EVO MR FQ400
29 May 2007, 10:12 PM
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lol.
So you are telling me you can take an FQ300 or other model up to a 400bhp threshold with complete build quality and total reliability for less than the FQ400 base price. Please do explain.
So I take it you are going to do more than just bolt on a massive turbo and take it to somebody for a remap!!
I'm talking. Alcon brakes, clutch, forged pistions, Motec M800 Eco mapped to use antilag and will full failsafe and air/fuel mixtures at optimal running levels, diffs, tyres, suspension and then a warranty, turbo and turbo extras.
Oh and all this without one single engine failure in three years or else a full no quibble re-build at the expense of the tuning shop??
Good luck!!
So you are telling me you can take an FQ300 or other model up to a 400bhp threshold with complete build quality and total reliability for less than the FQ400 base price. Please do explain.
So I take it you are going to do more than just bolt on a massive turbo and take it to somebody for a remap!!
I'm talking. Alcon brakes, clutch, forged pistions, Motec M800 Eco mapped to use antilag and will full failsafe and air/fuel mixtures at optimal running levels, diffs, tyres, suspension and then a warranty, turbo and turbo extras.
Oh and all this without one single engine failure in three years or else a full no quibble re-build at the expense of the tuning shop??
Good luck!!
There are numerous Evos running big power with complete reliability which have cost a lot less than the 400.
29 May 2007, 10:18 PM
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lol.
So you are telling me you can take an FQ300 or other model up to a 400bhp threshold with complete build quality and total reliability for less than the FQ400 base price. Please do explain.
So I take it you are going to do more than just bolt on a massive turbo and take it to somebody for a remap!!
I'm talking. Alcon brakes, clutch, forged pistions, Motec M800 Eco mapped to use antilag and will full failsafe and air/fuel mixtures at optimal running levels, diffs, tyres, suspension and then a warranty, turbo and turbo extras.
Oh and all this without one single engine failure in three years or else a full no quibble re-build at the expense of the tuning shop??
Good luck!!
So you are telling me you can take an FQ300 or other model up to a 400bhp threshold with complete build quality and total reliability for less than the FQ400 base price. Please do explain.
So I take it you are going to do more than just bolt on a massive turbo and take it to somebody for a remap!!
I'm talking. Alcon brakes, clutch, forged pistions, Motec M800 Eco mapped to use antilag and will full failsafe and air/fuel mixtures at optimal running levels, diffs, tyres, suspension and then a warranty, turbo and turbo extras.
Oh and all this without one single engine failure in three years or else a full no quibble re-build at the expense of the tuning shop??
Good luck!!
Gangsta, an FQ320 Mapped with Ecutek will you see you around 370-380 with similar torque, yes the FQ400 has the stronger internals/brakes etc, ECU, you can have anti-lag mapped with Ecutek also remeber, my point was, you can buy a 320 for what? i guess 17-18k now, go figure, what would you rather do?? Evos are strong cars, they`ll TAKE 380 all day long...
29 May 2007, 10:23 PM
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Evo IXs routinely do 400 BHP on a variety of dynos with only a reflash, fuel pump, exhaust, inlet mods. The transmission, chassis, suspension are the same as the VIII FQ 400. The clutch is not, and neither are the engine internals. The 400 is not a "Mitsubishi" model, but is done as a partnership by the UK importer, Rampage/HKS and Owen. It is certainly no better than what good aftermarket tuners can do, just it has the Mitsubishi UK importers warranty, which if you read on the MLR lets many down. Many FQ400 owners have had worse reliability than modified stock turbo/engine cars running the same performance with parts issues keeping their cars off the road for months.
The MLR did a test between the FQ340 and 400 and found that there was a huge loss in the midrange on the 400 that it took some time to get back. 30-130 MLR days have shown that the FQ400 is not a sparkling performer compared with mildly modified IXs.
