f1_fan

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FFS, unbelievable, makes you want to throw up such is the amount of sickly sweet sentiment in that story.

No, had enough of these two and this story now. Feel very sorry for the kid and hope against all hope she turns up alive and well, but there is something quite odd about the parents and this whole 'campaign'.

Trout

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The facts do not support this commonly held belief. For crimes of this nature there has been no change in frequency over the past twenty years. So no different today than it was twenty years ago.

David Lock

Which is rather odd in itself as one might have assumed that the internet and associated child **** industry would have resulted in a big increase in child **** abductions. Thankfully that seems not to have been the case.

bugsti

I agree - its just highlighted by the media more nowadays.
Most crimes against kids are committed by relatives.

Gear Head

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I just get the feeling that it's some kind of payback for something one of the parents have done. And now the parents are using the media to try and get the public on their side, as if something is going to 'come out'. Might be wrong, but the ****** does appear to have been very well planned. It's not that the police have little to go on, they have NOTHING to go on.

f1_fan

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What a ridiculous statement. The Internet does not turn normal people into paedophiles, it is just a communication mechanism. I'll bet there are no more paedophiles around today than there were before the Internet existed. I know the Daily Mail and the likes would have us believe otherwise, but they have their own agenda.

The Snug Rhino

And therefore quite safe to let your kids play outside - mine will spend all summer in the feilds we back onto...just as i did 20 years ago. They will fall out of trees, slip in the streams and get stung by the odd nettle......but the risk of being taken is not suffiecient to stunt their lives by keeping them in.

TelBoy

I'll take the other side of that bet....

f1_fan

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OK fair enough mate, do explain though.

TelBoy

Exposure, simply. Like many activities where people have been influenced by what they've seen in the media, i don't see why paedophilia should be any different. I agree that people don't necessarily "become" paedophiles, but the availability of such images i'm pretty sure will have triggered the propensity to offend in a fair few cases.

The Zohan

IMHO
I think this is very valid. It has allowed communication between them.

Pre internet - i doubt if Pedos took out ad's in papers or sat in pubs with their mates discussing their interests.

It has allowed the shaing in information, images/files, etc which before would have been more difficult to do.

I Do not believe the internet turns ordinary people into Pedos. Any decent, right minded person would be appauled and upset/disturbed if they came into contact with any of this vile material. any right minded person would understand that behind the pictures or film is a child being abused in the most disgusting way.

What the internet does is allow you aces to look at this if you feel inclinded to do so.

The Daily Mail (and indeed a lot of other papers) are all about selling appers and not letting the facts or the truth get in the way of that!

Maz

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I have to agree, latent tendencies coming to the fore so to speak. The internet has opened up previously unavailable avenues for these sick b@stards.

Leslie

The comment I made Paul was not over their audience with the Pope and I hope it will help if there is any hope left for poor Madeleine.

The point I was making was that the situation was being used as an excuse by some on this thread to criticise religious beliefs. If you read some of the following posts you will see what I mean and what I was expecting to happen.

Atheists are so quick to jump on the bandwagon in an effort to justify their beliefs-more to themselves most likely, that they show their complete lack of understanding of religious beliefs and also that it has nothing to do with this terrible tragedy. What they are saying is totally wide of the mark and is of no consequence in this matter.

Les

The Zohan

Hi Les,
No, not aimed at you just the general feeling of the thread.

Shark Man

Indeed, if the internet didn't exist, I wouldn't be into the fetishes that I am into now, as I would never have been exposed to them

Maz

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TelBoy

Wide of what ******* "mark"...???

Trout

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Paul and Les,

in my original post my intention was not to say that I dislike the McCanns (how could I dislike them I do not know them) or to comment on religion.

I am not comfortable with their behaviour and the portrayal of that by the media. My comment about meeting the Pope could have easily been a comment on meeting the Queen or Blair or Clinton.

My observation is on the disproportionate attention given to this couple when in the UK every other month there is a 'Maddy', in Sao Paolo there are literally dozens every week, in Africa a child dies every few seconds because they cannot drink water.

No one is speaking on their behalf.

Of course the McCanns may take this energy and their money and promote these issues, only time will tell.

