jonathan100

I've had a fight with a supra and come of worse! my sisters fella has a "lightly moded" supra running 650bhp ish. went out for a quick drive. me in my old evo4 gsr him in the supra. down the country roads i was pulling away from him but then it turned into an A road. heard him blip the throtal change down and wooosh he was gone. i was doing about 70 at the time with my foot hard down and he made it look as if i was going backward. on tight roads in the wet u should easely win but on an open road u stand no chance.

ScoobyJawa

I was had a little play (my 390~ bhp auto supra TT) with my mate in his 350bhp (dyno'd) classic wagon. It was p!ssing with rain.....

Standing start and we both gunned it (I had RLTC on and set at wet mode), and lets put it this way, the scooby didn't remotely win and he confessed he was giving it full boot

nice

Hol

iTrader: (1)

He has half an engine and an extra turbo more than you to start off with.

Not a bad advantage


Ive an old school mate who takes his highly modded one to Ten of the Best every year. Its a fast car to be sure, ...



.....on the motorway!!



They are seriously only let down by loss of traction. You have to fit some form of aftermarket traction control in anything past standard.

Its ease of generating power, is therefore its own enemy in anything other than favourable conditions.

ScoobyJawa

It has traction control, its just RLTC is heaps better, only costs a smidge over 500 quid. But then most modern cars have far more technology and still pretty much every decent hot hatch, 4wd, hyper saloon and supercar these days needs it........

eldudereno

I have one brother who has a '97 TT VVTI Supra and another brother with a MY05 WRX. The Supra with BPU is absolutely awesome with fantastic reliability thrown in. What a sound too!

Yes, the RLTC system is essential with BPU and the launch control facility that comes with it doesn't half make you smile.

AudiLover

I dont understand why this guy is baffled as to why people dont fancy his chances of beating a supra in a WRX. Wrx's arent exactly fast are they, there are faster diesel hothatches out there.

ArghJae

I've owned a UK spec Supra and the only reason I bought my sti2 wagon was due to having twins. If it weren't for the babies I would have kept the Supra. It's much nicer to cruise in and it is way faster in a straight, especially getting into 3 figures. Don't get me wrong, the sti is a cracking car and great fine to drive full on, chucking it around corners and more confidence in the wet, but for everyday cruising I prefer the Supra, more reliable, power when needed and a fantastic looking car that I think hasn't gone out of date. Also the fact of increasing BHP by 30% for less than a grand bringing it to BPU. As for the Supra's running singles, well, their turbos eat small kids when they drive past.

My mate still has his and with a simple decat, fuel pump and boost controller he's pushing 450 at the fly, when on straights he leaves me for dust, and as he has Tein suspension the handling round corners just about keeps up with me in the corners. The only real advantage I have is in the wet.

On top of that the Supra is the scariest car I've owned, can't remember how many unintentional drifts and 360's I've pulled in it, still scares me when I drive my mate car.

DiddyWRX

AudiLover errrm, how can I put this

AudiLover

its true though. 10-15 years ago WRX's were great bang for buck, but these days little hothatches **** all over them.

lightning101

So enlighten me as to what standard hot hatch is faster to 60, which, when it comes to it is only 10 miles an hour less than any car is legally allowed to do on UK roads

The Zohan

Please do not feed the trolls
Eventually he wil get bored or a girl/boyfriend and hopefuly get out more

He has psted twice with the intent of someone biting, best left alone imho

lightning101

I wonder how much you'd have to spend on an audi to get the same 4 wheel drive and performance as a basic £16K wrx

AudiLover

You wouldnt have to spend anymoney, it would be a better performer straight out the box.

0-60 times are pointless in the real world, its roll on pace thats important, and seeing as there are circa 1000kg hatchbacks with 180hp for 16k what would your money be on? The greater drivetrain loss and heavier WRX or the lighter hatch?



I dont see how that is trolling. Its bloody obvious that a WRX wouldnt get anywhere near a supra TT. If the subaru in question was a STI then it would be a worthy comparison.

lightning101

0-60 is pointless in the real world ? You've lost me

I can't think of any 16k audi that is any good. Mine cost well over 40K

Rolling performance from 70 upwards would be illegal and stupid.

