evil.soup

iTrader: (1)

I think some people are missing the point here.
The government have always done things that we are not going to like in small stages and this is no different. How long do you think it would take before they start to increase tax on other cars. And is everyone going to keep their cars and never buy a car not produced after 06, of course not!
The government has done it this way so that it will slowly affect the nation over time like a virus. They are like parasites suching the life out of us and the country we live in.

WHY SIT BACK AND TAKE IT!!!!!

wrxmad

as above ..this country
i agree with alot of people who live here.. TOTAL RIP OFF..
IF ALL OF US STICK TOGETHER..they would have no choice but to lower
everything petrol,car tax,council rates,etc.i think they in the goverment are
LIVING IN A DIFFERENT WORLD TO US AND THEY ALL SHOULD GET THERE HEADS OUT OFF THEIR ASSES...and try to live in the real world on crappy
wages....LOVE TO SEE THEM LIVE ON THAT!!!...
no wonder people are in a lot off s**te this day an age.. people in their 20- 60-70s
owning money ....due to cost of living over here.dont get me wrong i did love my country .but i think its going to the dogs.the goverment dosent care about any ones point of view..their will carry on putting everything up.
petrol prices are going up and up.. ,cartax, bills
SOME THING NEEDS TO BE DONE BEFORE ITS TO LATE!!!!
OH AND GOOD LUCK WITH THE M25 PROTEST
WITH YOU ALL THE WAY ON THAT..WHILE UR AT IT PROTEST ABOUT EVERTHING!!!! AT THE SAME TIME.

marmski

I personally am effected by the car-tax hike, but accept the reasons for my additional taxation due to the fact my Co2 is above the average level. (no-one has proven Co2 isnt the reason of the warming yet, so acting even if temporarly is a good move).

I dont agree with the new budget though.

If protests are to be then you need to do it against a range of the current poor running you feel this govenment is having on this country:

1. Illegal War - How much tax is going to this war? Where is the justification for this war now... We have liberated Iraq from a regime.. now let their new Govenment rebuild alone.
2. Olympic Games - I have yet to find someone who actually likes the fact we are paying for this, most dont even want it. (much like the millenium dome)
3. Tax breaks - Im personally lucky enough to be benefitting from the 2p reduction, but i dont agree with it. Why charge the lower earners more tax? makes no sense... charge the £50k+ a lot more tax if you really want to re-distribute wealth across the country. (i personally think we need a even higher £100k+ band)
4. Global Warming - Lets get some proper debate on the cause of the warming. Some examples even show that Mars/Venus are warming at the same rate as the Earth, others show that the period we are living in is actually one of the lowest the Earth has ever experienced in terms on Co2 in the atmosphere. Maybe it is humans, but lets invest some decent money in the truth with proper eveidence. (i for one would love my taxes to be spent this way).
5. NHS - Its a mess. I agree their needs to be some pain to achieve some gain, but shutting Hospitals down isnt the way in my opinion. It puts too much pressure on the remaining Hospitals to increase their catchment areas and could cost lives... seconds count when the greatest gift of life is on the line.
6. Schools - At the moment its pretty clear they arent ideally funded. We are technilogically advanced country and others look up to us, lets start to re-invest in ensuring we continue to push these limits and our schools are preparing the future generations for the new world. Understanding today is a vital, advancing tommorrow is key.
7. Public Transport - Well, what can be said here... as a Country we are are far behind our European counterparts. Lets use them as examples and work to get a good foundation to build the next generation on. Granted we have a very densley packed country with people, but the knock-on effect of getting at least 1 form of this right will give more breathing room to build on the rest.

Im sure their are more that could be listed, but the basis of a protest needs to be for a better society and not selfish ideals. Dont protest because you are paying more car tax, protest because you want the UK to continue to advance as a respected nation where people want to live for reasons other than a 'free ride'.

Edited to say: I also feel their are areas where Labour should be comended, and certainly feel safer under Tony Blair than i feel i will be under Gordon Brown. Still.. modifications need to be made to policy.

Prasius

iTrader: (1)

I'm just tempted to get a "257g/KM - AND PROUD!" sticker made up for my back window..

