Spare a thought for the McCanns
08 June 2007, 10:10 PM
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I am honestly waiting for them to announce they are flying to LA to meet the Beckhams to raise the profile of their search.
They've lost one child, how they can just leave the other two with relatives says a lot about the people they are.
The missing girls is either a) dead or b) very well hidden. If it's b then she will remain that way until well after the heat is off.
08 June 2007, 10:21 PM
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I wouldn't have thought there was any sort of scam going on from the evidence we have.
What I do think is happening though is an attempt to distance themselves from (and forget) the fact that other than the scum that took the child the only other people to blame in this sorry saga is themselves.
I'd give a lot if the little girl could come back unharmed but I would not give a penny to that pair of child abusers- because that's exactly what they are. I can't understand how the core fact that they abandoned their child is being forgotten.
This report in your No1 scum made me laugh today
The Sun Online - News: Portuguese cops' booze botch
I particularly enjoyed the comment
"The missing girl’s aunt Philomena said: If it were detectives from Scotland Yard there would be absolute uproar.”
Correct there would, but guess what Philomena? Portugal is a different country with different traditions, laws and norms. If you and your family don't like it maybe, just maybe they shouldn't have gone on holiday there and abandoned their children while they went out for dinner and a few drinks.
What I do think is happening though is an attempt to distance themselves from (and forget) the fact that other than the scum that took the child the only other people to blame in this sorry saga is themselves.
I'd give a lot if the little girl could come back unharmed but I would not give a penny to that pair of child abusers- because that's exactly what they are. I can't understand how the core fact that they abandoned their child is being forgotten.
This report in your No1 scum made me laugh today
The Sun Online - News: Portuguese cops' booze botch
I particularly enjoyed the comment
"The missing girl’s aunt Philomena said: If it were detectives from Scotland Yard there would be absolute uproar.”
Correct there would, but guess what Philomena? Portugal is a different country with different traditions, laws and norms. If you and your family don't like it maybe, just maybe they shouldn't have gone on holiday there and abandoned their children while they went out for dinner and a few drinks.
Welcome back Alan. It never ceases to amaze me how you derive so much pleasure from baiting the hard-of-thinking. I tried it for a while but it's like shooting fish in a barrel...
08 June 2007, 10:35 PM
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Was in a conversation about this yesterday and one person was saying back off they made a mistake.
NO !!!!! they didn't make a mistake as perants they were whoefully neglectful in the care of all their children. Going out for a meal and drinks as they did to me is disgraceful. I know they say they were checking their kids every 30 mins but one report I read from someone working in the resturant they were in said 50 mins past without them checking. Hey I wasn't there but 2 mins with kids that age left alone is WRONG.
If that had been a couple from a council estate or a single parent chav mother - no offence intended to either - they would have been arrested.
Please don't get me wrong I truly hope that poor little girl is found safe and reunited with her parents who must be going through hell.
Also please excuse any grammer and spelling mistakes.
NO !!!!! they didn't make a mistake as perants they were whoefully neglectful in the care of all their children. Going out for a meal and drinks as they did to me is disgraceful. I know they say they were checking their kids every 30 mins but one report I read from someone working in the resturant they were in said 50 mins past without them checking. Hey I wasn't there but 2 mins with kids that age left alone is WRONG.
If that had been a couple from a council estate or a single parent chav mother - no offence intended to either - they would have been arrested.
Please don't get me wrong I truly hope that poor little girl is found safe and reunited with her parents who must be going through hell.
Also please excuse any grammer and spelling mistakes.
09 June 2007, 12:17 AM
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Was in a conversation about this yesterday and one person was saying back off they made a mistake.
NO !!!!! they didn't make a mistake as perants they were whoefully neglectful in the care of all their children. Going out for a meal and drinks as they did to me is disgraceful. I know they say they were checking their kids every 30 mins but one report I read from someone working in the resturant they were in said 50 mins past without them checking. Hey I wasn't there but 2 mins with kids that age left alone is WRONG.
If that had been a couple from a council estate or a single parent chav mother - no offence intended to either - they would have been arrested.
