Why is re-mappimg so expensive!!!!
05 July 2007, 06:52 PM
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apart from the license fee what is the difference between ecutek and license fee free maps as offered by simon aka jolly green monster?
i personally am going for the ecutek as it was recomended to me by a few people,i am just curious at the difference between them
i personally am going for the ecutek as it was recomended to me by a few people,i am just curious at the difference between them
05 July 2007, 07:05 PM
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Remember that mappers may have other over heads, such as garages, rolling roads etc. which cost a fortune.
Even those working from a non garage premises do not get booked every day.
Do not work , no pay!, get ill no pay, no pension etc etc.
It is a far from certain job, WRC have gone bust as mentioned elsewhere on this forum,and they were fairly well known, so there can not be masses of profits in it.
The licence cost does seem a large part, but you could get a cheap chip and fool the engine, but for how long?
You pay for what you get,in my view.
The Forums also have alot of power and can be a mob mentatility, these guys do have a skill,lets give them the credit they deserve.
Now on another subject "estate agents now that is a crime how much they charge"!!
A few ads in the paper, and some 19 year old bimbo showing people round and prob. paid peanuts.
A sore point with me at the moment !!!
Even those working from a non garage premises do not get booked every day.
Do not work , no pay!, get ill no pay, no pension etc etc.
It is a far from certain job, WRC have gone bust as mentioned elsewhere on this forum,and they were fairly well known, so there can not be masses of profits in it.
The licence cost does seem a large part, but you could get a cheap chip and fool the engine, but for how long?
You pay for what you get,in my view.
The Forums also have alot of power and can be a mob mentatility, these guys do have a skill,lets give them the credit they deserve.
Now on another subject "estate agents now that is a crime how much they charge"!!
A few ads in the paper, and some 19 year old bimbo showing people round and prob. paid peanuts.
A sore point with me at the moment !!!
05 July 2007, 07:22 PM
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paint by numbers
put it into context guys, you pay Ģ600 for a subaru dealer service that includes someone scratching his **** while changing the fluids in your car. you walk out with a dented wallet and a frown knowing you'll be back 6/12 months later to do similar.
or.... you pay Ģ400/Ģ600 to have a true specialist work wonders on your car (lewis **** off, if you ever drove a mapped car you'd see the attraction
)you walk away with a massive smile knowing this work will last forever, it doesn't need changing or swapping
(well, until the bug bites again that is!)
i know whose pocket i'd rather be filling
put it into context guys, you pay Ģ600 for a subaru dealer service that includes someone scratching his **** while changing the fluids in your car. you walk out with a dented wallet and a frown knowing you'll be back 6/12 months later to do similar.
or.... you pay Ģ400/Ģ600 to have a true specialist work wonders on your car (lewis **** off, if you ever drove a mapped car you'd see the attraction
)you walk away with a massive smile knowing this work will last forever, it doesn't need changing or swapping (well, until the bug bites again that is!)i know whose pocket i'd rather be filling
05 July 2007, 07:55 PM
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Remember that mappers may have other over heads, such as garages, rolling roads etc. which cost a fortune.
Even those working from a non garage premises do not get booked every day.
Do not work , no pay!, get ill no pay, no pension etc etc.
It is a far from certain job, WRC have gone bust as mentioned elsewhere on this forum,and they were fairly well known, so there can not be masses of profits in it.
The licence cost does seem a large part, but you could get a cheap chip and fool the engine, but for how long?
You pay for what you get,in my view.
The Forums also have alot of power and can be a mob mentatility, these guys do have a skill,lets give them the credit they deserve.
Now on another subject "estate agents now that is a crime how much they charge"!!
A few ads in the paper, and some 19 year old bimbo showing people round and prob. paid peanuts.
A sore point with me at the moment !!!
Even those working from a non garage premises do not get booked every day.
Do not work , no pay!, get ill no pay, no pension etc etc.
It is a far from certain job, WRC have gone bust as mentioned elsewhere on this forum,and they were fairly well known, so there can not be masses of profits in it.
The licence cost does seem a large part, but you could get a cheap chip and fool the engine, but for how long?
You pay for what you get,in my view.
The Forums also have alot of power and can be a mob mentatility, these guys do have a skill,lets give them the credit they deserve.
Now on another subject "estate agents now that is a crime how much they charge"!!
A few ads in the paper, and some 19 year old bimbo showing people round and prob. paid peanuts.
A sore point with me at the moment !!!
are you saying you would pay no matter how expensive it is?? surley not.
we all want a fair price for a fair service, and the difference in prices shows that there are big margins here, i know its not a RRP, but should be "similar" price for "similar" service, is that not fair?
i think mappers are gods, but id rather pay less given the market out there.
first to offer "cheaper mapping" would clean up, and more people who are sitting on the fence would come over.
just my thoughts.
05 July 2007, 08:04 PM
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I have become an EcuTek dealer.. which costs lots of money and has not been considered within anyones post, plus the cost of equipment (datalogit, GEMs lead, Motec lead, Link lead, wideband) and maintaining that equipment, stock etc..
I am not going to go into huge detail on the subject of the thread.. just to say anyone that chooses to play football can, just not many will be good enough to become a professional..
