StickyMicky

here is a picture of the cars "appearance" when this incident happened





you are soo full of **** IMO

i have since stripped it all down and painted it all white, as the "sarge" telling me i supposedly nearly knocked him off his cycle the previous week made me think they were going to start taking the **** ot of me

The Zohan

It is just a tale of woe, how would you approach this one Felix, i am interested to hear the way forward

The Zohan

**** me you are not going to miss that in a hurry

SJ_Skyline

Micky - was that before or after the police left it in a state?

StickyMicky

that was before i`m afriad

you never know, there might have ben a large fleet of identical cars roaming the streets, stealing lorrys like in fast and the furious

we all know why the coppers pulled me over, so felix the "do-good" can swivel on this one

The Zohan

Looks like it needs a good wash, loads of red bits appear to be stuck to it, anyone know a good car wash in Mickey's area?

StickyMicky

it was the most effective advertising product i have used so far to be honest


i just couldn't be bothered with the hassle longterm

brought in more work then my 2kplus yellow pages advert for sure

Felix.

7 years service on Police Response – 1 CC commendation, no recordable complaints.

Like I said before, don’t tarnish everyone with the same brush; the things I deal with are done right and to the approval of the victims – they might not like the outcome, but they can’t say to me that nothing was done.

Eldest son assaulted in town, bottle broken over his head: No follow up. Was this reported to police at the time by the son. What was done at the time. What were his injuries. Any suspects, was a statement obtained. If it’s a case that he phoned the police and nothing was done then that is clearly wrong. I have quite a few incidents where complaints have been made about lack of police action – but I can prove to them that the victim refused police involvement, refused his details and has eventually given us an address which he is never at. Now I’m not saying that that is the case here – but it does give you a reflection of what sometimes happens

Thefts from garages are often assessed on the phone by some forces – if details can be taken on the phone, why do you need a police response.

Threatened with a knife and assaulted – should have had a better response, but did they give a reason why it took so long. Is it a case that they did attend but you were not in? We have 15-20 officers on our shift and on a busy night we can all be tied up with various incidents

Felix.

VODS check on the car and trace it - if it’s not on false plates.

Ideal on for ANPR and identification of the suspects via CCTV & ANPR - but as another thread says we shouldn't be using CCTV then perhaps we should ignore this line of enquiry.

Ever thought about housing the alarm in a different place.

What happened to the complaint - like I say they would need a valid reason to search the car

The Zohan

Thanks for the response to both posts Felix

StickyMicky

the alarm is there primarily to prevent one car from rolling back into the exit of the carwash into another still in the wash, it needs reset at the exit end as you need to physically need to check the exit "beams" before pressing the reset button


the complaint, well that was pretty much a bit of a mess about, i do believe i indicated on the forms i wanted all dealings to be done via letter, i have the file still at home, what this entailed was police calling round in person "to have a chat" while i was not home and leaving letters in my letterbox, one was written on paper, the other was printed, none on any kind of police headed notepaper i ignored these including the one where a policeman gave his mobile number so i could "call him for a chat" WTF


the complaints commission asked for the details of the "case" so i explained, and then they passed it on to somebody else, i believe some kind of police "boss" for the sarge in question, who then started asking for the details all over again, and again, and again, this was taking months and months and in the end i just gave up due to the complete waste of MY TIME yet again.

i should still have everything in the file at home, including the policemans mobile number

StickyMicky

ohh and i think its ironic that the police where here a few weeks back wanting MY help for something else, and wanting to take one of my lads away from work so he could give a statement or something.

he did not go...........

PeteBrant

Of course you are - You don't have a choice.

The government sets targets
The Chief Constables pass it down
The Superintendents pass it down
The Sargeants pass it down and so it.

It's the same in every public service. I have seen it happen in the NHS no end - Decisions being taken on meeting the target as opposed as to what is best for the patient.

Felix.

I have never been told to ensure I do this that and the other because we need to meet targets.

The calls come in and we respond to them. If I have investigations which need to be done, then I do them – I have never been told not to carry investigations because the targets are low today.

SJ_Skyline

Felix - fair enough but it doesn't matter one iota what you say if the public's perception is one of the police being governed by targets. I believe that over the last few years there has been a fundamental breakdown of trust between the public and the authorities, paraphrased in this thread with Micky's employee choosing not to make a statement.

