love my steaks, sausages, chicken boobies, bacon, gammon, fish, etc way way way too much to even consider the name, family tree, living conditions, abatoir experience of my tasty dinner...
The thought of dropping of dropping such nutritous tasty goodness to become a pasty faced lentil muncher appalls me...
Seriously though. I do buy free range eggs and fair trade coffee so I am nice really
As for those who call themselves veggies but drink fish and eat milk etc... Well words fail me
I do enjoy the odd "veggie" meal when dining out though... Hmm garlic mushromms
14 March 2007, 01:22 PM
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I think Matt has a very good point with his first post. I think factory farming is cruel and is a bad example of the profit motive, mainly by the retailers. I am not vegetarian and see nothing wrong in eating animals but I don't like to think of them being badly treated.
When it comes to fish, the point was made that the fish have a pretty hard time after they have been trawled out even to the extent of being cleaned while they are still alive. Difficult to know how to avoid that though. The way that whales are treated having been caught is truly awful.
I am quite happy to eat a fish that I have caught for the pot, and that is the only way I fish anyway. The fish is humanely killed immediately after capture. I don't fish catch and release any more but stop when I have reached the daily limit for the fishery.
Although I eat meat, I gather that too constant a diet of red meat is bad for you, as I discovered to my cost.
Les
When it comes to fish, the point was made that the fish have a pretty hard time after they have been trawled out even to the extent of being cleaned while they are still alive. Difficult to know how to avoid that though. The way that whales are treated having been caught is truly awful.
I am quite happy to eat a fish that I have caught for the pot, and that is the only way I fish anyway. The fish is humanely killed immediately after capture. I don't fish catch and release any more but stop when I have reached the daily limit for the fishery.
Although I eat meat, I gather that too constant a diet of red meat is bad for you, as I discovered to my cost.
Les
PS. A cat only feeds 2 in a cassorole, so get a couple if your planning a dinner party.
14 March 2007, 02:39 PM
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Does no one realise that giving up meat to "save the animals" would just mean that there would be no animals in the future? If everyone was vegetarian there would not be a lot of farm animals around for sure.
14 March 2007, 02:51 PM
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I've heard that to aid the governments plight to reduce greenhouse gas emissions they're going to tax veggie meals 
Oh hang on, they'll have to tax the cows too... we're all doomed
Oh hang on, they'll have to tax the cows too... we're all doomed
14 March 2007, 02:56 PM
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not sure about dogs but deffo cats, damn niusance
14 March 2007, 03:00 PM
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if you go back to were the cavemen made a big step forward in intellegence , the scientists have put this down to them starting to eat meat, which made the human brain that much bigger!!!!
so if we hadn't been eating meat then we probably wouldn't be haveing this thread
and it explains why veggies are damn boring and look like death warmed up
slaughter all veggies
what good is a women if she doesn't eat meat
so if we hadn't been eating meat then we probably wouldn't be haveing this thread
and it explains why veggies are damn boring and look like death warmed up
slaughter all veggies
what good is a women if she doesn't eat meat
14 March 2007, 03:01 PM
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Just wondeing, sounds a but too touchy-feeley in touch with your feminine side to me
Ok then,
My other half is veggie, eats fish.
She stopped because she stopped liking th taste of meat and has a problem with how animals are treated.
The way i look at it is:
I like the taste of meat althogh i do eat veggie specific meals sometimes.
I do not like to see animals mistreated, i only buy organic/farm grown/reared good quality meats from our butcher. Not jusyt for the quality of the meat but because the way the animal are treated is better IMHO. It cost more - i am prepared to pay the extra.
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I do not buy cheap nasty stuff from supermarkets, freezer shops or such like.
If you are having a probelm with your conceince then either give meat up or find a solution that eases the situation.
Ok then,
My other half is veggie, eats fish.
She stopped because she stopped liking th taste of meat and has a problem with how animals are treated.
The way i look at it is:
I like the taste of meat althogh i do eat veggie specific meals sometimes.
I do not like to see animals mistreated, i only buy organic/farm grown/reared good quality meats from our butcher. Not jusyt for the quality of the meat but because the way the animal are treated is better IMHO. It cost more - i am prepared to pay the extra.
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I do not buy cheap nasty stuff from supermarkets, freezer shops or such like.