The standard Evo turbo has been known to put full weight cars into the high 10s on the quarter mile running 2.3 bar on a standard engine. The standard pistons are reckoned by Simon Norris to be good for 500 BHP, but the rods are suspect at high torque levels. The FQ360 however, which runs a standard engine and turbo runs slightly more torque than the FQ400. The MIVEC and smaller turbo give it a much wider power band.
I'm not anti-FQ400, but I chose a similarly priced, newer, better condition IX FQ340 in preference when I had the choice and would do the same again.
£120 (decat pipe and Walbro) spent by a friend on an VIII MR FQ320 got it to within 20 BHP of an FQ400. It runs very smoothly at conservative boost levels to do this. Took me about 90 minutes to map it. A similar IX FQ would do 10-20 BHP more, the upper end if the full exhaust system is changed rather than just the decat pipe.
The MLR did a test between the FQ340 and 400 and found that there was a huge loss in the midrange on the 400 that it took some time to get back. 30-130 MLR days have shown that the FQ400 is not a sparkling performer compared with mildly modified IXs.
The standard Evo turbo has been known to put full weight cars into the high 10s on the quarter mile running 2.3 bar on a standard engine. The standard pistons are reckoned by Simon Norris to be good for 500 BHP, but the rods are suspect at high torque levels. The FQ360 however, which runs a standard engine and turbo runs slightly more torque than the FQ400. The MIVEC and smaller turbo give it a much wider power band.
I'm not anti-FQ400, but I chose a similarly priced, newer, better condition IX FQ340 in preference when I had the choice and would do the same again.
£120 (decat pipe and Walbro) spent by a friend on an VIII MR FQ320 got it to within 20 BHP of an FQ400. It runs very smoothly at conservative boost levels to do this. Took me about 90 minutes to map it. A similar IX FQ would do 10-20 BHP more, the upper end if the full exhaust system is changed rather than just the decat pipe.
29 May 2007, 10:30 PM
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Oh, the wheels/tyres on the FQ400 are the same as every VIII MR and IX.
To my mind, the MoTeC M800 holds no advantage at all over the stock Mitsubishi ECU for a road car, and some disadvantages in terms of knock control, starting etc. Having mapped an M800 on my Subaru (the comparison is valid because the ECU is the same with a different plug for the Mitsubishi) and disassembled and put custom program code in the Mitsubishi ECU I suspect if an FQ400 project was being done by the importer with what is now understood about the OEM ECU, then that would be used, not the MoTeC. It was only with the Evo IX that the importer started using Ecutek to do the FQ models.
To my mind, the MoTeC M800 holds no advantage at all over the stock Mitsubishi ECU for a road car, and some disadvantages in terms of knock control, starting etc. Having mapped an M800 on my Subaru (the comparison is valid because the ECU is the same with a different plug for the Mitsubishi) and disassembled and put custom program code in the Mitsubishi ECU I suspect if an FQ400 project was being done by the importer with what is now understood about the OEM ECU, then that would be used, not the MoTeC. It was only with the Evo IX that the importer started using Ecutek to do the FQ models.
29 May 2007, 10:34 PM
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Evo IXs routinely do 400 BHP on a variety of dynos with only a reflash, fuel pump, exhaust, inlet mods. The transmission, chassis, suspension are the same as the VIII FQ 400. The clutch is not, and neither are the engine internals. The 400 is not a "Mitsubishi" model, but is done as a partnership by the UK importer, Rampage/HKS and Owen. It is certainly no better than what good aftermarket tuners can do, just it has the Mitsubishi UK importers warranty, which if you read on the MLR lets many down. Many FQ400 owners have had worse reliability than modified stock turbo/engine cars running the same performance with parts issues keeping their cars off the road for months.
The MLR did a test between the FQ340 and 400 and found that there was a huge loss in the midrange on the 400 that it took some time to get back. 30-130 MLR days have shown that the FQ400 is not a sparkling performer compared with mildly modified IXs.
The standard Evo turbo has been known to put full weight cars into the high 10s on the quarter mile running 2.3 bar on a standard engine. The standard pistons are reckoned by Simon Norris to be good for 500 BHP, but the rods are suspect at high torque levels. The FQ360 however, which runs a standard engine and turbo runs slightly more torque than the FQ400. The MIVEC and smaller turbo give it a much wider power band.
