VXR 200 Turbo vs MY 03 STI
23 July 2007, 12:03 PM
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Why can't I comment?
It's not the threads I don't like so much, it's the dimwits that decide it's a good idea to post them.
Listen, I love driving my car fast, I wouldn't have if I didn't, but racing is just crazy, and should be challenged by every responsible person on here.
If people weren't slightly embarrased by what they are typing then they wouldn't use terms like 'I had a play', or 'an encounter', they'd call it what it is.
People just don't understand that all reason goes out the window when people race, a persons judgement it completed bypassed by the 'need to win'.
Also you may well be racing in a responsible manner (if thats possible), but how do you know what the wally you are racing is going to do? If he has a crash, or hits someone or something, then YOU are also responsible and will have the book thrown at you.
It's not the threads I don't like so much, it's the dimwits that decide it's a good idea to post them.
Listen, I love driving my car fast, I wouldn't have if I didn't, but racing is just crazy, and should be challenged by every responsible person on here.
If people weren't slightly embarrased by what they are typing then they wouldn't use terms like 'I had a play', or 'an encounter', they'd call it what it is.
People just don't understand that all reason goes out the window when people race, a persons judgement it completed bypassed by the 'need to win'.
Also you may well be racing in a responsible manner (if thats possible), but how do you know what the wally you are racing is going to do? If he has a crash, or hits someone or something, then YOU are also responsible and will have the book thrown at you.
23 July 2007, 12:06 PM
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23 July 2007, 12:12 PM
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. We aren't talking about some lard bottomed rwd beemer.
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23 July 2007, 01:14 PM
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24 July 2007, 11:23 AM
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rwd vauxhall, better in the wet than an 4wd-impreza hmmm if you say so 
driving skill is irrelevant, cos I would compare both with the same skill of driver.
driving skill is irrelevant, cos I would compare both with the same skill of driver.
24 July 2007, 11:33 AM
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As much as I would like to argue with you, you obviously have vastly more experience than I with decent RWD cars than I do and therefore must be right..........
Sarcasm?
I wasn't saying that it would be better but a well balanced light and grippy rwd car does pretty damn well for itself in the wet. Shockingly our Imprezas aren't the only cars capable of this.............
Sarcasm?
I wasn't saying that it would be better but a well balanced light and grippy rwd car does pretty damn well for itself in the wet. Shockingly our Imprezas aren't the only cars capable of this.............
24 July 2007, 11:56 AM
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24 July 2007, 01:13 PM
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well until someone can show me a vauxhall out performing an impreza in the pouring rain then we shall agree to disagree 
i suppose next this magical vxr will be outdoing a 4wd range rover over mud due to the sheer brilliance of the drift maniac driver
ok little *iss take i know, I just dont believe a rwd vxr will keep up with an impreza in wet conditions all things be equal e.g driver.
i suppose next this magical vxr will be outdoing a 4wd range rover over mud due to the sheer brilliance of the drift maniac driver
ok little *iss take i know, I just dont believe a rwd vxr will keep up with an impreza in wet conditions all things be equal e.g driver.
25 July 2007, 12:31 AM
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I wish it were that easy
It has to be an approved VX220 (or Monaro in my case) specialist (if you want warantee work, obviously under new EU regs ANY garage can service it without penalty...even a Subaru garage...if you wanted to that is
).Still, getting charged £25 for 7litres of Helix Ultra is one of the best deals I've ever had on a main dealer service
..... (even when the car only needed 6 litres 
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25 July 2007, 01:07 AM
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just to add my experience with the vx220 Turbo.
When they were first released I was lucky enough to attend a track day at the Bedford Autodrome with the guys from the Jonothan Palmer Racing School.
I don't have much experience on track but that is about as fast as I would like to go.
The guy from the race school spent most of his time telling me to accelerate harder and to brake later into corners.
We all kid ourselves we can drive ok & after a while I thought I was doing quite well for an amatuer then the instuctor took a turn in the drivers seat with me as the passenger.
Well I thought I had a pretty firm grasp of the laws of physics but these guys are on another level. I was pushing the car to what I thought were its limits but I was nowhere near,as I found out.That's about as fast as I have been in a car and it was fantastic once you realise the guy is not a homicidal maniac & trying to kill you by scaring you to death.
So the vx220 turbo IS a fast car!!
But as always the real defining factor is the driver.
When they were first released I was lucky enough to attend a track day at the Bedford Autodrome with the guys from the Jonothan Palmer Racing School.
I don't have much experience on track but that is about as fast as I would like to go.
The guy from the race school spent most of his time telling me to accelerate harder and to brake later into corners.
We all kid ourselves we can drive ok & after a while I thought I was doing quite well for an amatuer then the instuctor took a turn in the drivers seat with me as the passenger.
Well I thought I had a pretty firm grasp of the laws of physics but these guys are on another level. I was pushing the car to what I thought were its limits but I was nowhere near,as I found out.That's about as fast as I have been in a car and it was fantastic once you realise the guy is not a homicidal maniac & trying to kill you by scaring you to death.