The Zohan

Hi there,

Not necesarily amied at you either really.

I totally agree about the ofrgotten children, this visit with the pope can only highlighting the issue in general, it works as we are talking and thinking about it which can only be a good thing.

f1_fan

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Nope, not buying that. What you are saying is a paedophile is more likely to molest a child because he has seen kiddy **** images on the Internet. Why would this make him more likely to offend, in fact it could equally be argued it would make him less likely. At the end of the day he is a paedophile and the Internet cannot change that fact either way.

f1_fan

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Not the same thing at all. You didn't know about them before you saw them on the Internet and now you do. A normal person surfing the net who sees a kiddy **** image doesn't suddenly become a paedophile, it's a lot lot deeper than that.

jonc

Well media interest is going to dwindle fast unless something significant happens as it's now Big Brother season and will take front page headlines!!

DCI Gene Hunt

Standby for the McCanns to enter the BB house

The Snug Rhino

correct - its like saying there are more gay people nowadays as people are exposed to "gayness" more than 50 years ago!

People sexual attractions are not formed by the media to that extent! Fake **** and shaved bits may become the in thing if you see it enough but thats a whole different infulence to making you attracted to something you arent!

Ted Maul

there are probably less gay people now who repress their sexuality than there were 50 years ago as it is now 'easier' to be gay..therefore there is more homosexual behaviour being committed. Could this arguement not be also valid for paedophiles?

Shark Man

I will disagree. It can be a trigger factor influencing someone to become interested in that subject.

As I sure many are aware there are different levels of paedophile, from actual molestors to people more inclined to just viewing pictures, and ones who are meerly "curious" (so they say in court ). The latter two could be influenced on what they have seen on the 'net.

With the latter two, a common excuse and self-argument with their conscience and morals are "Its other people who are actually doing it, I'm only watching it...I'm not the one doing the actual harm". And that goes hand in hand with teh Internet being the medium to view such material. The number of actual molestors probably hasn't changed much, but the number of people who activly view underage material has increased, yet many do not commit harm to an actual person. It boils down to what one defines as a paedophile, the law sees a viewer as one as much as an actual child molestor

TelBoy

Loads of research out there explaining the links between exposure and propensity to offend, i'm not just making it up. Out of sight, out of mind. In sight, hmmm let's drive past the school and see what's going on. Here's one paper worth reading for starters;

Child abuse and the Internet (Issues paper no.15) - National Child Protection Clearinghouse

sarasquares

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i personally dont think that the parents should face any charges or anything for what has happened. what they are going through is more than enough punishment.

they have done nothing wrong apart from assuming their children were safe. they obviously felt that the apartments were safe. they made a mistake......havnt we all?
if one of the children had fallen out of bed then it would have been a different story.
ive put my daughter to bed on holiday with pillows on the floor to stop her injuring herself if she fell out of a bed before. but if she had fallen one night and been paralised or seriously injured then i would end up being castigated for it, but no one would say anything if no injuries happened.

i think the parents are right in trying to get as much exposure as they can, its not their fault that the media circus have portrayed the them in the way that they are being seen by the public.



i just hope that maddie is found soon, but it is looking more and more unlikely as time goes by

Freak

I am sure a private learjet at their disposal, tax free cash and a never ending holiday, plus lots of celebrities & the fecking pope fawning over them is such a huge punishment for them... they clearly seem to be enjoying themselves.


All of this is assuming the kid was even in the apartment when they went out.....this does not add up. Time will tell.
Allegedly.

The Zohan

Hi Sara

Asumption is the mother of all f**k-ups, never, ever assume.
Their actions or inactions led to the circumstances that allowed this to happen, your analogy of the pillows is just not the same as leaving your kids in a strange room in a strange place in a strange country just peering around the door of the room every so often. Whilst they did not ask for it to happen thay are part responsible IMHO!

People bang on about holidays and letting your guard down, having been on holiday with my own young children i was more cautious and aware that less, that s how i am and i cannot see it any other way.

Sadly, the person really paying for this is Maddie.


Being a parent is a full-time and demanding job at the best of times. The consequuences of getting it wrong could lead to tradgedy.