Alan MaC

Marmski,

Good points. Did you see the Documentary 2 weeks ago ( they tried to ban it)
The Great Global Warming Scandal??These Professors, (independendent) proved that the flucuations are ttributed to Tide Flows & Solar Movements.

The Green Professors are sponsored by Companys apparently.

It really is about finding a way to tak more ££ out of our Wallets.

AS pointed out on this thread is, Joe Public going to be sympathetic to us lot, who like intersting Cars??


I don't think so.

Alan MaC

Martin2005

LOL I think you'll find that the programme proved absolutely nothing, and was in many ways deliberately misleading.

Luminous

iTrader: (3)

Perhaps, perhaps not. But the real point is that they have not actually put forward a decent counter argument against the points that were made by that program.

Just how many people do you think watched that programme? Loads of people are interested in this debate, yet they have done nothing to disprove those points. I say that the information presented by that programme stands true until someone else can be bothered to take the time to present a reasonable argument as why their ideas of solar activity are wrong.

Martin2005

I agree I want the facts too.

Who are the 'they' you refer to?

Alan MaC

Thanks for replying.


There was a similar concern in the late 1800's.

In England, people were having Picnics in February ( remember this is when we had lines between the seasons Snow & stuff)

However, as I have understood it, there was not a mission to ellict tax on these grounds, at that time.

All I want to do is, challange these people ( Expert consultants in the Governments payroll, ( we as taxpayers pay for this) and are to me, unnaccountable) as, I am not convinced that this all stacks up.

If you want to go with this Government aaaaaannnndddd you trust them ( Iraq, & a list of other dodgy stuff too long to print) then, I am disapponted.

They bank on Joe Public just not going against it ( as with Speed Cameras)

"musn't grumble."

Stil not convinced.

Alan MaC

marmski

Yes i did, interesting theory which in my eyes holds equal weight as the Co2 argument. The fact we are even able to debate it means that their is not enough evidence to prove any of the many theories correct.

If Global Warming is soo massive that we need taxes to control it, then lets at least have the increased revenue generated from this control measure plowed into researching all possibilities and understanding our planet from the core outwards until we are confident that the final assessment is the correct one. We can then act accordingly as a whole race (not just the UK), we are lucky enough to contain some of the brightest examples of the human race in our country.. lets put them to good use and once again lead the world in the right way (not fighting and spilling innocent blood as we are currently).

Add this to the lack of answers/solutions to the other inconsistentcies and we seem to have evolved into a country with mega wealth but little value.

I know i may seem a little bit 'Perfect World' but without a dream you will never make an achievement.

Edited to say: I am also very aware that it is easy to create the perfect policy from the power of my keyboard and understand the real world unfortunately doesnt make implementing these ideas easy for anybody... let alone a Govening body. Maybe we are taking the job Labour is doing for granted?

Prasius

iTrader: (1)

An interesting side to this - although not directly to do with our cars - is very telling of the Governments "green" credentials. Transport 2000's report realised today highlighting the number of trains that are over-crowded by nearly 90% yet the rail companies are prevented from increasing capacity by the Governments "no expansion" clause written into the franchises. So even if everyone gave up their cars - the rail network is critically inadequate to even handle the current number of users.

No Cars, yet no options.

Dan W

Exactly. If the government are so concerned with the environment as the calim they would be bending over backwards to fix the transport system.

Alan MaC

Good points made.

Again, if I honestly beleived that the money raised by us paying crazy taxes was going to help the enviroment, I could be pesuaded.

However, as long as they (Goverment MPS< MINISTERS ETC) continue to do what they like travel wise,Chauffered cars MILEAGE UP ON LAST YEAR, Air Flights, again up on Last Year.

NOT DO AS I DO, DO AS I SAY.

Buildings not Green, letting out warmth etc etc etc. Wind Turbines for your house that won't power a hairdrier and will take 50 plus years to get your money back.

No honest debate with the electorate about it.


However, in the intersts of a balanced view, the only thing this lot will have done to improve the air quality, willbe the smoking ban.

Alan MaC

sadako

The government are already communists ;-)

C_B_B

Not a bit.

I just can't see the logic in choosing one of the slowest, most congested roads in the country to do this protest on.

Far better to pick one where people might notice the difference.

Alan MaC

Good point.

Any thoughts on which road would be mostr effective?

Alan MaC