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02 July 2007, 10:07 PM
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CW42 - You have contradicted yourself badly in your past statements. first you said " what they wont tell you about is the good old days , working half a days work for full days pay".Then you go on to say "now 15 years ago that was hard working with bigger deliveries etc etc " make your mind up please your getting me all confused
. I dont know whats its like where you work but my round is infinately more bigger than in "the good old days" 700 calls now as apposed to 3-400.Another thing that grates on me every day is the fact that we are supposed to be cost cuttting but now we have twice the amount of managers in our office(4 instead of 2) 2 managed fine for 14 years previously! wtf?.Oh yes also these "managers" all they seem to do is exactly the same work as us day in day out
i.e sorting mail and delivering it Now i put it to you sir that you are the one that is overpaid and unless your running the whole show like 1 of our managers does only the other 3 dont do anything different to what we do.A brilliant strategy- get rid of the posties and bring managers in to do our work quality i love it 
Also the amount of times ive heard a manager say "if you dont like it you can always leave" is staggering its the Royal mail managers moto ffs.If we all took you up on this offer there would be **** all people left hehe.For what its worth im happy with my pay but a rise inline with inflation is the least they can offer us, the problem i have is the way Royal mail is being destroyed by TOO many cuts.Lets not forget that we are in this mess in the first place because of gross mismanagement!
. I dont know whats its like where you work but my round is infinately more bigger than in "the good old days" 700 calls now as apposed to 3-400.Another thing that grates on me every day is the fact that we are supposed to be cost cuttting but now we have twice the amount of managers in our office(4 instead of 2) 2 managed fine for 14 years previously! wtf?.Oh yes also these "managers" all they seem to do is exactly the same work as us day in day out i.e sorting mail and delivering it Now i put it to you sir that you are the one that is overpaid and unless your running the whole show like 1 of our managers does only the other 3 dont do anything different to what we do.A brilliant strategy- get rid of the posties and bring managers in to do our work quality i love it Also the amount of times ive heard a manager say "if you dont like it you can always leave" is staggering its the Royal mail managers moto ffs.If we all took you up on this offer there would be **** all people left hehe.For what its worth im happy with my pay but a rise inline with inflation is the least they can offer us, the problem i have is the way Royal mail is being destroyed by TOO many cuts.Lets not forget that we are in this mess in the first place because of gross mismanagement!
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Scoob99, that's why I asked the question on pistonheads. All too often you only hear management and union sides in disputes like this. I figured it would be a good idea to get a general consensus of opinion off a well respected forum such as pistonheads. I was going to ask the same question on here, but this board has gone downhill in the last 6 months, with muppets like Lewis being allowed to post all manner of bollocks, so I didn't bother.
turbomatt, I know what you mean about the contradiction, and when I read it back, I've not explained myself very well
What I'm trying to get across is in the old days, there were certainly more of us in the office, doing less work. Walks didn't have the help they have now, we'd spend the best part of our early starts sorting manual mail to the walks. Then once on them, we'd spend a good proportion of our time prep sorting, long before the prep sort frames you have now. After that, it was usually a case of either carry the lot with you, dump it in a car, or get it dropped by a driver at some newsagent, if you were lucky. Going back to my recent experiences in delivery, my first for a long time, and all I saw was a very easy walk prep frame in front of me, very little mail to sort to it, lots of mech items, a few flats, some packets, specials and recorded, and that was it. One walk which I was on for the 2nd time in 3 weeks, I split into bags, it made 5 full bags! It took me 3 trips to get that lot to the back of the scooby. But once out on the walk, I breezed through the walk, enjoyed meeting the people, got all the signatures I required, and didn't break my back in the process. Piece of **** If I wanted a nil stress job, with my afternoons free to do what I want, I'd go back to being a postie, as it's a good crack.
