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agree with all the threads above, they should never be forgotten.
as much as i used to like hearing the old war stories from my grandad years ago it must have been horrific at the time.
i am sure that on the 70th anniversary of D-Day it will be remembered in the public eye once again. although i doubt many of the veterans will be left who survived it by then.
as much as i used to like hearing the old war stories from my grandad years ago it must have been horrific at the time.
i am sure that on the 70th anniversary of D-Day it will be remembered in the public eye once again. although i doubt many of the veterans will be left who survived it by then.
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But, the point is that the war was started originally for similar reasons. Someone who was no threat to us, we stuck our noses in, war ensued.
The only difference is that in 1939, the enemy gave us a bloody nose, so it turned into a fight for our survival. In 2003, the enemy was pushover, and so we are fighting for, er, well, indeed.
The UK has a fine history of being involved in wars which have nothing to do with them, why people have got so upset about this one is beyond me!
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The only difference is that in 1939, the enemy gave us a bloody nose, so it turned into a fight for our survival. In 2003, the enemy was pushover, and so we are fighting for, er, well, indeed.
The UK has a fine history of being involved in wars which have nothing to do with them, why people have got so upset about this one is beyond me!
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I could go on Geezer, but isn't that nearly enough to **** people off about it anyway?
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continuing Leslie's theme... in 1939 Britain and France had clear treaty obligations to defend Poland were it invaded. We didn't have to honour those obligations, perhaps, but it seems quite different to me... in the case of Iraq part of the problem is that lots of people are very sceptical about the reasons for going to war and the evidence behind it. The political reasoning behind war in Iraq stinks. I don't that was true in 1939.
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I think one of the most mind altering points of my life was standing on Omaha, Utah and Arromanches beaches after reading alot about WW2 and just trying to imagine the carnage......
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Well, no, but ordinary people do evil things in some circumstances. You might say that we were not much better in Aden; certainly you could argue that the US did some terrible things in Vietnam; and some of the stories from Iraq aren't good either.
I'm not saying it's the same at all, just that the people on the ground (SS, UK, US, whatever) may have no choice but to do what they're told.
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Reassuring to know that there is a genuine, decent person behind the username. Occasionally
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To me the difference between WW2 and the Iraqi war is that in 1939 we had to defend Poland, from Hitler, In Iraq we didn't have to get invovled at all, but did we not invade it for the second time? We should have finished it the first time around and we just might not be in such a mess as we are now and also innocent lives may have been saved
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Of course, in 1939 we had said that we would defend Poland. However, when you say 'we' you of course mean a decision taken by HM Government of the time. Do you know how popular that decision was? I doubt it. I bet the people of 1939 had little thought for the Poles, any more than we wanted to go war against Iraq.
So, in 2003, our government went to war (rightly or wrongly, and I agree, wrongly, but that is not my point), same as they did in 1939. Our viewpoint is irrelevant really.
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So, in 2003, our government went to war (rightly or wrongly, and I agree, wrongly, but that is not my point), same as they did in 1939. Our viewpoint is irrelevant really.
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A good initial post indeed. Something for us all to think about. Brave men in horrific circumstances...
Anyhoo, I'm glad the Germans didnt win the war, because I only got a C in GCSE German, but I got an A in GCSE English
Anyhoo, I'm glad the Germans didnt win the war, because I only got a C in GCSE German, but I got an A in GCSE English
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Of course, in 1939 we had said that we would defend Poland. However, when you say 'we' you of course mean a decision taken by HM Government of the time. Do you know how popular that decision was? I doubt it. I bet the people of 1939 had little thought for the Poles, any more than we wanted to go war against Iraq.
So, in 2003, our government went to war (rightly or wrongly, and I agree, wrongly, but that is not my point), same as they did in 1939. Our viewpoint is irrelevant really.
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So, in 2003, our government went to war (rightly or wrongly, and I agree, wrongly, but that is not my point), same as they did in 1939. Our viewpoint is irrelevant really.
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It was considered a point of honour that one should fight for one's country in those days and with respect to the attack on the Poles it was realised also how important our resistance to that was to the safety of this country. Hitler's attacks in those days were the pretty obvious indication that he was ambitious to control the whole of Europe, and probably more than that!
As PSL so rightly said, the Services fought on our behalf and so many died defending our freedoms. Those who are too lazy to vote are letting those brave men's memory down!
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I don't pretend to know what all the people in 1939 thought Les, but my father was a boy, my grandfather fought in the war, and they tell me that war was somehting that people definitely did not want. Remember alot of them remembered the carnage of WWI, and after all, that is why France capitulated so quickly, they didn't want another Verdun.
The Great War was probably the last time that the public were 'up for it', since then, it's only governments sadly.
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The Great War was probably the last time that the public were 'up for it', since then, it's only governments sadly.
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