bootsy

i had alot of trouble with a firm i work for 2 years ago.different situation to yours (i went home early Christmas eve with the bosses permission ).the firm i worked for was run by a family who were looking for scapegoat and wonted me out so they didn't have to pay me off.i got a letter saying i had committed gross misconduct.i went to see Citizens Advice who told i haven't committed gross misconduct because thats only covers theft,abuse(sex or racial )fighting or dangerous working practice.they mediated for me before getting acas involved to set up tribunal.i was told to get another job sorted as it was getting nasty.i so wished they'd sack me I would of screwed them good and proper.at the tribunal they were in the **** because they didn't follow proper protocol no verbal,registered verbal,written and then final written was given.i didn't get that much but enough for a good holiday after 6 months of stress

Fuzz

The bottom line is whether you are prepared to take this **** for extra £££.

What you need to do is work out whether you'd rather have an easy life or lots of money.


Or on the other hand just stop dropping stuff.


Andy

hardsy555

find out who is resposable and stick the nut on him. you'll feel a whole lot better.
on a serious note though best of luck on what ever you decide mate. i work on my own all the time and sometimes get bored/lonely but then sometimes i think im very lucky not to be in some work places ive heard about

hardsy.

chocolate_o_brian

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ive just sent sonic a pm on these lines. simple thing is, its not the going rate. its well above the going rate. like £5-6k a year over the going rate. i simply cant afford to drop to a £15k a year job, for the reason of debt and my mortgage. i could drop a little, but all the jobs in the local paper/job centre site, advertise all these managers jobs etc, but theyre all for less than im on being a warehouse skivvy!

as said to sonic, i cant move as the house is an unfinished project with everything half done. i cant afford it, but if something came along around £18-19k a year (any hours) id jump at it, and make sacrifices.

kingofturds

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We had some goon drive one of those of the loading bay a few years back

Trout

iTrader: (1)

Standing back for a moment.

You are using a formal procedure against the company.

And you are complaining that they are using formal procedure against you.

I would suggest that as you have a formal procedure against them then they have no alternative, they are obliged to treat every interaction with you as formal procedure.

You cannot sue your employer and then expect them to treat incidents with you in a discretionary basis.

chocolate_o_brian

iTrader: (22)

read the original post rannoch!

if they choose to follow the proper procedures with me, i have no problem with that. BUT... when the same type of incident/accident occurs involving another emlpoyee, they choose not to follow the same procedure. erm, somethings wrong there. thats my point. if they follow employment law, they should carry out the same procedures for every case/scenario, not just mine because im sueing them over something that was THEIR fault originally.

im repeating myself here arent i? sorry to snap.

Trout

iTrader: (1)

I did read your posts.

I will repeat myself - incidents that may normally be treated on a discretionary basis will not in your case. Whether the company is at fault or not they are subject to formal procedure, so are you.

You cannot have it both ways.

Of course you may point out the inconsistency and you may feel it has some bearing on your situation. I am suggesting that it probably does not.


Let me use an analogy. You get stopped by the police for speeding a little. You tell the officer you want his badge number, a copy of his notebook, the calibration certificate for his speedo/ray gun. In all likelihood the officer will then completely check out your car and go through everything by the book and make sure he notes every offence from a bald flat to a broken indicator bulb to the chipped windscreen.

In the second case you say, oh dear, I am really sorry officer. I was having a silly few minutes there. I will pay more attention and sorry that you had to stop me. The chances are you may get a warning or a just the basic slip and be on your way.

Inconsistent, yes. Human nature, yes.

chocolate_o_brian

iTrader: (22)

i see what your saying, but that still doesnt account to as why they havent followed the same procedure with the two incidents. by this i mean, photographs taken, statements taken, investigations carried out. oh and the mandatory breathalizer. this isnt human nature, its pretty blatant that they havent follwed their own guidelines. these are not down to the disgretion of the shift leaders. these are guidleines that have to be followed as soon as something is broken (ie cases of products) in any incident accident.

oh and the small matter of these two shift leaders who were blatantly picking up potentially broken cases/products without wearing correct p.p.e. that in itself is a disciplinary hearing for one of the warehouse ops. thats my killer punch to show im not letting this one go.

simple solution is, ive kept quiet noe for around 2 years, with all the crap that has followed etc. i even didnt bother arguing the waring i recieved from decembers disciplinary. now ive had enough. for some reason, past examples being the precedent, if you fight fire with firem these guys seem to respect you more for it. thats not my aim, im getting fairness out of being victimised, and im also looking for employment elsewhere, while i consult my union regional manager and also contemplate constructive dismissal.

with the anolgy you gave regards the bobby stopping you. gernerally i believe they have a degree of crepency they can give out. its a totally different example to my conditions. theres not maybe, its generally yes, or no. as stated above, i do see where your coming from, but hopefully through all the frustration and hurt feelings, you see my grievences too.

im trying to follow this in the mature correct manner, so if it does go to court for unfair treatment, i have at least followed the correct procedures, even if "that lot" havent.