You do realise those extra managers you've got will soon be "team leaders" don't you? That's where we're heading in this business. So, when you don't get your extra money you're asking for, and you're back at work with you 2.5%, keep an eye on the noticeboard at work, as they'll be asking for extra "team leaders" soon, with a small increase in pay, that's the best you'll be able to get in your office.
turbomatt, I know what you mean about the contradiction, and when I read it back, I've not explained myself very well
What I'm trying to get across is in the old days, there were certainly more of us in the office, doing less work. Walks didn't have the help they have now, we'd spend the best part of our early starts sorting manual mail to the walks. Then once on them, we'd spend a good proportion of our time prep sorting, long before the prep sort frames you have now. After that, it was usually a case of either carry the lot with you, dump it in a car, or get it dropped by a driver at some newsagent, if you were lucky. Going back to my recent experiences in delivery, my first for a long time, and all I saw was a very easy walk prep frame in front of me, very little mail to sort to it, lots of mech items, a few flats, some packets, specials and recorded, and that was it. One walk which I was on for the 2nd time in 3 weeks, I split into bags, it made 5 full bags! It took me 3 trips to get that lot to the back of the scooby. But once out on the walk, I breezed through the walk, enjoyed meeting the people, got all the signatures I required, and didn't break my back in the process. Piece of **** If I wanted a nil stress job, with my afternoons free to do what I want, I'd go back to being a postie, as it's a good crack. You do realise those extra managers you've got will soon be "team leaders" don't you? That's where we're heading in this business. So, when you don't get your extra money you're asking for, and you're back at work with you 2.5%, keep an eye on the noticeboard at work, as they'll be asking for extra "team leaders" soon, with a small increase in pay, that's the best you'll be able to get in your office.
03 July 2007, 08:15 AM
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Yes Chris but I for one will not be putting in for it, sadly though I do beleive this is going to be a long haul so will just have to sit tight and see what happens, As I said in a previous post I think it's unfair(in my office anyway) which has 7 floor managers and then 2 more above that, that the postmen do all the work and the managemnt sit on their ****'s after 8.30A.M. looking at E-bay on the computer, I wonder what Mr.Leighton would make of that and yes it is after their one hour meal releif.
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03 July 2007, 08:58 AM
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On a serious note as i said in my first post we only want a decent wage, I bring home less than £250 a week, we have been offered 2.5% pay rise with many many strings attached, one of them a loss of 40,000 job loses, Yes i would love a job change I've been a postie for 20 years and I just feel we are being treated like ****e, I DO NOT take industrail action easy to handle but this time we have to make a stand, feel free to ask me any questions.
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03 July 2007, 09:01 AM
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CW42 - You have contradicted yourself badly in your past statements. first you said " what they wont tell you about is the good old days , working half a days work for full days pay".Then you go on to say "now 15 years ago that was hard working with bigger deliveries etc etc " make your mind up please your getting me all confused . I dont know whats its like where you work but my round is infinately more bigger than in "the good old days" 700 calls now as apposed to 3-400.Another thing that grates on me every day is the fact that we are supposed to be cost cuttting but now we have twice the amount of managers in our office(4 instead of 2) 2 managed fine for 14 years previously! wtf?.Oh yes also these "managers" all they seem to do is exactly the same work as us day in day out i.e sorting mail and delivering it Now i put it to you sir that you are the one that is overpaid and unless your running the whole show like 1 of our managers does only the other 3 dont do anything different to what we do.A brilliant strategy- get rid of the posties and bring managers in to do our work quality i love it Also the amount of times ive heard a manager say "if you dont like it you can always leave" is staggering its the Royal mail managers moto ffs.If we all took you up on this offer there would be **** all people left hehe.For what its worth im happy with my pay but a rise inline with inflation is the least they can offer us, the problem i have is the way Royal mail is being destroyed by TOO many cuts.Lets not forget that we are in this mess in the first place because of gross mismanagement!