In order to make a difference, the police need to win the hearts and minds of the public. The current policies and methods do not appear to be enabling this.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

This is what I say, ad infinitum. The police are fast losing what little remained of the respect and support of the middle classes, and it's the silliness of their responses to different crimes , as noted in various posts above, that's wrecking it for them.

The rank and file seem to care. SOME inspectors seem to care. the rest? Well they don't appear to give a toss, so nowt gets done.

For the record: Eldest son assaulted> we gave them names. None were ver visited. we had no follow up.

MTB stolen: crime number given.

Youngest son assaulted and threatened with knife> we gave them the names of two of the three perpetrators, AND their present location, while they COULD (and probably WOULD) have had the knife on them. No response. By the time anyone went to their houses, they ALL denied having had a knife, despite my lad and his girl having BOTH seen it, no action.

They WERE eventually done for assault, but only (I believe) because I kicked up a stink about the original slow response.

Alcazar

logiclee

We caught a Father and his 14 year old son stealing cables from our site, the cctv clearly showed them coiling the cable up.

Someone at work identified them from the CCTV footage. The replacemant cost of the cable was £6000.

The police took 5 days to attend, they visited the guys house but the cable had already been sold for scrap.
The police have taken it no further as the CCTV does not show the cable being removed from site and the guy did not have the stolen cable on his property. Of course he had 5 days to get rid of it.

The day after the robbery they had a four car team doing speed/tax/registration/insurance checks in through the local village. Surely one car could have been deployed to a £6000 robbery?

Cheers
Lee

Leslie

Felix,

In spite of the theoretical reasons you keep coming up with, it just will not wash. There is little sign of any common sense being applied and when you are dealing with people that is a vital part of the whole business.

All the incidents reported by people here indicate a distinct lack of real effort on the part of the police until some kind of pressure is applied. That should just not be necessary. When we see tales of peoples' cars being checked down to the last detail in the hope of finding something wrong, and a woman having to have a rear light bulb fitted by a garage in order to get a certificate, then things are floating off into "cloud cuckoo land"! What is wrong with turning up at a copshop and demonstrating that the rear lights now work, if it must be checked?

All this is sheer PC style obstructionism and if it continues this way you can kiss any cooperation from people goodbye. It has been said by the police that it is impossible to police the country successfully without that!

About time you got the message through to your PC senior officers so many of whom spend their lives guarding their careers at the expense of the real job!

Les

PeteBrant

You see, if targets aren't to blame for this sort of thing, then what is?

Reality

So - Do you take the calls and prioritise them ? - Surely this is where the problem lies with Joe Public getting a **** poor deal from the Government and their "targets" !

monkeyboy840

I think the problem is the public live in a sugar coated topping of the world around them.

Police do have priorities as states. If there is nothing to investigate then theres no need for a cop to come to your door. It is these reasons that people never see cops.

someone reports kids playing football on the green outside their house. Police have to attend. Now I would rather be somewhere else doing soemthing better but I have no choice. When I get there they want to talk to me for half an hour about kids playing football being a nuisance.
I'm sure if the same kids were stealing from cars etc they would be alot more concerned.

Yesterday I went to a call from a mother who stated her eight year old boy had hit her..............................................
No injuries, ridiculous, but I have to attend. Thanks to the governements national crime recording standards (read about it sometime its a farce) when I get there the mother is half pissed so I have to get somebody else from the family to take care of the kiddy whilst I speak with social services about the mother.

Social services dont give a toss and after 2 hours i've got nowhere.

that job alone took up three and a half hours of my day.

then a 10 year old shoplifter comes in for me to deal with. He stole 89p worth of sweets!!!! but has previous for doing this. so 4 and a half hours later after getting parents in for interview etc I start the paper work which takes about and hour and a half.
End of day for me again a wasted day. got non of the original paperwork done I already have and i just have more to deal with now

etc etc etc


I know i am biased but the Police have a very difficult job. Prioriting whats worth attending and dealing with to start helps. Never mind the endless crap we get from people about them paying our wages etc etc (I pay taxes to so in theory i pay my own wages ).

Anyways in 18 months time I wont care because I'm leaving the Police force, this country and pissing off to new zealand.

Cant wait

Thats my rant for the day


to the original poster, I agree with your comments as I would be pissed off with those responses.

