Gumball Death
04 May 2007, 01:10 PM
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Yes chances are the Porsche was speeding, but what if the Golf had pulled out of a junction without looking (for example)
04 May 2007, 01:15 PM
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04 May 2007, 01:19 PM
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I'm not condoning them for a second, and would like to think if the same happened to me i'd be going to the hospital to make sure they were ok.
04 May 2007, 01:26 PM
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Because they have been arrested for abandoning an accident, ie they weren't there when the police turned up! Unless you are saying they weren't driving?! You don't just wait for an ambulance to cart the victims off, you have to stay and give witness statements to the police and most probably be drink and drug tested.
04 May 2007, 01:40 PM
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Because they have been arrested for abandoning an accident, ie they weren't there when the police turned up! Unless you are saying they weren't driving?! You don't just wait for an ambulance to cart the victims off, you have to stay and give witness statements to the police and most probably be drink and drug tested.
Who knows what was going through their minds at the time. Unlikely it was ''we've just killed someone...lets get on with the rally''
I'm just saying there is a big difference between leaving the scene of an accident (which happens alot) and leaving someone dead.
04 May 2007, 01:50 PM
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Personally, yes someone was going to die sooner or later. Seems only by luck and a hefty roll cage that the Reyland Escort crash wasn't fatal a few years back.
Most of us drive fast and most of us have probably endangered others to some greater or lesser extent during our driving life. However, fatal or not and irrespective of guilt, no way would I leave the scene.
Why would they bother anyway, not as if they could deny it was there car as its pretty unique. Unless they thought up some quick theft story. Who knows?
04 May 2007, 03:04 PM
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Just because someone is wealthy enough to compete in the Gumball, it doesn't make them a toff. Some serious prejudices coming out here.
If I had the money, I would have taken part in this event every year it's been running, and I'm not a toff.
Regardless of whether they waited for ambulances or not, they should still have waited for the police.
They obviously ran for very dodgy reasons, whether it be death by dangerous driving, death by drink driving etc.
If I had the money, I would have taken part in this event every year it's been running, and I'm not a toff.
Regardless of whether they waited for ambulances or not, they should still have waited for the police.
They obviously ran for very dodgy reasons, whether it be death by dangerous driving, death by drink driving etc.
04 May 2007, 03:29 PM
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if an accedent happens in england and both partys have the details they need then they do not have to wait for the police to show up! if the accident was fatal (wich it wasnt at the time) then yes you have to wait for the law to show up! you could leave the acciedent legally by phoning an ambulance! leaving your details and taking the other parties details!
although i doubt these pair left there insurance info
although i doubt these pair left there insurance info
04 May 2007, 03:36 PM
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I was informed quite some time ago, that if *anyone* is injured then both parties have to stay at the scene of the accident, until emergency services arrive
It was the police that informed me of this
It was the police that informed me of this
04 May 2007, 04:06 PM
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That is correct for the UK, no idea about abroad although I should be suprised if its any different.
04 May 2007, 05:11 PM
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Having slept on it, and playing devils advocate for a moment. I suppose it's possible they had good reason for doing a runner, if that's what they did. I mean we're talking eastern europe here, very close knit communites, and a couple of rich lads who have (possibly) caused a fatal RTA.
I'm sure the atmosphere after the crash would have been very unpleasant, with friends, relatives etc coming out of the wookwork and being pretty upset/angry. The police in some of these countries can be pretty biased (read - totally corrupt) and I suppose doing a runner and doing the legal fight from the UK might be preferable to being shot but an angry villager, or charged with murder and/or whatever the plod decide to charge them with at the time.
Dunno, just looking at this objectively having been to eastern europe a few times and having extended family there.
I'm sure the atmosphere after the crash would have been very unpleasant, with friends, relatives etc coming out of the wookwork and being pretty upset/angry. The police in some of these countries can be pretty biased (read - totally corrupt) and I suppose doing a runner and doing the legal fight from the UK might be preferable to being shot but an angry villager, or charged with murder and/or whatever the plod decide to charge them with at the time.
Dunno, just looking at this objectively having been to eastern europe a few times and having extended family there.
04 May 2007, 05:25 PM
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i say....
F uck the Gumball. its got too over hyped and too stupid.
It was good back when it first started, underground and cool.
Now its just overly rich ********.... killing people.
F uck the Gumball. its got too over hyped and too stupid.
It was good back when it first started, underground and cool.
Now its just overly rich ********.... killing people.