Please don't get me wrong I truly hope that poor little girl is found safe and reunited with her parents who must be going through hell.
Also please excuse any grammer and spelling mistakes.
NO !!!!! they didn't make a mistake as perants they were whoefully neglectful in the care of all their children. Going out for a meal and drinks as they did to me is disgraceful. I know they say they were checking their kids every 30 mins but one report I read from someone working in the resturant they were in said 50 mins past without them checking. Hey I wasn't there but 2 mins with kids that age left alone is WRONG.
If that had been a couple from a council estate or a single parent chav mother - no offence intended to either - they would have been arrested.
Please don't get me wrong I truly hope that poor little girl is found safe and reunited with her parents who must be going through hell.
Also please excuse any grammer and spelling mistakes.
09 June 2007, 08:05 AM
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2. I was the first to use the phrase 'hard of thinking' here- come up with your own!
3. I prefer barrel shooting rather than sitting on the bank with my rod in my hand as a method of piscine procurement.
09 June 2007, 09:14 AM
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Its stupid, irresponsible and selfish - but not uncommon and not worthy of being on the news.....for example, if the story was that the kid fell out of bed and broke her arm it wouldn't have made the local rag, let alone a global news event....yet the parents actions would have been the same to have resulted in that happening.
Of course being well off and middle class makes it easier to get away with.
Another analogy would be if Mr McCann had been speeding and had an accident in which his daughter was killed. An uncommon tragedy but the fact that thousands of people speed every day would not make him immune from vilification or ultimate prosection.
That fact that everyone is culpable does not take away individual responsibility.
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09 June 2007, 11:33 AM
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Completely agree with that. Instead of strengthing the family and being with the 2 remaining children they have decided to go on a fruitless and ill-guided publicity tour.
I am honestly waiting for them to announce they are flying to LA to meet the Beckhams to raise the profile of their search.
They've lost one child, how they can just leave the other two with relatives says a lot about the people they are.
The missing girls is either a) dead or b) very well hidden. If it's b then she will remain that way until well after the heat is off.
I am honestly waiting for them to announce they are flying to LA to meet the Beckhams to raise the profile of their search.
They've lost one child, how they can just leave the other two with relatives says a lot about the people they are.
The missing girls is either a) dead or b) very well hidden. If it's b then she will remain that way until well after the heat is off.
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09 June 2007, 11:38 AM
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Leslie,
they chosen to make themselves public figures - with that they also open themselves to have judgements made about their behaviour and character just like any other public figure.
Even Mother Theresa had her critics.
Rannoch
they chosen to make themselves public figures - with that they also open themselves to have judgements made about their behaviour and character just like any other public figure.
Even Mother Theresa had her critics.
Rannoch
09 June 2007, 11:38 AM
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09 June 2007, 11:44 AM
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What was your criticism of Mother Theresa if you had one, if not yours, did you uphold it?
Les
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09 June 2007, 06:31 PM
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2] I'm not convinced that you were; and if you were, then I hadn't noticed.
3] Fair enough.
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10 June 2007, 12:49 AM
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Aghast at the cynicism here. If I lost my 3yr old daughter I would be shouting from the rooftops in more countries and in louder ways than you can ever imagine. I would spend every last penny I had in any desparate effort to find her... You cold critics would never be a hindrance - where the f are you coming from? Esp if you have ever felt the love a dad [parent] can have for his daughter?
I appreciate intelligent cynicism and open mindedness, but surely most of you are WAY off the mark in understanding the personal reality and anguish of these [educated] parents? A lot of comments smack of jealousy rather than sympathy. What planet are you on FFS?
D
I appreciate intelligent cynicism and open mindedness, but surely most of you are WAY off the mark in understanding the personal reality and anguish of these [educated] parents? A lot of comments smack of jealousy rather than sympathy. What planet are you on FFS?
D
10 June 2007, 10:28 AM
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As doctors they should both be more than aware of the damage a child of that age can do to itself when out of sight for thirty seconds, let alone half an hour
Of course I'm hoping for a positive outcome to the whole thing
PS: I do wonder how they themselves would judge a struggling single mother if she turned up at either of their surgeries having left her young child(ren) unattended at home
10 June 2007, 11:15 AM
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Plenty of rich people have committed fraud in the past.