StickyMicky

^^^^^^

so why is stopping me from doing my daily banking and checking for weapons a higher priority, then a gang of people trying to steal my days takings ???

because one is easier i would imagine

this actual site about 6/7 years ago was having cash taken from it weekly for "protection" from THE biggest "gang" in the north east, search if you like via google but i`m not stupid enough to start adding names to posts, i know for a fact that they are still doing all the local handwash places right at this very moment!!!

my mate even saw them running over half the staff at one of them with a rangerover because the poor bloke running it wouldnt give them a free wash

the police did next to NOTHING to actually help the bloke getting "dipped" at my site, instead they used to follow the bloke who was running the franchise and try and nick him for speeding/drink driving/whatever they could to try and get him to testify against this massive gang.

he ended up leaving the site because of this, who in there right mind would testify against them, jesus the bloke down the road who owns ramage transport actually did, and now has private 24/7 protection and his car has bullet proof glass

we had his sons audi in for cleaning once and even his son has body guards

Luminous

iTrader: (3)

I would have thought that my point was reasonably obvious. At the end of the day you have to consider what the point is of any actions you take. If you meet a reasonable person who does not there is a problem, what is the harm with letting them just sort it out? There is a huge difference in perception by the members of the public depending on how these issues are dealt with.

My expectations would be for the officer to pull the car over and point out the minor issue (3 brake lights, one not working). Owner says, "really sorry, had no idea, I'll go and fix it now pointing to Haulfords". Imo, that should be it. Owner gets on their way, job done, problem over. Everyone is happy.

Jobsworth says oh no, not good enough. Pulls out the HORT/1 and VDRS. What is the point in that? It is going to cost the owner time and money to sort. Just pointless hassle. Last I heard was the police force had some sort of performance monitoring, issuing forms like these scores points towards a monthly expected target.

It makes the police force seem overly pedantic, annoying and out of touch with how people live (just how many people manage to check their own brake lights!). It all seems to be about fines, forms, statistics, and being seen to do a good job according to targets.

It is incredibly hard to set performance targets in any profession. Having print outs at the end of the month to show how many points officers have accrued is just not helpful. You can never measure a good officer by ticking boxes.

I blame the government, and my complaint is with them. The police I have met over my life have slowly become more like this. I am sure it is their training/ requirements, and not the fact that officers have suddenly decided to see how many members of the public can they annoy today!

_RIP_

After reading this piece of PC rubbish, I'd say you'll certainly go far in our present p****e force. Unfortunately for us all

_RIP_

Yep, he's been clocked good an proper, but oh, amazingly he doesn’t seem to listen or care. An excuse for everything has this one. He’ll certainly make a good (typical!) politician one day. A bit like his waste of space gaffers

Wakey, wakey Felix, we don’t trust ‘you’ anymore, you or any of your ilk. You want to change this view, well start by cleaning the crap out of your ears and listening to us rather than saying 'we're not all bad eggs, honest’. The general consensus, and this matters imo, is that we seemingly think you ‘are’ all a waste of space.

Felix.

Especially for the owner. Who has just stolen the car or has no insurance, MOT, licence or is a disqual driver. He drives away with no intention of getting the light fixed and is stopped by another police officer 2 days later who does the same thing. So he drives away again…..

The Zohan

And this is where common sense and intuition play a part as well.

Felix, i doubt if anyone wants the police to fail (maybe a few scumbags)but they are seen as failing the very people who they are there to protect and uphold the law and also pay the wages and fund the force (via taxes).

logiclee

Felix,

As much as you think the force is not driven by targets that's not the view of your senior officers.
I run a local resident association and we often have private and open discussions with Inspectors and Chief Inspectors and their view is targets do directly affect day to day policing.
Responses actions and follow up (ie Policing policy) are prioritised to get results for Government targets and not for the benfit of the community or to win public support.

Cheers
Lee

Felix.

Indeed. And common sense would suggest that if you have stopped a car, why not spend a few minutes ensuring the car and driver are legal. You will be amazed how many disqual drivers are on the roads, stolem vehicles etc.

Felix.

Response actions are dictated by the nature of the call. If a shout comes in for a break in progress they are not going to say that we can’t attend because is not one of the targets.

The jobs we go to will often require further follow up enquires. Again, we will never be told not to do these and concentrate on targets instead.

I don’t know what targets they have mentioned to you, but we have never been told of targets to aim for and it is the response units which police the town – not the inspectors.