Some people can't understand the concept of looking after children!
06 May 2007, 09:51 AM
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06 May 2007, 10:03 AM
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Actually i posted on here about the parental issue....then this monkey came on and hasn't gone since
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06 May 2007, 10:08 AM
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06 May 2007, 11:12 AM
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i think you will find it was the other way round actually scoobless, i posted on here first to say it was unfair to blame the parents before we know all the facts, and then you come along with your PC beliefs, acting like a complete moron.
06 May 2007, 11:17 AM
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How that is PC beliefs is beyond me.
06 May 2007, 11:23 AM
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because youre totally over the top with your beliefs, and i would be willing to put money on it the authorities will see it right and the parents will not be found to be in the wrong. come on have you not been watching this on the news, they are now reporting that the parents were dining just a few metres away, and that is the exact words they are using.
06 May 2007, 11:35 AM
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because youre totally over the top with your beliefs, and i would be willing to put money on it the authorities will see it right and the parents will not be found to be in the wrong. come on have you not been watching this on the news, they are now reporting that the parents were dining just a few metres away, and that is the exact words they are using.
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06 May 2007, 12:12 PM
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do we all now believe everything we read in the papers??
it seems to me that the main cause of this arguement seems to be the different reports we are getting from all the different media outlets.
im man enough to admit that if what youre reading is correct then im in the wrong,but if it is right that they were only a few meters away can you admit that youre wrong?
06 May 2007, 12:37 PM
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Who's to know what the true facts are....i can only go on with what i'm told so far...
Also the mother admitted she went back every 30 mins to check,not the 15 mins that was first stated.
I would be the first in any case to admit im wrong,no shame in that,but even if i was across the road in a pub within sight of my house i wouldn't,children of those ages 2 and 3 need to have adult supervision,But that is what i believe and other people have different views on child care.
Also the mother admitted she went back every 30 mins to check,not the 15 mins that was first stated.
I would be the first in any case to admit im wrong,no shame in that,but even if i was across the road in a pub within sight of my house i wouldn't,children of those ages 2 and 3 need to have adult supervision,But that is what i believe and other people have different views on child care.
06 May 2007, 04:51 PM
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Even if the apartment block was right next to the restaurant (which it was not - the reporting of the location of the children and the restaurant is fairly consistent across all the media) there has to be a question over the leaving of three children aged three and under on their own.
It is against the law here and I am pretty sure it will be against the law in Portugal. I am also pretty sure the law does not have degrees to allow for how far you have travelled when leaving them, once the apartment door is closed they are certainly in breach of the law if not their responsibilities as parents.
The immediate focus must be on the return of their daughter and hopefully once this is happily resolved there is likely to be a case of negligence to answer. Hopefully the parents (and other parents like them) will have learned their lesson well already.
As a parent I also believe that the justification of 'going back to check' is less than convincing. A young child falls out of bed onto a (likely given it a hot resort) tiled floor and bangs their head. Concussion or worse takes a lot less than thirty minutes.
It is against the law here and I am pretty sure it will be against the law in Portugal. I am also pretty sure the law does not have degrees to allow for how far you have travelled when leaving them, once the apartment door is closed they are certainly in breach of the law if not their responsibilities as parents.
The immediate focus must be on the return of their daughter and hopefully once this is happily resolved there is likely to be a case of negligence to answer. Hopefully the parents (and other parents like them) will have learned their lesson well already.
As a parent I also believe that the justification of 'going back to check' is less than convincing. A young child falls out of bed onto a (likely given it a hot resort) tiled floor and bangs their head. Concussion or worse takes a lot less than thirty minutes.
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Even if the apartment block was right next to the restaurant (which it was not - the reporting of the location of the children and the restaurant is fairly consistent across all the media) there has to be a question over the leaving of three children aged three and under on their own.
It is against the law here and I am pretty sure it will be against the law in Portugal. I am also pretty sure the law does not have degrees to allow for how far you have travelled when leaving them, once the apartment door is closed they are certainly in breach of the law if not their responsibilities as parents.
The immediate focus must be on the return of their daughter and hopefully once this is happily resolved there is likely to be a case of negligence to answer. Hopefully the parents (and other parents like them) will have learned their lesson well already.
It is against the law here and I am pretty sure it will be against the law in Portugal. I am also pretty sure the law does not have degrees to allow for how far you have travelled when leaving them, once the apartment door is closed they are certainly in breach of the law if not their responsibilities as parents.