If you are having a probelm with your conceince then either give meat up or find a solution that eases the situation.
14 March 2007, 05:39 PM
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One thing I would say - lots of people are don't eat meat and it is nothing to do with being nice to animals or not using leather it is simply that modern western diets are overloaded with meat or meat products which could easily be cut by 90-99% and everyone would be healthier rather than less healthy.
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14 March 2007, 06:11 PM
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the facts i have stated were taken from a bbc programme a couple of years ago, like the "walkin with dinosaurs" series were it showed animals and humans paths to now, please check this, i would love tobe corrected,
the problem with peoples health today is they don't eat real food, if you check most ready meals etc , there is hardly any meat in them, jusy chemicals, and soya, mostly (GM),
the other thing!, why do most professional athlete end up being diabetic???
and on the whole its on the rise throughout the country
you will find by looking at most of the food that people eat , that its mostly carbohydrate!!!!!
athletes eat lots of it to train, and this overload of carbs causes diabeties,
people eat far to much wheat based products and dairy products,
if you have never heard of DR HAY, and his book "the hay diet" i surgest you read it, he cured people in the early 1900's when doctors couldn't, one of his patients was sir john mills, who lived into his ninety's on his diet,
the facts i have stated were taken from a bbc programme a couple of years ago, like the "walkin with dinosaurs" series were it showed animals and humans paths to now, please check this, i would love tobe corrected,
the problem with peoples health today is they don't eat real food, if you check most ready meals etc , there is hardly any meat in them, jusy chemicals, and soya, mostly (GM),
the other thing!, why do most professional athlete end up being diabetic???
and on the whole its on the rise throughout the country
you will find by looking at most of the food that people eat , that its mostly carbohydrate!!!!!
athletes eat lots of it to train, and this overload of carbs causes diabeties,
people eat far to much wheat based products and dairy products,
if you have never heard of DR HAY, and his book "the hay diet" i surgest you read it, he cured people in the early 1900's when doctors couldn't, one of his patients was sir john mills, who lived into his ninety's on his diet,
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2.0 do you feel a book coming on? Many have made a mint from tosh after all
Ohh and saw a chimp hunt a Bornobo monkey on telly once and proceed to tuck in; story has it that the jammy git's driving a Porsche and working for the BBC now
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Ohh and saw a chimp hunt a Bornobo monkey on telly once and proceed to tuck in; story has it that the jammy git's driving a Porsche and working for the BBC now
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mr rannoch
the facts i have stated were taken from a bbc programme a couple of years ago, like the "walkin with dinosaurs" series were it showed animals and humans paths to now, please check this, i would love tobe corrected,
the problem with peoples health today is they don't eat real food, if you check most ready meals etc , there is hardly any meat in them, jusy chemicals, and soya, mostly (GM),
the other thing!, why do most professional athlete end up being diabetic???
and on the whole its on the rise throughout the country
you will find by looking at most of the food that people eat , that its mostly carbohydrate!!!!!
athletes eat lots of it to train, and this overload of carbs causes diabeties,
people eat far to much wheat based products and dairy products,
if you have never heard of DR HAY, and his book "the hay diet" i surgest you read it, he cured people in the early 1900's when doctors couldn't, one of his patients was sir john mills, who lived into his ninety's on his diet,
the facts i have stated were taken from a bbc programme a couple of years ago, like the "walkin with dinosaurs" series were it showed animals and humans paths to now, please check this, i would love tobe corrected,
the problem with peoples health today is they don't eat real food, if you check most ready meals etc , there is hardly any meat in them, jusy chemicals, and soya, mostly (GM),
the other thing!, why do most professional athlete end up being diabetic???
and on the whole its on the rise throughout the country
you will find by looking at most of the food that people eat , that its mostly carbohydrate!!!!!
athletes eat lots of it to train, and this overload of carbs causes diabeties,
people eat far to much wheat based products and dairy products,
if you have never heard of DR HAY, and his book "the hay diet" i surgest you read it, he cured people in the early 1900's when doctors couldn't, one of his patients was sir john mills, who lived into his ninety's on his diet,
As for Dr Hay, I teach it and primarily eat a Hay diet.
Oh, and I think you will find a lot of athletes don't carbo-load, Welsh jumpy boy was on TV recently and they were analysing his diet. Very high protein. Indeed he went veggie and his power to weight ratio got worse.
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