I'm not anti-FQ400, but I chose a similarly priced, newer, better condition IX FQ340 in preference when I had the choice and would do the same again.
£120 (decat pipe and Walbro) spent by a friend on an VIII MR FQ320 got it to within 20 BHP of an FQ400. It runs very smoothly at conservative boost levels to do this. Took me about 90 minutes to map it. A similar IX FQ would do 10-20 BHP more, the upper end if the full exhaust system is changed rather than just the decat pipe.
The MLR did a test between the FQ340 and 400 and found that there was a huge loss in the midrange on the 400 that it took some time to get back. 30-130 MLR days have shown that the FQ400 is not a sparkling performer compared with mildly modified IXs.
The standard Evo turbo has been known to put full weight cars into the high 10s on the quarter mile running 2.3 bar on a standard engine. The standard pistons are reckoned by Simon Norris to be good for 500 BHP, but the rods are suspect at high torque levels. The FQ360 however, which runs a standard engine and turbo runs slightly more torque than the FQ400. The MIVEC and smaller turbo give it a much wider power band.
I'm not anti-FQ400, but I chose a similarly priced, newer, better condition IX FQ340 in preference when I had the choice and would do the same again.
£120 (decat pipe and Walbro) spent by a friend on an VIII MR FQ320 got it to within 20 BHP of an FQ400. It runs very smoothly at conservative boost levels to do this. Took me about 90 minutes to map it. A similar IX FQ would do 10-20 BHP more, the upper end if the full exhaust system is changed rather than just the decat pipe.
29 May 2007, 10:34 PM
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It does 0-100 in the 9s, not a quarter mile. Doesn't sound so impressive when you realise the standard FQ340 is within a second of it. A quarter mile in 9 secs in a full weight car would need about 800++ BHP going by Norris results, some Evos do high 9s on about 600 BHP (at about 150mph LOL), GT35R territory at least, and this is on drag radials on prepped tracks.
29 May 2007, 10:43 PM
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Well said John, as i`ve said, a 9 would be my choive without doubt, but as i also said, the 400 will and always have it`s certain lust/collecter factor like any limited edition...
29 May 2007, 11:07 PM
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The classic STI will be quicker to accelerate at any remotely sane speed - it is 10% lighter, and even with several feet of exhaust manifold will still have a wider power band than the FQ400 if it has been done properly.
29 May 2007, 11:15 PM
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A common misconception!
the lag is not that bad at all ... top gear did the car a massive injustice with that ridiculous test vs a focus or stilo or whatever it was.
There is a tiny amound of lag before the turbo kicks in and then whatever car moved in front of you during that few seconds of lag then becomes a tiny spec in your rear view mirror.
People bang on about these spec C's and Type 25s being quick but the FQ400 makes them both look like morris minors.
the lag is not that bad at all ... top gear did the car a massive injustice with that ridiculous test vs a focus or stilo or whatever it was.
There is a tiny amound of lag before the turbo kicks in and then whatever car moved in front of you during that few seconds of lag then becomes a tiny spec in your rear view mirror.
People bang on about these spec C's and Type 25s being quick but the FQ400 makes them both look like morris minors.
29 May 2007, 11:20 PM
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hate to disagree but the lag is bad, even the bleedin devolpers of the turbo for it say it is (owne devlopments) had a very intersteing conversation with the top man himself in jan at autosport. short version is mitsubishi said the turbo had to come in after 3250 to prevent gearbox and driveshafts failing, so hence the lag
agree
30 May 2007, 03:34 PM
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Thinking of a change then?
Last edited by GazTheHat; 30 May 2007 at 03:45 PM. Reason: Just realised thread length and others have said similar.
30 May 2007, 04:17 PM
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A common misconception!
the lag is not that bad at all ... top gear did the car a massive injustice with that ridiculous test vs a focus or stilo or whatever it was.