The immediate focus must be on the return of their daughter and hopefully once this is happily resolved there is likely to be a case of negligence to answer. Hopefully the parents (and other parents like them) will have learned their lesson well already.
There still is the question of who knew the kids were alone....the apartment was broken into so there must have been some f**k tracking them.
Lets see how the PJ handle this.
06 May 2007, 09:33 PM
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Even if the apartment block was right next to the restaurant (which it was not - the reporting of the location of the children and the restaurant is fairly consistent across all the media) there has to be a question over the leaving of three children aged three and under on their own.
It is against the law here and I am pretty sure it will be against the law in Portugal. I am also pretty sure the law does not have degrees to allow for how far you have travelled when leaving them, once the apartment door is closed they are certainly in breach of the law if not their responsibilities as parents.
The immediate focus must be on the return of their daughter and hopefully once this is happily resolved there is likely to be a case of negligence to answer. Hopefully the parents (and other parents like them) will have learned their lesson well already.
As a parent I also believe that the justification of 'going back to check' is less than convincing. A young child falls out of bed onto a (likely given it a hot resort) tiled floor and bangs their head. Concussion or worse takes a lot less than thirty minutes.
It is against the law here and I am pretty sure it will be against the law in Portugal. I am also pretty sure the law does not have degrees to allow for how far you have travelled when leaving them, once the apartment door is closed they are certainly in breach of the law if not their responsibilities as parents.
The immediate focus must be on the return of their daughter and hopefully once this is happily resolved there is likely to be a case of negligence to answer. Hopefully the parents (and other parents like them) will have learned their lesson well already.
As a parent I also believe that the justification of 'going back to check' is less than convincing. A young child falls out of bed onto a (likely given it a hot resort) tiled floor and bangs their head. Concussion or worse takes a lot less than thirty minutes.
06 May 2007, 11:19 PM
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they can also be injured in seconds when they are being looked after!
07 May 2007, 12:47 AM
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some complete crap on here - the odds of something happening to the kids while the parents are 40 yards away is MILLIONS to one.....otherwose it wouldnt be news worthy.
The odds of the kids getting killed driving to the airport to go on holiday are far higher - so anyone who puts their kids in a car is exposing them to far greater risk than this couple did by going for dinner.
My kids play in the garden and are not supervised at all times - they also travel on UK roads.......both are acceptable to risks.
The odds of the kids getting killed driving to the airport to go on holiday are far higher - so anyone who puts their kids in a car is exposing them to far greater risk than this couple did by going for dinner.
My kids play in the garden and are not supervised at all times - they also travel on UK roads.......both are acceptable to risks.
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07 May 2007, 12:56 AM
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So you think 2 and 3 yr old kids being left on their own are perfectly fine? How come there are laws against it then? You think its millions to one for a 3yr old child left on their own to fall over and hurt themselves such as banging their head while unsupervised? Wake up.
07 May 2007, 01:00 AM
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How about bouncing on the bed and falling off for starters. How about going into the bathroom and climbing on the toilet and sink and slipping? All things my 2.5 yr old attempts and would seriously hurt himself if left unattended to do these things.
07 May 2007, 07:42 AM
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Some of the so called parents attitude on here is worrying...how anyone can justify leaving a couple of 2 yr olds and a 3 yr old in an apartment by themselves whilst they are 200yrds away..
This is what i found on the NSPCC site...
Never leave a baby or very young child alone at home, whether asleep or awake, even for a few minutes. It doesn't take long for unsupervised young children or babies to injure themselves.
Most children under 13 should not be left for more than a short period.
No child under 16 should be left overnight.
This is what i found on the NSPCC site...
Never leave a baby or very young child alone at home, whether asleep or awake, even for a few minutes. It doesn't take long for unsupervised young children or babies to injure themselves.
Most children under 13 should not be left for more than a short period.
No child under 16 should be left overnight.
07 May 2007, 08:00 AM
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Does anyone think that if/when the daughter gets returned to the family, mum and dad will leave them unattended again?
Thought not.
And there's the answer to this puzzle.
Thought not.
And there's the answer to this puzzle.
07 May 2007, 08:03 AM
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some complete crap on here - the odds of something happening to the kids while the parents are 40 yards away is MILLIONS to one.....otherwose it wouldnt be news worthy.
The odds of the kids getting killed driving to the airport to go on holiday are far higher - so anyone who puts their kids in a car is exposing them to far greater risk than this couple did by going for dinner.
