JPL

Come on then Elwyn, you state you've done this on other car forums...

Links to the threads please, ooh, you joker you!!!

Sonic'

Do you have any details, a website perhaps, maybe an address where we can donate our useless bits of tat, or an address so we can come along to one of your sermons?


So you would like us to clear out all our lofts and closets so you can sell them to go back in someone elses lofts and closets ?

The Environmentalist

Tnis is quite correct, the South Wales Trust already existed. I wanted to set one up on my own so I represented the north. Before anyone asks our head office is based in Carmarthen and we do not make unecessary journeys.

Keep warm
Elwyn

Clarebabes

PMSL, this is way funny! Cheered me up no end. Thanks Elwyn

boxst

Someone else who uses "Hello"

(shame it is such a person, I'm going to have to stop ...)

Steve

Sonic'

Ive just donated all my coats to your cause, so now I will be too cold to walk to work, and will now have to drive

The Environmentalist

Hi

Thank you kindly my environmentalist friend. Every donation helps to secure the future of our planet. I will ask Mrs Maddock to set up a fund raising account in the name of "Scubernet" for all the kind people on here.

I hope you will be driving a low emmission vehicle such as a Toyota Prius?

Sorry I mean "Scoobynet"

Sonic'

No not a toyota Prius, ive got a big 4x4 Toyota gas guzzler, which as I am being taxed more on, whether I use it or not, I now intend to get my tax moneysworth out of it and drive it everywhere now

m1cks

Why smaller? I have a 6.8 V10 limo which holds 14 passengers.

Lets do the maths 14 passengers in 1 vehicle versus 14 passengers in 4 cars?
Suppose that means i'm doing my bit

Oh it does 4MPG by the way

Suresh

I'm sure folks on here have got a load of unused catalytic converters lying around that they don't need. Do you want them?

GeeDee

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Home now. Took a bit longer than usual to pick up some V-Power and all that weaving to avoid the flies!

On recounting this thread to my other half says she kills all the flies she possibly can because they keep biting her – what would you suggest?

Now where were we?

Serious mode on:

Still no response to Post 20. maybe it is because mathematics is a factual science and the facts as quoted by Mr E just do not stack up. Alright, I’ve twisted some of my responses but ultimately, it comes down to the facts and figures quoted.

Please may I suggest that if you want a chance of a serious debate on future forums please, please, please, get your basic figures correct?

After all, if you are being funded and you quote these figures, which are clearly wrong, how can we trust the “evidence” of the scientists who are also being funded?

On the matter of funding, this is very concerning and, I’m afraid, typical of people jumping on the bandwagon because a “green lobby must be worth supporting”. You state you are being funded by the government, lottery and your local church and yet you can not even quote simple facts. Please let me know where you get your figures from?

Serious mode off:

I assume, of course, that you do not own a car and that you walk or use public transport.

m1cks

I thought some of the ruder comments on here were prehaps a bit unfair as this is something you believe in and you were only trying to educate us on your beliefs/mis-understanding. problem is you are full of Sh1te as there seems to be no mention of your charity here use the search with the info given and see if you can find any mention!

speye91

Mrs Brady?

rabskyline

alvyn, sook ma boaby and get tae f**CK !!

Abdabz

Thats the funniest thing I have read in yonks When Russ Abbot died I thought comedy went with him.... Did I say Russ Abbot? I meant Benny Hill

Seriously for a min.... This guy is quality BBC material

paulwrxboro

mate your about as welcome as a fart in an astronaut suit....move on

andy_s37

Elwyn,
I'm sat operating a 50MW General Electric gas turbine that produces more CO than my scoob will ever produce. You want me to turn it off? Won't be a problem, maybe your computer will go off then and you can leave us car enthusiats to discuss killing the planet.

Andy.

oblong

The sea is a net sink of co2. It absorbs more co2 than it emits.

It's both

Woody1

Thats what I was thinking, there's a familiarity in this one.

Bloody hilarious though, I'm glued to Scoobynet at the moment

Iwan

Being totally serious here, I do most of the above. I traded down from a Subaru to a more efficient car a couple of years ago, and am planning to trade down again to another even more efficient one in the next few weeks.

I do try to be as environmentally friendly as possible, it feels like I'm doing something that way. But I have to say, my main motivation is purely to save myself money - rather than saving the planet. The fact that saving the planet is often a nice side effect is really just a bonus for me.

I suspect your message will fall on a lot of deaf ears though if you're iaming it squarely at petrolheads, car enthusiasts, and chavs. Fair play for trying though.

jasey

Have you any Idea how many ferrets are accounted for by hunting horses.

Do a search - you'll have a fright - then maybe you should turn your attention to all those horse owners.

And the four legged murderers produce a load of methane too

RUDDY

(goes off to start engine and lets it tick over for 3 hours)

Shark Man

This is either an very excellent troll, or its serious. I'm not sure which is worse.

