chocolate_o_brian

iTrader: (22)

look, il make it quite clear. anyone looking to gain 100bhp from £100 obviously cant afford a subaru, never mind run one. cant believe im debating with a troll over this

*OH EIDITED FOR ACCURACY BY THE WAY*

Borat_Drives_A_Scooby

Are you for real ? He was going that fast that the impact of the crash caused the engine to leave the car and it flew through the air down the road and hit another car. Another witness said the car passed her going at around 100 mph or above.

L.J.F

iTrader: (31)

I dont think the whole engine left the bay you wingnut!!!!!! engine parts maybe, but not the whole lump.

100 bhp for £100!!!!!!

ive got a spare £500

DCI Gene Hunt

Isn't this a typical case of driving BEYOND your abilities rather than the type of car you're driving?

The sad thing is that the Subaru probably made it round that very same corner at high speed a hundred times before, leading to a false sense of security and overestimate of driver ability.... then on this occasion it failed... with severe consequences.....!

I'm just glad nobody was killed.

DCI

Borat_Drives_A_Scooby

DCI

Do you think that people should be made to take an advanced driving test or similar if they are driving a certain type of sports car that produces a certain level of bhp and torque.

If you make it harder for people to own these types of cars by putting obstacles in their way like an advanced driving test and high insurance then possibly the biggest number of owners will be enthusiasts.

Can you see the angle that i am coming from ? The idea needs fine tuning but for me its the right direction to be heading in. Its like on a provisional motorbike licence i don`t think you can ride something above 124cc, maybe a system should be put in place on a car licence that when a youth passes their test they are restricted to a certain CC for so long and you have to work your way up the ladder.

chocolate_o_brian

iTrader: (22)

without falling into yoor baiting trap lewis...

you realise vauxhall make a 197bhp version of their all conquering, all singing/dancing chav mobile... yes youve guessed it, the corsa

why would they stick a turbo in a corsa if you had to take extra tuition, tests etc to drive a hot hatch?

for the sake of 3bhp, my point is made

DCI Gene Hunt

BDAS - Feckin right they should

Its comical that you take driving lessons and your test in a 1000cc POS and then 'graduate' through to higher performance cars based on self taught 'experience' and what ever you can afford for insurance.

All performance car drivers should be required to undertake an advanced driving test in my opinion, simple really

chocolate_o_brian

iTrader: (22)

where would you draw the line dci? as in a power cap, and/or driving experience. im interested to discuss this, being a relatively new driver myself, with well over 200 horses under my right foot.

DCI Gene Hunt

On the insurance group ratings, its the only fair way

Borat_Drives_A_Scooby

Thank you, thats the point i have been trying to get across to these load of know it alls on here. I wouldn`t mind having to take an advanced driving test to drive a high powered car because if my driving is not upto scratch then i will be told this, we all think we can handle the extra power but we as individuals are not the judges and we shouldn`t be.

DCI Gene Hunt

Manchester United made all its players undertake advanced driving due to the performance of the cars they were buying. They didn't do this out of love, they did it to protect their investments, so its like taking that 'protection' policy and rolling it out nationwide.

No ones excluded, you can still drive performance cars, you just need additional instruction first

L.J.F

iTrader: (31)

whats to say that a flash 19 year old pass's the advanced drivers test, then goe's out in his high performance car driving it like a c*ck and kills somebody. He thinks just because he passed the test he can handle the car!!! nothing or no person can determine how we behave when driving because its down to a persons mentality. If your so passionate about about bad drivers having big cars why dont you sell your car and get yourself a lawnmower!!!

DCI Gene Hunt

That's not an argument is it

Look, your philosophy would has no one take any lessons for anything in case we assumed we new it all and ended up killing ourselves.

A '****' will probably end up killing himself anyway so we won't worry about them. This concerns drivers than DONT understand their own limits and assume they are great drivers, where in reality they aren't.

Anyone who's ever undertaken advanced driving or even a track day (or Prodrive day) comes away with a greater RESPECT for the car and an UNDERSTANDING of their OWN limitations. I've done all three and can 100% without question back this philosophy up.

You sound like a typical gobby idiot, the exact kind that I'd force this on.... just read back your own post and pay particular attention to your word "mentality"

(thanks for the example )

Borat_Drives_A_Scooby

This is a simple way how i would police it.

1. A new driver passing their test will be confined to driving a no higher CC vehicle for 2 years than what they passed their test in.

2. After the 2 year period a driver with 2 yrs driving experience can apply to be tested to own a vehicle upto 1600 cc, if they pass this advanced driving test then they are eligable to drive a vehicle of upto 1600 cc for a further 2 years.

3. After driving a vehicle of upto 1600 cc for 2 years a driver then can apply to be tested in a vehicle upto 2.0 cc, if they pass the advanced driving test for that vehicle then they are eligable to drive a vehicle of upto no more than 2.0 cc in bore stroke.

4. If at any point a driver picks up 6 pts for speeding offences during the 2 year period of driving any CC vehicle then they must re start their 2 year period again until they have driven a full 2 year period of not picking up 6 pts in speeding offences.

5. A driver from any of the above groups that picks up 6 pts or more from speeding offences shall be demoted to the next group down and will have to drive a full 2 year period in that group before they can be tested again to move back upto the group that they were demoted from.

Thats a rough outline, it can be modified or added too.

chocolate_o_brian

iTrader: (22)

as stated above being a "junior" driver with lots of power to play with, ive seriosuly considered a track day or training day, to really learn my own capabilities, and also expand/learn from them. i personally know im a naff driver, hence why i rarely drive in anger, and also why im concentrating on handling upgrades over a power hike.

what sort of gains did you recive from your various days dci. again insterested to know what improvements have been made from various experiences, especially in a contolled environment.

DCI Gene Hunt

CoB

In a nutshell the advanced stuff concentrates on your perception of things around you while you are driving, more like your awareness and avoiding situations before they happen and it really builds confidence.

The track days are great, especially the prodrive ones, you actually leave with a new appreciation of the brand and also your own limitations in driving it.

I went into the track day think I was already quite a good driver, I left knowing I would reach MY limitations before the car reached its, which is the greatest lesson you can learn.

For me it taught me to drive a speed safely, turning in points, road position, braking techniques, cornering, etc. and while I appreciate that you shouldn't drive on the road like that I definitley adjusted my driving style to include many of those techniques.

The skid pan goes without question

I don't want to type war & peace CoB but its made me a more complete driver and I've taken away skills that I was shown and applied them to my road driving which has made me more competent.

CoB - Do the Prodrive day, its a laugh, and then post back on here about your appreciation of the car

L.J.F

iTrader: (31)

no mate, you see ive had this car for over 8 months now and i still dont know it's limits, so i dont try to push it to them!!! as for my own driving abilities, well ive been driving for nearly 10 years and im still in 1 piece and that's because i choose not to drive like a idiot on the public roads. you say that when you complete the advanced drivers test you had a greater respect for the car, by that you must mean personally because you cannot speak all of those that have taken the test. As for being a "gobby idiot" my previous post was not aimed at you!!!

DCI Gene Hunt

You seem to have a lawnmower fetish there fella ....... forgive me now as I can't be bothered replying to your rantings