Simon
05 July 2007, 08:32 PM
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It's very simple. In Britain, you pay the same for goods or service as what everyone else is also willing to pay. It's not a question of the skill or level of training involved at all. It's just the free market in action. All mappers charge roughly the same amount for a first time map, although remaps afterwards do vary. If one mapper went out on a limb and doubled his prices, he'd soon find himself losing business. If one did the opposite and halved his prices he'd initially find a lot of business, perhaps too much, other mappers would in time match his prices and claw back the business, the end result being everyone would be mapping cheaper and it would be very difficult to put the prices back up again as individual mappers. That's how cartels work unfortunately and most business-people in similar lines of business work in the same way. It's not a moral or a value for money issue. It's just business.
Think of house prices. People will pay half a million quid for a ****ty flat in London because if they don't, someone else will. Until people en masse take a chance, dig their heels in and refuse to pay for overpriced goods or services until the prices come down, we will always be 'rip-off Britain'. It's no-one's fault, it's just capitalism and free markets.
Think of house prices. People will pay half a million quid for a ****ty flat in London because if they don't, someone else will. Until people en masse take a chance, dig their heels in and refuse to pay for overpriced goods or services until the prices come down, we will always be 'rip-off Britain'. It's no-one's fault, it's just capitalism and free markets.
05 July 2007, 09:02 PM
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I am no longer doing the licence free mapping, website is going through a huge revamp etc.. and so is unfortunatly out of date.
I have become an EcuTek dealer.. which costs lots of money and has not been considered within anyones post, plus the cost of equipment (datalogit, GEMs lead, Motec lead, Link lead, wideband) and maintaining that equipment, stock etc..
I am not going to go into huge detail on the subject of the thread.. just to say anyone that chooses to play football can, just not many will be good enough to become a professional..
Simon
I have become an EcuTek dealer.. which costs lots of money and has not been considered within anyones post, plus the cost of equipment (datalogit, GEMs lead, Motec lead, Link lead, wideband) and maintaining that equipment, stock etc..
I am not going to go into huge detail on the subject of the thread.. just to say anyone that chooses to play football can, just not many will be good enough to become a professional..
Simon
simon i appreciate the equipment needed is costly and ecutek charge the license fee.
i was just curious as to the difference between ecutek and license free mapping apart from the cost.
anyways i will be in touch soon to arrange the map on mine once all me mod bits are fitted
05 July 2007, 11:27 PM
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It costs what it costs at the end of the day. A Prodrive performance ECU is more expensive 
I sold my WR ecu (as it was pants) for Ģ500 and paid Ģ600 for the remap.
I had my RB5 WR done five years ago when I first got it. I reckon I've made my money back now easily just by the savings I made on the fuel. 90 MPH on a run in the summer with air con on flat out, I managed 32.5 MPG
I'm happy paying for that and would do it again tomorrow
Cheers Phill
I sold my WR ecu (as it was pants) for Ģ500 and paid Ģ600 for the remap.I had my RB5 WR done five years ago when I first got it. I reckon I've made my money back now easily just by the savings I made on the fuel. 90 MPH on a run in the summer with air con on flat out, I managed 32.5 MPG
I'm happy paying for that and would do it again tomorrow
Cheers Phill
No one mentioned the increased MPG. I'm getting around 50 miles more per tank now over standard.
It doesn't take long to pay back the remap.
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06 July 2007, 12:11 AM
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I agree there should be a free market for this sort of thing but let's ask people who have posted on this thread what they would charge for a day's work in their own profession to reflect their skill ?
Cheers
Shaun
IMHO Bob Rawle like mastercard is.........
I agree there should be a free market for this sort of thing but let's ask people who have posted on this thread what they would charge for a day's work in their own profession to reflect their skill ?
Cheers
Shaun
IMHO Bob Rawle like mastercard is.........
06 July 2007, 12:54 AM
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It's very simple. In Britain, you pay the same for goods or service as what everyone else is also willing to pay. It's not a question of the skill or level of training involved at all. It's just the free market in action. All mappers charge roughly the same amount for a first time map, although remaps afterwards do vary. If one mapper went out on a limb and doubled his prices, he'd soon find himself losing business. If one did the opposite and halved his prices he'd initially find a lot of business, perhaps too much, other mappers would in time match his prices and claw back the business, the end result being everyone would be mapping cheaper and it would be very difficult to put the prices back up again as individual mappers. That's how cartels work unfortunately and most business-people in similar lines of business work in the same way. It's not a moral or a value for money issue. It's just business.
Think of house prices. People will pay half a million quid for a ****ty flat in London because if they don't, someone else will. Until people en masse take a chance, dig their heels in and refuse to pay for overpriced goods or services until the prices come down, we will always be 'rip-off Britain'. It's no-one's fault, it's just capitalism and free markets.
Think of house prices. People will pay half a million quid for a ****ty flat in London because if they don't, someone else will. Until people en masse take a chance, dig their heels in and refuse to pay for overpriced goods or services until the prices come down, we will always be 'rip-off Britain'. It's no-one's fault, it's just capitalism and free markets.
As i said, i had Richard at Powerstation do my Ecutek remap on my previous STI and it run oooohh so good after that. However, i have to say he used a map taken from a similar car set up a few weeks before and made some minor adjustments obviously shortening the time it took to map the car.
Canīt fault there professionalism mind!!
As for Pete, i presume you drive a standard uk 2000 WRX, (iīm presuming?) whats that 215 BHP? And i agree the driver ability does come into it to a degree.
I test drove a UK 2000 WRX from the dealer a few years ago. One owner, low mileage and slow as ****!! I asked the dealer if it was running right, he assured me it was. I read an old issue of the Parkers Price Guide the other day, they described the standard uk WRX as a "Scorcher". I was in fits of laughter! My mrs BMW E46 320 dt would have pi55ed all over it!!
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