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29 March 2007, 12:33 PM
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[quote=Brit_in_Japan;6790407]Where did anyone mention raping? I think your own judgement was replacing what was stated 
Read up what Brendan wrote, my comment was all not singular
Read up what Brendan wrote, my comment was all not singular
29 March 2007, 12:46 PM
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Bram, in your post #15, you obviously didn't think you were justifying such atrocities as I mentioned - but General Mladic and a few others did. That was my point. If you'd actually written the boundaries that you apparently had in mind, I would not have replied.
30 March 2007, 03:47 PM
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Lets look at this Leslie, I would have no great deal of thought to take out a house holding a sniper which had been firing on my position. If there are civilians caught up in the debri, its war. I look at defending my troops and myself first.
So where does this hold in Law, as I said Law ain't there. War is to gain your objective and minimise your losses. If you start deciding what can or not happen we may as well not be there, that's my point.
If I felt calling in a air strike to clear out a village or building saved me casualties, the target is getting hit. There is no such thing as restricted war, its all out or its pointless.
Either you can do what your enemy does, especially in guerilla fighting or your going to lose a lot of troops, just look at the figures of deaths and casualties of troops after Sadam fall. I do not feel justice or qualms should restrain your judgement call, if you do you will always lose this battle. I would rather be alive and home bloody handed with my mates safe than home defeated and lost my mates because a felt it wrong to take out a house or have civilian casualties as a result.
But in the atmosphere of a court of justice or home safe, I feel this call or decision would be easier to make or justify. But in reality of battle I feel after a few deaths you would feel it totally unacceptable to restrict yourself in such a way. But if you could write or look the family in the eye of friends you lost due to your decision not to commit a strike well that's you, it ain't me.
So where does this hold in Law, as I said Law ain't there. War is to gain your objective and minimise your losses. If you start deciding what can or not happen we may as well not be there, that's my point.
If I felt calling in a air strike to clear out a village or building saved me casualties, the target is getting hit. There is no such thing as restricted war, its all out or its pointless.
Either you can do what your enemy does, especially in guerilla fighting or your going to lose a lot of troops, just look at the figures of deaths and casualties of troops after Sadam fall. I do not feel justice or qualms should restrain your judgement call, if you do you will always lose this battle. I would rather be alive and home bloody handed with my mates safe than home defeated and lost my mates because a felt it wrong to take out a house or have civilian casualties as a result.
But in the atmosphere of a court of justice or home safe, I feel this call or decision would be easier to make or justify. But in reality of battle I feel after a few deaths you would feel it totally unacceptable to restrict yourself in such a way. But if you could write or look the family in the eye of friends you lost due to your decision not to commit a strike well that's you, it ain't me.
My point was about the less savoury treatment of innocent civilians or prisoners of war which might result from the use of forces which are not subject to military or civilian law. Or even from military personnel who carry out actions which they should not do in the name of reasonable behaviour. We have seen that sort of thing recently of course.
I also fully understand what Prasius is saying about so many of the petty rules etc which make life difficult when it comes to mounting a military action. I suppose I am guilty of accepting the guidance of natural law and the codes of common decency particularly if one is in the position of having won the battle and being in a position of superiority. Maybe that chap who said he would love to see an undisciplined army on our streets would not understand that!
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30 March 2007, 03:53 PM
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Thanks for the education 
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The Single European Tank: EU Referendum
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