The Zohan

"its true though. 10-15 years ago WRX's were great bang for buck, but these days little hothatches **** all over them."

and

"dont understand why this guy is baffled as to why people dont fancy his chances of beating a supra in a WRX. Wrx's arent exactly fast are they, there are faster diesel hothatches out there."

I wonder why...

Just checked you profile on your second page of infractions i see - good work
all bar 2 for trolling mate.

as i have said before
If one person calles you a horse, take no notice
If two people call you a horse then have a quick look in the mirror
If three people call you a horse then best get fitted for a sadle and bridle

AudiLover

Audi dont make new cars that cost 16k, and talking used is stupid. Different cars with different objectives.

Im talking 30mph onwards

lightning101

By which time the WRX would already be 3-4 seconds ahead, you'd need some power to claw that back. Then add in normal british weather conditions and you'd be half way down the road while the 180bhp clio waited on tyre replacements

Don't get me wrong I changed from a WRX to an RS4 avant this year and if i'm honest quality wise it's streets ahead in every dept. But the WRX was still a great buy, with 4 wheel drive it can be driven fast by nearly anyone in nearly any weather condtions, its cheap to service and easily tuned. What would touch a subaru that had 30-40K spent on it

Oh and my father owns an VAG dealership, so i'm not remotely biased

AudiLover

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The Chief

And whilst that poxy little hatch is chasig that sky high measly torque figure the WRX romps forward from as little as 2500rpm with its lovely torque curve that a hatch can only dream about.

(not including VXR's ST's and the like)

lightning101

That's brilliant


So can you highlight in large RED letters why 'you' don't drive a lovely new turbocharged 4 wheel drive audi, especially with the great wages that you are apparently on, as posted in NSR job thread ? Seems strange to drive two underpowered barges instead


Imagine being able to tell people you ACTUALLY own one

The Chief

I think EVO rave about one of their long termers the WRX Wagon with PPP, cheap practical and quick point to point, ok maybe a bit flimsy but for the money a great car

AudiLover

Ibiza cupras will give WRX's a hiding

AudiLover

E320CDI underpowered? Underpowered to do what exactly, not get me from A to B in relatively high comfort, with pure ease whilst getting me great MPG?

You poor money wasting boy racers, if you saved up instead of getting a new car everyother year then maybe you could go and get that 911 or aston you dream about

The Chief

As standard - i dont think so

The Zohan

Please do not feed him...

The Chief

Agreed - point taken

The Zohan

I know how tempting it is and often have bite my tongue but you are helping him be a better person in the long run. Kinda tough love really!

AudiLover

Ibiza Cupra

Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 180
Weight without Driver (KG) : 1000
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 182.89
0 - 60 (Secs) : 6.11
0 - 100 (Secs) : 15.67
60 - 100 (Secs) : 9.56
Quarter Mile (Secs) : 14.53
Terminal Speed (MPH) : 96.30
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 14.33
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 98.02

Impreza WRX

Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 227
Weight without Driver (KG) : 1400
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 164.75
0 - 60 (Secs) : 5.98
0 - 100 (Secs) : 16.93
60 - 100 (Secs) : 10.95
Quarter Mile (Secs) : 14.75
Terminal Speed (MPH) : 93.35
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 14.35
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 96.19

Leon Cupra

Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 237
Weight without Driver (KG) : 1370
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 175.77
0 - 60 (Secs) : 6.24
0 - 100 (Secs) : 15.34
60 - 100 (Secs) : 9.10
Quarter Mile (Secs) : 14.61
Terminal Speed (MPH) : 97.56
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 14.41
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 99.27


WRX slower than both Cupras once rolling

DiddyWRX

You're such a tool!

Tell you what Audibummer I'll take a vid tonight of my WRX caining the *** out of my mates Ibiza Cupra on a dual carriageway.

Oh and his is remapped by Revo, front mount intercooler, exhaust, 20psi, induction kit etc, good for 215-220bhp and I can pull on it nicely!

Hush your gums as you know SH IT!

LG John

You all know me - I have little time for Audi****. I also own an Impreza so have no disloyalty there. However, standard new age WRX's are **** slow by todays standards. My old V6 406 pulled on them when rolling and the S2000 would pass them with the roof and windows down!!! As for standard Supra vs standard WRX -omg. I realise, and respect, that diddy totally underestimated the Supra but I hope this thread has been a bit of an eye-opener.