But, I'll reply formally, and keep it on file. As it'll be handy cut and paste material for when I need to address any issues raised by any other green-lobbyists.

First point CO2. Do you know that every living being with lungs breath outs CO2? That lone fact proves the propaganda that the government is pushing on us in the form of "green tax". A better solution to reduce CO2 would be to cull half the human population across the globe . That is if is actually a problem in the first place; There is as much bona fide evidence to suggest CO2 is not a factor in the current or future global climate than there is evidence to suggest it is a problem. And therein lies the issue, not even the top scientists know for sure. So preaching their gospel (which is biased due to funding sources) is very ignorant indeed.

Mr Whitley, lets consider you points shall wee? Points 1,2 and 3, 4, 6 and 7 which in essence if took en-mass, or via government clampdown would render alot of cars as scrap. Do you actually know the environmental consequences of scrapping a car? and the resources and emission produced stripping and melting it down to recycle the metal? Not to mention the wasted resources, CO2 and other emissions produced to actually create that car in the first place. A car will only get created and scrapped once, to stop using it and dispose of it before the end of its useful life is highly wasteful regarding the earth's resources as another car will have to be built to replace; be it hybrid or electric or whatever; the cost to produce this replacement car will not address the wasted resources and energy caused from the premature scrapping of the car it replaced.

Next point, referring to point 4. Do you come from the future? Is your real name Doc Brown? I refer to you asking us to convert our cars to run on biofuel and hydrogen. Firstly these fuel, especially hydrogen don't yet exist on petrol forecourts (except experimental ones), so even if you did convert, you couldn't use it. Secondly no conversions exist on the mass market that is cost feasible (i.e cost of conversion outweighs the cost of the fuel savings ). LPG conversions have previously proven this, as it is only viable to people who cover high annual mileages. But we should not be using LPG either as that again is a fossil fuel and cost more to produce than petrol diesel.(refer to the energy required to produce fuel from crude oil in a refinery; what do the furnaces run off and what do the ultimately produce?) The resources required to produce Hydrogen are even higher.

Point 5 scares me of the level of ignorance displayed. Do you know about the carcinogens diesel has and produces? With various links to lung diseases, breathing conditions and cancer. To say use diesel instead of petrol because it produces less CO2 per kg burnt is extremely short sighted; it is a main reason why the Japanese shy away from using diesel engines in their hybrid cars; even though they are more fuel efficient and produce less CO2 the carcinogens produced and sides effect from them are more damaging than CO2.

Yes, measure have been taken to reduce these emissions with diesels, but the same has been taken with petrol fuelled vehicles as well; A high performance gas guzzling super car such as a Ferrari produces less harmful emissions that what is produced by an “economic” Citroen 2CV, so why should the Ferrari driver have to bare the brunt of the environmentalists? The industry is adapting to emission concerns, and that has been the case since the mid-1980s, in fact The USA were AHEAD of Europe where they had strict emission control such as catalytic converters fitted on cars running on unleaded fuel since the mid 1970s. Whereas the UK didn't have any form of strict emission control right up until 1992. That's almost 20years! And took over 10years to introduce vehicle that could run on unleaded fuel, taking another 10 years on top to stop supplying it in mass. Yet UK politicians have the audacity to say the USA have done nothing to address pollution, when they were doing it almost 20years before us!

I would like to take a tongue and cheek pop at point 6. The fun fair; travelling circuses use large diesel gen sets to power their rides, a lot of these are very old (using nice old fashioned Gardener engines and the like). The emissions from these out weighs that of taking the car for a drive on the weekend. And don't forget the other environmental damage from litter. As for a fixed site funfair, they still have use motors to power rides upwards of 20kilowatts; to heat the average domestic living room usually needs about 0.7kilowatts. Where does this electric come from; power stations. If its not nuclear where does the energy come from? Fossil fuel; What is produced when it is burnt? CO2 (amongst other things). So a visit to the fair is just offsetting the pollution, so who are you to persecute the motorist who like a weekend drive, yet ignore the consequences of other pastime activities that also pollute?

And finally, Point 7. Public transport; that pollutes too. Its only recent years that London finally ridded themselves of the iconic road masters, somehow I doubt they conformed to EuroIV emission regs. The bus operators near me still operate buses that are 20years old, I sincerely do hope they have been retro-fitted with cleaner engines. After all from my previous mentionings scrapping them is too wasteful And don't forget what I mentioned about emissions from diesels. The same with trains, only recent efforts have been to replace and update aging rolling stock. And even then they are only environmentally friendly when packed; Moving 200odd tons of empty train is grossly inefficient use of resources, plus again, some run on diesel, and the electric ones get their power from where? Refer to my point on funfairs

Putting that paragraph aside. Of course a pack train or bus is far more efficient than all of those passenger put into a multiple of cars. But, live outside of London or any large city, public transport withers and dies. Lack of investment and not enough government subsidy; It's little wonder that travelling during some hours on the train is not that much cheaper than the car. The UK as one of the EU's richest nations also has the most under-invested and expensive public transport infrastructure. Its expensive, it doesn't take you to where you want when you want (due to operator cut backs on frequency and hours, and lack of investment on new routes). France's trains put us to shame, even Malta has a better bus service than what we have in our locality (and if you've ever had the pleasure of using Malta's buses, you'd appreciate my point even more).

