So not very good around corners then?

 

when its dry it sticks well,when its wet its a bit scary but it does it just i end up with brown pants lol

 

Thankyou, a guy who speaks the truth!

 

I dont rag my wrx in the wet anyway. Especially after I had a turn in and went straight on moment. Ended up well though with a nice 4 wheel drift.

 

never crashed this yet anyway.the sti scoob i had i crashed the bugger when it was only 3 weeks old.i put to much power down in 1st and it shot off into the bushes
so i got rid of it when it was 6 weeks old

 

3 weeks! Ouch!

LOL Probably best you now have a car with limimted torque in 1st and second!

 

if you hold the sports button in it turns off the esp so it get the full power without holding it back.......must admit its fun to drive like that but its a bit*h with the tyre wear

 

Yeah, but think of all the friends you'll make at Quick Fit!!

 

So there you have it....... ITS FASTER..... in your words dude not mine! Question answered.

PS - Whats wrong with saxo's, some of the tuned ones are quite fast, probably give say..... a VXR a run for their money! Hee Hee.

 

What is the 0-60mph time of a standard STI (the 2.5 new model) out of interest?

 

Problem is though that people assume that they can get a perfect launch 0-60. which is very difficult in any turbocharged car, the 0-60 time is a little overplayed. And if you think 0.1 of a second is a significant difference for an extra 6 grand wtf?

 

4.8 seconds mate.
13.5 quarter mile.

That compares to that of 6.33 and 14.69 for the vxr.

 

Is that not a pp'd sti though?
Subaru have it down as being 5.4

 

FFS You're not paying an extra 6 grand for .1 sec, you're paying it for the ability to USE that power ALL the time. The car doesn't throw a hissy fit if you want full power in first or second, or when it rains or is damp, which it is in the uk, very frequently, or when the going gets rough (which it does in the UK).

FWD cars are good in a straight line when rolling, and fine in corners when its dry, but that's their limiit.

The Std VXR has too much power for it's drivetrain, the scooby can cope with MUCH more than std.

Ns04

 

If you want value for money, get a second hand classic and get it stage two modified. Lightweight, 4WD, 320bhp and similar torque. It'll show the latest Hot hatch brigade who's the daddy, I assure you!! And you could get all this for 10k!!

Game over!

 

Your still hung up on this using all the power all the time are'nt you. You simply cannot. Now thats game over. And i never buy second hand cars as a rule. Just out of interest have you ever driven a VXR?

 

VXR, Focus ST, Civic type R, Toyota Celica VVT.

All have too much power for their drivetrains!

There is no point in having power if you can't use it!

For someone who has been majoring on value for money, why on earth would you not buy a second hand car?? Buying a car new is perhaps the poorest decision you can make in this respect.

FWD is fine for runabouts, in a high performance car it IS a compromise, one which manufacturers such as Vaxhall have judged very well, but it is STILL a compromise which doesn't not exist in 4WD.

FWIW I also have a mate with a very heavily modified Astra (not the current generation, the previous one). He described my car as "uncatchable" on all but a VERY long straight.

Ns04

 

Precisely!
I'll never buy a new car for that very reason. 'Hmmm... whats the best way lose 9K over 3 years? I know! I'll buy a new car!'
If you honestly think that a VXR is better than an STI, you need to see a doctor, end of.

 

I know i lost nearly 7 grand in just over a year on my last scoob. I Just like having new cars (warranty etc). Plus i would defo not buy a second hand performance car incase its been srcewed to death in its early life and you end up with all the problems.
I am not convinced by the two much power thing. Just go and drive some and make your mind up then. The old astra's were poo compared to the new, i had a turbo coupe a few years back, that was not good.
I better be getting the doctor round soon then.

 

I have driven one. Yes, it did feel very fast, but not as responsive as my sti. I agree with you that power is very progressive, but then again, it has to be for a fwd car. I found the brakes a bit wooden but I was very impressed with the kit you get as standard. But there is no way on gods earth that it would be a match for a scooby in the real world. It's like a 'one trick pony', being the most powerful front wheel drive production car. That's it.

 

His argument is full of holes;

He compares a stage 3 modified VXR to a standard STi and claims superior performance, even though the STi is faster 0-60.

He argues that 0-60 is not representative of how you drive most of the time (fair point), yet seems to be hinting that the only thing the VXR does really well is rolling picks up over 60-70mph. How often do you do that compared to drive in the rain/damp, over rough surfaces want to go around corners quickly, have a naughty blast in 2nd without going over the speed limit?

He argues value for money is important, yet shuns a second hand car. For the price of a new VXR I would buy you a reliably tuned Scooby Evo that will leave any FWD car for dead under any conditions!

The VXR is a nice car......for a FWD!

 

Careful NS04, you're starting to sound like a scooby snob!
Good though isn't it!

 

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooo.

I'd say the same about an Evo vs VXR.....honest gov!!

 

Err holes.
I never said once that the VXR is only good at one thing, what i said is that most people would prefer overtaking power to 0-60 drags. THe only reason i brought value for money in is that for realtive performance there is no reason why the cars should be so different in price. And hey if people need to save money cos they have kids or big mortgage and stuff then cool buya second handcar otherwise there is no point. The VXR is a good car full stop. there is nothing about the scoob that would make me go back to them, especially not if they look like the pictures doing the rounds at the moment will have us believe they will look like next. The amount of times i find the need to just accelerate in second for a few seconds i could count on the fingers of a boxing glove.

 

not adding to the for and against arguments, don't care really and after believing that Luton peaked with the Mk2 Astra GTE i can't deal with the thought of driving one unless there was some shopping that i desparately needed tyre smokingly quickly.

Does the VXR have the same dangerous indicator controls that the other new vauxhalls have? My wife's Astra is a pain in the ***, why can't they fit a positive switch and a warning ticker that you can actually hear?

 

If its value you are after you could have done the same as me. My mark 4 golf R32 had gone out of warranty and had cost me over £1000 in repairs so, sold it (did not lose much on it either, great car) and went into the market looking for a practical, powerful and everyday usable vehicle with room for my golf clubs in the boot. Tried an evo fq320 and a 260, these are awesome cars but for everyday use... no way! Tried a Mazda 6 MPS (hey don't laugh, these things can shift and are fully loaded) but not quite the right "image". Drive the Sti and WRX... solution found. What's even better is I pick up a car with almost 18 months warranty remaining, ppp'd, spring kit, pff7's, spare alloys, roof rack, 2 barracuda bike holders and 1 or 2 other bits for less than the price of a new VXR! Even better is I can enjoy it in any weather, my girlfiend can drive it (scares her a little) and you can sonter along at any speed without it wanting to go faster all the time. Are you sold on it yet? I am and I think I'll buy it again!!
You are right about your car though, it is tremendous value for your pound as a new purchase and they are holding their value well to... nice!
When I bought my first new CTR they were like that.
Enjoy.

 

Now there is something we agree on!!

 

Yeh the indicators are a little wierd at first, but not dangerous as i have eyes to see the flashing green light on the dash.

 

Then why the hell have you got a performance car? FFS!

 

Well its not just to have a quick blast in second gear, its the whole speed thing.