. I dont know whats its like where you work but my round is infinately more bigger than in "the good old days" 700 calls now as apposed to 3-400.Another thing that grates on me every day is the fact that we are supposed to be cost cuttting but now we have twice the amount of managers in our office(4 instead of 2) 2 managed fine for 14 years previously! wtf?.Oh yes also these "managers" all they seem to do is exactly the same work as us day in day out i.e sorting mail and delivering it Now i put it to you sir that you are the one that is overpaid and unless your running the whole show like 1 of our managers does only the other 3 dont do anything different to what we do.A brilliant strategy- get rid of the posties and bring managers in to do our work quality i love it Also the amount of times ive heard a manager say "if you dont like it you can always leave" is staggering its the Royal mail managers moto ffs.If we all took you up on this offer there would be **** all people left hehe.For what its worth im happy with my pay but a rise inline with inflation is the least they can offer us, the problem i have is the way Royal mail is being destroyed by TOO many cuts.Lets not forget that we are in this mess in the first place because of gross mismanagement!
03 July 2007, 09:06 AM
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2.5%?? That's hardly unreasonable if you compare it with the demands of the German train drivers over here at the moment. Bloody chaos getting into work this morning, all the train drivers are on strike, and why? Well, because they're asking for a 31% pay rise, that's why 
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03 July 2007, 01:23 PM
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Scoob99, that's why I asked the question on pistonheads. All too often you only hear management and union sides in disputes like this. I figured it would be a good idea to get a general consensus of opinion off a well respected forum such as pistonheads. I was going to ask the same question on here, but this board has gone downhill in the last 6 months, with muppets like Lewis being allowed to post all manner of bollocks, so I didn't bother.
turbomatt, I know what you mean about the contradiction, and when I read it back, I've not explained myself very well What I'm trying to get across is in the old days, there were certainly more of us in the office, doing less work. Walks didn't have the help they have now, we'd spend the best part of our early starts sorting manual mail to the walks. Then once on them, we'd spend a good proportion of our time prep sorting, long before the prep sort frames you have now. After that, it was usually a case of either carry the lot with you, dump it in a car, or get it dropped by a driver at some newsagent, if you were lucky. Going back to my recent experiences in delivery, my first for a long time, and all I saw was a very easy walk prep frame in front of me, very little mail to sort to it, lots of mech items, a few flats, some packets, specials and recorded, and that was it. One walk which I was on for the 2nd time in 3 weeks, I split into bags, it made 5 full bags! It took me 3 trips to get that lot to the back of the scooby. But once out on the walk, I breezed through the walk, enjoyed meeting the people, got all the signatures I required, and didn't break my back in the process. Piece of **** If I wanted a nil stress job, with my afternoons free to do what I want, I'd go back to being a postie, as it's a good crack.
You do realise those extra managers you've got will soon be "team leaders" don't you? That's where we're heading in this business. So, when you don't get your extra money you're asking for, and you're back at work with you 2.5%, keep an eye on the noticeboard at work, as they'll be asking for extra "team leaders" soon, with a small increase in pay, that's the best you'll be able to get in your office.
turbomatt, I know what you mean about the contradiction, and when I read it back, I've not explained myself very well
What I'm trying to get across is in the old days, there were certainly more of us in the office, doing less work. Walks didn't have the help they have now, we'd spend the best part of our early starts sorting manual mail to the walks. Then once on them, we'd spend a good proportion of our time prep sorting, long before the prep sort frames you have now. After that, it was usually a case of either carry the lot with you, dump it in a car, or get it dropped by a driver at some newsagent, if you were lucky. Going back to my recent experiences in delivery, my first for a long time, and all I saw was a very easy walk prep frame in front of me, very little mail to sort to it, lots of mech items, a few flats, some packets, specials and recorded, and that was it. One walk which I was on for the 2nd time in 3 weeks, I split into bags, it made 5 full bags! It took me 3 trips to get that lot to the back of the scooby. But once out on the walk, I breezed through the walk, enjoyed meeting the people, got all the signatures I required, and didn't break my back in the process. Piece of **** If I wanted a nil stress job, with my afternoons free to do what I want, I'd go back to being a postie, as it's a good crack. You do realise those extra managers you've got will soon be "team leaders" don't you? That's where we're heading in this business. So, when you don't get your extra money you're asking for, and you're back at work with you 2.5%, keep an eye on the noticeboard at work, as they'll be asking for extra "team leaders" soon, with a small increase in pay, that's the best you'll be able to get in your office.
you said you had 5 full bags and it took you 3 journeys to get it in your Scoob! Now as a manager you of all people should know you can only carry one bag at a time
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I'd love to see some of you guys with 7 or 8 bags of mail per day between 700&800 drops per day, especially in the currant weather we are having soaked through to the skin, up at 4am on your feet till 2.00pm, I would love to see how many of you would last not very long I bet, If you think you can do it come and have a go if you think you could take it.