Cycling is great, however. How many people work less than five miles from work? In this era fewer people live in the locality of their workplace. The consequences are that your boss wil not have much use if your exhausted before you even start work. Not to mention the sweaty odour (great for customer relations).



Finally (yes, this is nearly the end) your footnote of driving at 45mph, is not always true for all vehicles. For example my one vehicle is a BMW automatic. Not the most efficient of cars, but I have to mention that this car, amongst many others with automatic gearboxes will only use top gear ratio and lock up the torque convertor at or above 50mph, the result in may case that car uses MORE fuel BELOW 50mph. At constant 50mph this 325roung auto can achieve 38mpg, however, at 40mph it drops to 33mpg because the gearbox cannot use its top gear and thus uses more fuel.

Thank for you time to bother reading this.

SM

(takes delivery of Monaro 6.0litre VXR next week )

Sonic'

These foreign insects that have appeared on our shores, are they them polish flies that have been getting everywhere lately ?

scunnered

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"The environmentalist", you quite obviously knows nothing about global climate change, and are only following the propaganda, lies, and misinformation put about by all the major powers in the world as an excuse to raise, and also create new taxes.
I bet if this was back in the fifteenth century you would have been arguing that the world was in fact flat.
Anyway, just to enlighten you as to the real cause of global warming have a read about orbital variation theory.

Global warming/cooling of our climate is caused by something that's been happening since the creation of our planet. The earth's orbit is not linear, it wobbles in three axis, eccentricity, axial tilt, and precession. Global temperature variations and climate change was mapped out for 300,000 years back in the 1800's by a Serbian astrophysicist called Mulatin Milankovitch.
We have no impact whatsoever on climate change, it is influenced in whole by orbital variation and solar activity.


ECCENTRICITY; This is the shape of the earth's orbit around the sun. One full cycle takes approx 100,000 years. Today a difference of only about 3 percent occurs between aphelion (farthest point) and perihelion (closest point). This 3 percent difference in distance means that Earth experiences a 6 percent increase in received solar energy in January than in July. This 6 percent range of variability is not always the case, however. When the Earth's orbit is most elliptical the amount of solar energy received at the perihelion would be in the range of 20 to 30 percent more than at aphelion. Most certainly these continually altering amounts of received solar energy around the globe result in prominent changes in the Earth's climate and glacial regimes. At present the orbital eccentricity is nearly at the minimum of its cycle.

AXIAL TILT: This is the inclination of the Earth's axis in relation to its planetary orbit around the Sun. This tilt ranges from 21.5 degrees to 24.5 degrees and takes around 41,000 years for a complete cycle.
Today the Earth's axial tilt is about 23.5 degrees, which largely accounts for our seasons. Because of the periodic variations of this angle the severity of the Earth's seasons changes. With less axial tilt the Sun's solar radiation is more evenly distributed between winter and summer. However, less tilt also increases the difference in radiation receipts between the equatorial and polar regions. One hypothesis for Earth's reaction to a smaller degree of axial tilt is that it would promote the growth of ice sheets. This response would be due to a warmer winter, in which warmer air would be able to hold more moisture, and subsequently produce a greater amount of snowfall. In addition, summer temperatures would be cooler, resulting in less melting of the winter's accumulation. At present, axial tilt is in the middle of its range.

PRECESSION: This is the earth's slow wobble as it spins on its axis (Like a top wobbling as it slows down). A precession cycle takes approx 23,000 years. It goes from pointing at Polaris as the north star to pointing at Vega. Due to this wobble a climatically significant alteration must take place. When the axis is tilted towards Vega the positions of the Northern Hemisphere winter and summer solstices will coincide with the aphelion and perihelion, respectively. This means that the Northern Hemisphere will experience winter when the Earth is furthest from the Sun and summer when the Earth is closest to the Sun. This coincidence will result in greater seasonal contrasts. At present, the Earth is at perihelion very close to the winter solstice.
At present, only precession is in the glacial mode, with tilt and eccentricity not favourable to glaciation.

So, if we can stop the wobbling of the earth in its orbit, we can stop global climate change. What do you have to say to that then.

StickyMicky

yup

Bubba po

They'll be wanting to ban nocturnal emissions next.

Patt@firstime

FPMSL

carl

LOL, do a Google search before feeding the troll. There is no North Wales Environmental Trust, only a Wales Environmental Trust. Furthermore, if Elwyn is president you'd expect a search for "Elwyn Whittock" to turn up at least one result.

pimmo2000

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LMAO at the Troll