04 May 2007, 06:35 PM
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Says here they stayed until ambulance arrived...
ITV News - Gumball rally scrapped after fatal crash
ITV News - Gumball rally scrapped after fatal crash
04 May 2007, 06:41 PM
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04 May 2007, 06:41 PM
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Rich ***** and Z list "celebrities", now I am not rich but I am not poverty stricken either, even if I do get become able to get a 911, I wont be joining a load of other owners to drive like a tit across the poorer parts of Europe, its nothing to do with jealousy, I can appreciate someone having a nice car and can respect them for having got to the position to be able to do that, I cannot abide the Gumball ethos though.
You need to act discretely in a Supercar as the car is car is in your face enough.
And that 'Maximillion' bloke, lose the glasses mate you look a prize ****.
You need to act discretely in a Supercar as the car is car is in your face enough.
And that 'Maximillion' bloke, lose the glasses mate you look a prize ****.
04 May 2007, 07:58 PM
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Says here they stayed until ambulance arrived...
ITV News - Gumball rally scrapped after fatal crash
ITV News - Gumball rally scrapped after fatal crash
Two British citizens left the scene of the accident. Shortly afterwards, border authorities found them in another vehicle at the Qafasan border crossing with Albania," he said.
04 May 2007, 09:59 PM
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lol im gonna wait for the smoke to clear before deciding what I think.
Have read many different accounts of the events of the day, some very finger pointing, others seeminly more factual. Unless anyone here is actually 100% aware of the road traffic laws out there, im sure no one can accuratly deicde what SHOULD have been done.
I do however understand and agree with Iwan, stuck in the middle of a country, about to be linched.... Once the people are off to hospital the safe place to be is with others.
One of the stories actually says that they reported the incident at the border, where they surrendered, gave reports, and were arrested later when the news came thru that the man had died.
The whole toffs toffs toffs thing.... oh please... If you had their money, you would not own a performance car. Half the members are on here because they bought a performance car of choice. A Subaru Impreza. Judging a persons morals on their bank balance is a little far fetched I think.
Regarding the legalities, and actual holding of the Gumball, apparently a lot of countries around the world DONT agree, and think that its wrong or just a bunch of toffs.
Just my pennies worth
Have read many different accounts of the events of the day, some very finger pointing, others seeminly more factual. Unless anyone here is actually 100% aware of the road traffic laws out there, im sure no one can accuratly deicde what SHOULD have been done.
I do however understand and agree with Iwan, stuck in the middle of a country, about to be linched.... Once the people are off to hospital the safe place to be is with others.
One of the stories actually says that they reported the incident at the border, where they surrendered, gave reports, and were arrested later when the news came thru that the man had died.
The whole toffs toffs toffs thing.... oh please... If you had their money, you would not own a performance car. Half the members are on here because they bought a performance car of choice. A Subaru Impreza. Judging a persons morals on their bank balance is a little far fetched I think.
Regarding the legalities, and actual holding of the Gumball, apparently a lot of countries around the world DONT agree, and think that its wrong or just a bunch of toffs.
Just my pennies worth
05 May 2007, 12:17 AM
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I was informed 6 weeks ago by the police that as long as you exchange details and wait until the emergency services arrive, uninjured parties can go about their business. Injured parties can also go about their business, but that might have some bearing on any potential liability claims. Emergeny services include police, ambulance and those big red ice cream vans
05 May 2007, 06:47 AM
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I was informed 6 weeks ago by the police that as long as you exchange details and wait until the emergency services arrive, uninjured parties can go about their business. Injured parties can also go about their business, but that might have some bearing on any potential liability claims. Emergeny services include police, ambulance and those big red ice cream vans
05 May 2007, 07:19 AM
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The latest view of the story is that the Golf pulled out in front of the Porsche and 'bang'.
In addition the deaths occured later although the injuries were clearly very serious.
The Porsche may have been travelling within the speed limit and driven legally as claimed, however the Gumball has been an accident waiting to happen from day one, and if it is as incidental as this one then it is by luck rather than any good judgement.
What will not help the Porsche driver is that witnesses have been quoted to see him overtaking at over 150mph during the event.
In addition the deaths occured later although the injuries were clearly very serious.
The Porsche may have been travelling within the speed limit and driven legally as claimed, however the Gumball has been an accident waiting to happen from day one, and if it is as incidental as this one then it is by luck rather than any good judgement.
What will not help the Porsche driver is that witnesses have been quoted to see him overtaking at over 150mph during the event.