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04 July 2007, 08:37 AM
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Our postal service is a joke at work. The post generally gets to us just after lunch time. Considering the sorting office is 100m away across the road its a bit pants.
We now have to pick our own post up every day, we should get a discount on stamps, if I only provided half the service I had promised to my customers they would want money back.
Not against paying people money for what the job is worth, but it would be nice to see an improvement in deliveries.
We now have to pick our own post up every day, we should get a discount on stamps, if I only provided half the service I had promised to my customers they would want money back.
Not against paying people money for what the job is worth, but it would be nice to see an improvement in deliveries.
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Our postal service is a joke at work. The post generally gets to us just after lunch time. Considering the sorting office is 100m away across the road its a bit pants.
We now have to pick our own post up every day, we should get a discount on stamps, if I only provided half the service I had promised to my customers they would want money back.
Not against paying people money for what the job is worth, but it would be nice to see an improvement in deliveries.
We now have to pick our own post up every day, we should get a discount on stamps, if I only provided half the service I had promised to my customers they would want money back.
Not against paying people money for what the job is worth, but it would be nice to see an improvement in deliveries.
That is a joke, go and speak to the delivery office manager if you can get them away from E-Bay.
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I'd love to see some of you guys with 7 or 8 bags of mail per day between 700&800 drops per day, especially in the currant weather we are having soaked through to the skin, up at 4am on your feet till 2.00pm, I would love to see how many of you would last not very long I bet, If you think you can do it come and have a go if you think you could take it.
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see the **** for what he is and ignore this sad induvidual, before ***** like him spoil another good debate...
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I'd love to see some of you guys with 7 or 8 bags of mail per day between 700&800 drops per day, especially in the currant weather we are having soaked through to the skin, up at 4am on your feet till 2.00pm, I would love to see how many of you would last not very long I bet, If you think you can do it come and have a go if you think you could take it.
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04 July 2007, 04:06 PM
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Wasnt 30llb neither it was more like 50llb
04 July 2007, 04:11 PM
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Our postal service is a joke at work. The post generally gets to us just after lunch time. Considering the sorting office is 100m away across the road its a bit pants.
We now have to pick our own post up every day, we should get a discount on stamps, if I only provided half the service I had promised to my customers they would want money back.
Not against paying people money for what the job is worth, but it would be nice to see an improvement in deliveries.
We now have to pick our own post up every day, we should get a discount on stamps, if I only provided half the service I had promised to my customers they would want money back.
Not against paying people money for what the job is worth, but it would be nice to see an improvement in deliveries.
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I'd love to see some of you guys with 7 or 8 bags of mail per day between 700&800 drops per day, especially in the currant weather we are having soaked through to the skin, up at 4am on your feet till 2.00pm, I would love to see how many of you would last not very long I bet, If you think you can do it come and have a go if you think you could take it.
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What makes you so special that you are able to do that job?
04 July 2007, 05:59 PM
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Thats the main reason for the strikes mate, its not just about pay its about saving royal mail from self destructing.There simply isnt enough good postmen anymore to give the quality of service we should be getting.And if Alan leighton and co get ther way its going to get alot worse
04 July 2007, 07:28 PM
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So misrable prats like you can get a better service, you really think we like going on strike and lose money as Matt said if Allen Leighton gets his way Royal mail would go under, It don't matter to him he has another job in Canada.
04 July 2007, 08:12 PM
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It is a good point that you will get listened to much more if you go on strike for however long it takes to get what you want.
Trouble is, of course, you may get 4% - but have lost so much money that even a 24% rise couldn't make up for it.
Trouble is, of course, you may get 4% - but have lost so much money that even a 24% rise couldn't make up for it.
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