Also, it's quite interesting what has started to be put at the end of the BBC news reports....
"It is thought Madeleine was snatched from the family's apartment at the Praia da Luz resort while her parents were at a nearby restaurant.
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Not so sure eh?
Geezer
Also, it's quite interesting what has started to be put at the end of the BBC news reports....
"It is thought Madeleine was snatched from the family's apartment at the Praia da Luz resort while her parents were at a nearby restaurant.
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Not so sure eh?
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10 June 2007, 11:47 AM
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Aghast at the cynicism here. If I lost my 3yr old daughter I would be shouting from the rooftops in more countries and in louder ways than you can ever imagine. I would spend every last penny I had in any desparate effort to find her... You cold critics would never be a hindrance - where the f are you coming from? Esp if you have ever felt the love a dad [parent] can have for his daughter?
I appreciate intelligent cynicism and open mindedness, but surely most of you are WAY off the mark in understanding the personal reality and anguish of these [educated] parents? A lot of comments smack of jealousy rather than sympathy. What planet are you on FFS?
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I appreciate intelligent cynicism and open mindedness, but surely most of you are WAY off the mark in understanding the personal reality and anguish of these [educated] parents? A lot of comments smack of jealousy rather than sympathy. What planet are you on FFS?
D
I wonder how many of these sort of comments are from people who actually have children. Having kids changes you and your perspective on things.
Regardless of the McCanns obvious neglect and creating the situation that lead to Maddies abduction i would use wjhatever means i could to get muy child back, all offeres of help, all offers of money and support and all the press publicity i could.
As for the fighting fund then lets see what happends when this situation concludes...
11 June 2007, 06:48 PM
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I beg to disagree with you there Les, By their own admission, the McCanns elected to go out for the night with friends, leaving three children unattended in their apartment. I don't believe I'm out of order in thinking that the least they could (should) have done is arranged a babysitter.
As doctors they should both be more than aware of the damage a child of that age can do to itself when out of sight for thirty seconds, let alone half an hour
Of course I'm hoping for a positive outcome to the whole thing
PS: I do wonder how they themselves would judge a struggling single mother if she turned up at either of their surgeries having left her young child(ren) unattended at home
As doctors they should both be more than aware of the damage a child of that age can do to itself when out of sight for thirty seconds, let alone half an hour
Of course I'm hoping for a positive outcome to the whole thing
PS: I do wonder how they themselves would judge a struggling single mother if she turned up at either of their surgeries having left her young child(ren) unattended at home
The accusations of their complicity in a scam to make money from the disapprearance of poor Maddy is wholly unfair since there is no evidence whatsoever pointing in that direction. They cannot be criticised for attempting to gain and maintain the maximum publicity in an effort to save Maddy and get her back.
It really is quite wrong to accuse them of the possibility a scam until you know of some positive evidence.
Les
12 June 2007, 10:04 AM
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glad to have taught something new - i assume now you do know it you no longer regard it as a big deal....as it isnt!
Its stupid, irresponsible and selfish - but not uncommon and not worthy of being on the news.....for example, if the story was that the kid fell out of bed and broke her arm it wouldn't have made the local rag, let alone a global news event....yet the parents actions would have been the same to have resulted in that happening.
The news worthy issue is the missing kid and the search - not the parents error.
Its stupid, irresponsible and selfish - but not uncommon and not worthy of being on the news.....for example, if the story was that the kid fell out of bed and broke her arm it wouldn't have made the local rag, let alone a global news event....yet the parents actions would have been the same to have resulted in that happening.
The news worthy issue is the missing kid and the search - not the parents error.
I don't think anyone is doubting the fact that the news worthy issue was the abduction and is now the search Mark.
What is being overlooked is that were in not for the irresponsible actions of the parents (and no matter how many times you make the point that it is a common event, it doesn't excuse it, or change it one bit) there would have been no abduction, no search, and no meeting with the Pope....
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