My kids play in the garden and are not supervised at all times - they also travel on UK roads.......both are acceptable to risks.
The odds of the kids getting killed driving to the airport to go on holiday are far higher - so anyone who puts their kids in a car is exposing them to far greater risk than this couple did by going for dinner.
My kids play in the garden and are not supervised at all times - they also travel on UK roads.......both are acceptable to risks.
In this case the parents seemed to be further than 'crying distance' away.
Maybe you can share your enlightened attitude with us and what guidelines you follow such as how far a parent can go away and for how long.
Is it 40yards and an hour at two. Why not half a mile and two hours, they are asleep after all and the odds of something happening are millions to one.
In fact if it is millions to one then why not go out for a full night and get bladdered. At least when you get home you will be too pissed to worry about any hysterical crying there might be.
07 May 2007, 08:54 AM
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Some of the so called parents attitude on here is worrying...how anyone can justify leaving a couple of 2 yr olds and a 3 yr old in an apartment by themselves whilst they are 200yrds away..
This is what i found on the NSPCC site...
Never leave a baby or very young child alone at home, whether asleep or awake, even for a few minutes. It doesn't take long for unsupervised young children or babies to injure themselves.
Most children under 13 should not be left for more than a short period.
No child under 16 should be left overnight.
This is what i found on the NSPCC site...
Never leave a baby or very young child alone at home, whether asleep or awake, even for a few minutes. It doesn't take long for unsupervised young children or babies to injure themselves.
Most children under 13 should not be left for more than a short period.
No child under 16 should be left overnight.
Having kids is just too easy you only have to look around to see examples of poor parenting every day
I know it took some sick f**k (by rhe looks of it) to take the girl. The thing is they where given the opportunity to do so!
07 May 2007, 11:59 AM
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This is what i found on the NSPCC site...
Most children under 13 should not be left for more than a short period.
No child under 16 should be left overnight.
Most children under 13 should not be left for more than a short period.
No child under 16 should be left overnight.
Dear oh dear. I can count the number of times i went riding to the shop on my own to get some sweets at the age of 11. Guess that makes my parents irresponsible. And lol at 15 i'm sure i knew how to go to bed and wipe my own ars*.
This really goes to show Scoobyless how neurotic and paranid you are. your kids must have a great time with you at the keyboard alday playing that warcraft and then being chained to the monitor for fear of weirdos lol!!
Obviously alot of people on here think the same as you. Reading Mr Hapgood's pathetic post on fleeing his house when he sold a dodgy car just sums it up. Paranoid and wimpish
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07 May 2007, 12:08 PM
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Never leave a baby or very young child alone at home, whether asleep or awake, even for a few minutes. It doesn't take long for unsupervised young children or babies to injure themselves.
Most children under 13 should not be left for more than a short period.
No child under 16 should be left overnight.
Most children under 13 should not be left for more than a short period.
No child under 16 should be left overnight.
children under 13 bit states for a short time, i recon that covers riding to the shop
I understand this is an emotive subject, we have two small children however, can we stop this getting personal, insulting and in some cases threatening!
as a responsible parent i cannot see how or why i would want to or feel it right to leave my 3 y/o alone in a strange room in a strange country for any period of time, even at home i very much doubnt i would leave them unattended in similar circumstances without proper adult supervision. That's me and that is how i am.
Our kids are not wrapped in cotton wall or treated like they are made of glass.
They are looked after and cared for in a way i see fit and proper and this does not include leaving small children alone.
This is not a pop at the parents as the full facts are not known, this is how I feel
07 May 2007, 01:01 PM
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Dear oh dear. I can count the number of times i went riding to the shop on my own to get some sweets at the age of 11. Guess that makes my parents irresponsible. And lol at 15 i'm sure i knew how to go to bed and wipe my own ars*.
This really goes to show Scoobyless how neurotic and paranid you are. your kids must have a great time with you at the keyboard alday playing that warcraft and then being chained to the monitor for fear of weirdos lol!!
Obviously alot of people on here think the same as you. Reading Mr Hapgood's pathetic post on fleeing his house when he sold a dodgy car just sums it up. Paranoid and wimpish .
This really goes to show Scoobyless how neurotic and paranid you are. your kids must have a great time with you at the keyboard alday playing that warcraft and then being chained to the monitor for fear of weirdos lol!!
Obviously alot of people on here think the same as you. Reading Mr Hapgood's pathetic post on fleeing his house when he sold a dodgy car just sums it up. Paranoid and wimpish
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