There is a tiny amound of lag before the turbo kicks in and then whatever car moved in front of you during that few seconds of lag then becomes a tiny spec in your rear view mirror.
People bang on about these spec C's and Type 25s being quick but the FQ400 makes them both look like morris minors.
the lag is not that bad at all ... top gear did the car a massive injustice with that ridiculous test vs a focus or stilo or whatever it was.
There is a tiny amound of lag before the turbo kicks in and then whatever car moved in front of you during that few seconds of lag then becomes a tiny spec in your rear view mirror.
People bang on about these spec C's and Type 25s being quick but the FQ400 makes them both look like morris minors.
30 May 2007, 04:20 PM
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FQ 400 is a track car, you are never going to use its full potential on the road (unless you don't worry about losing you driving licence) so why spend such a large amount on a compromised car. If you want to go Banzi then get a fast bike, a lot cheaper to run and quicker most of the time............... 
To drive on the road you need a fast road car, not a track or rally car. A mate of mine used to drive a rally prepped Audi Quatro, it was great in a rally stage but useless on the road, uncomfortable, Noisy and unreliable.And insurance was a pain too..............
To drive on the road you need a fast road car, not a track or rally car. A mate of mine used to drive a rally prepped Audi Quatro, it was great in a rally stage but useless on the road, uncomfortable, Noisy and unreliable.And insurance was a pain too..............
30 May 2007, 05:35 PM
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Whilst you are all on the subject of tuning the Fq400 can be tuned to pump out nearly 500bhp reliably. Try achieving that in an MR with a 2k budget!!!
30 May 2007, 06:25 PM
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Maybe the Evo would lap a ciruit 1-2 seconds faster then the Type 25 but that's hardly the same as comparing it to a Morris minor
30 May 2007, 06:34 PM
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Nope not driven either of them, but i fail to see how a Type 25 with 415 BHP & 420 Lbs of torque. 0-60 in 3.7 seconds & 0-100 in 8.7 could feel like a morris minor compared to a Evo MR FQ400 with similiar figures.
Maybe the Evo would lap a ciruit 1-2 seconds faster then the Type 25 but that's hardly the same as comparing it to a Morris minor
Maybe the Evo would lap a ciruit 1-2 seconds faster then the Type 25 but that's hardly the same as comparing it to a Morris minor
Ok!
30 May 2007, 06:51 PM
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I`ve driven the 400 and didn`t like it, lag was noticable quite alot, don`t get me wrong it`s a very quick car driven correctly, i.e on the right rev range, i just felt at the time my Tommi Mak i had with Autronic 373 bhp/365torque was a better road car, just my opinion..
30 May 2007, 07:04 PM
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1st off if you buy a FQ400 i don't think maintenance cost is one of your issues
the FQ400 is a british mitsubishi engineering project hence this statement:
The car was the brainchild of Mitsubishi Motors UK’s Sales & Marketing Director, Lance Bradley. "The new Lancer Evolution VIII MR FQ-400 is the ultimate expression of who and what we are as a brand. This is a versatile four-door saloon that can out accelerate supercars costing almost ten times as much."
never riden in a fq 400 but i have been in a few gt35 and 42 r Evos that laid down over 650 to the wheels, fast is a understatement. the lag is no as bad but once they are spooled up the are gone. i remember the episode of top gear with the fq 400 and the lamborghini. once the car is off boost its pretty much on its face.
the FQ400 is a british mitsubishi engineering project hence this statement:
The car was the brainchild of Mitsubishi Motors UK’s Sales & Marketing Director, Lance Bradley. "The new Lancer Evolution VIII MR FQ-400 is the ultimate expression of who and what we are as a brand. This is a versatile four-door saloon that can out accelerate supercars costing almost ten times as much."
never riden in a fq 400 but i have been in a few gt35 and 42 r Evos that laid down over 650 to the wheels, fast is a understatement. the lag is no as bad but once they are spooled up the are gone. i remember the episode of top gear with the fq 400 and the lamborghini. once the car is off boost its pretty much on its face.
30 May 2007, 07:05 PM
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