So the vx220 turbo IS a fast car!!
But as always the real defining factor is the driver.
26 July 2007, 01:11 PM
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Unlike most of the opinionators ( ) I actually owned a VX220 turbo three years back (sold my STi Type UK PPP for it). Great little fun car. Oh, and I also did the Vauxhall VX day at Bedford (twice) and posted a best lap of under 1.22 in one of Mr Palmer's knackered old cars. Not a slow car!
) I actually owned a VX220 turbo three years back (sold my STi Type UK PPP for it). Great little fun car. Oh, and I also did the Vauxhall VX day at Bedford (twice) and posted a best lap of under 1.22 in one of Mr Palmer's knackered old cars. Not a slow car!
26 July 2007, 02:13 PM
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dont know if anyones interested but the stig at topgear recorded a lap time for the vxr,it was over a second slower,and the sti wrx was 2 seconds quicker.
Top Gear | The Stig's lap times
and WTF? difference does it make if one calls it racing,playing or anything else,it maybe irresponsible,but get a life,its like having a one night stand and not using a jonny,its irresponsible but it happens get a life.
Top Gear | The Stig's lap times
and WTF? difference does it make if one calls it racing,playing or anything else,it maybe irresponsible,but get a life,its like having a one night stand and not using a jonny,its irresponsible but it happens get a life.
But some people are responsible for their actions and some just blame anyone and anything
27 July 2007, 01:00 PM
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Unlike most of the opinionators ( ) I actually owned a VX220 turbo three years back (sold my STi Type UK PPP for it). Great little fun car. Oh, and I also did the Vauxhall VX day at Bedford (twice) and posted a best lap of under 1.22 in one of Mr Palmer's knackered old cars. Not a slow car!
) I actually owned a VX220 turbo three years back (sold my STi Type UK PPP for it). Great little fun car. Oh, and I also did the Vauxhall VX day at Bedford (twice) and posted a best lap of under 1.22 in one of Mr Palmer's knackered old cars. Not a slow car!I remember you saying it was Kin quick
what driving now ?Tony
27 July 2007, 01:14 PM
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Hi Tony
Long time no speak, hope you are ok
Currently driving a PPP'd '05 Forester XT 2.5 (260/280), put a deposit down on a GB270 wagon yesterday
Long time no speak, hope you are ok
Currently driving a PPP'd '05 Forester XT 2.5 (260/280), put a deposit down on a GB270 wagon yesterday
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28 July 2007, 02:19 AM
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unfortuntely the Bugeye'd STi died in action just before 3rd birthday .Now driving a Hawkeye'd Type 20 and is fecking awesome
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Dont usually play with other cars....However last night found myself playing on a dual carriageway and at a set of lights with 54 plate VXR 220 turbo. I think it was all round quicker than me. Faster through the gears, tighter on the curves and quicker from the lights (which he jumped but even if he had not i suspect he had an edge), Only marginally in all areas but quicker none the less.
I drive an 03 sti with a H & S 2.5 inch exhaust, Walbro fuel pump, Bilstien springs,ecu tek remap White line anti roll with linkage and using 345 BHP and 340 lb torque.
Should this guy have an edge or am I a 47 year old past it slow git of a driver?
I drive an 03 sti with a H & S 2.5 inch exhaust, Walbro fuel pump, Bilstien springs,ecu tek remap White line anti roll with linkage and using 345 BHP and 340 lb torque.
Should this guy have an edge or am I a 47 year old past it slow git of a driver?
At 930KG's that's a PWR of 252bhp/tonne.
I think a MY03 STi weighs about what (sorry don't know the exact) but at a guess, 1395KG's? That gives a PWR of 248bhp/tonne.
So no, it's not you
The VX is a great little car. I am very pleased with it. Just to give you a benchmark in terms of how quick it is on the track, I previously owned a track prepped Evo VII. It had a full cage, AP's, coilovers and was putting out over 340bhp. Around Cadwell I was lapping at about 1:45 secs.
In the VXR I can lap the same circuit in the 1:41 bracket.
As a reference point, in the Evo Magazine "Road and Track Car of the Year 2007" feature, I seem to remember the Impreza RB320 lapping at mid 1:44 as it's best time. But really you shouldn't compare them as they are so different, especially from a driver's standpoint; I can't drive the VX in the same way I could previously drive the Evo. Hope this helps
28 July 2007, 11:24 AM
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I own a MY05 VXR220. It has a mild remap, and is putting aout 235bhp (std out of the factory is 220bhp, and the VX Turbo is 200bhp).
At 930KG's that's a PWR of 252bhp/tonne.
I think a MY03 STi weighs about what (sorry don't know the exact) but at a guess, 1395KG's? That gives a PWR of 248bhp/tonne.
So no, it's not you
The VX is a great little car. I am very pleased with it. Just to give you a benchmark in terms of how quick it is on the track, I previously owned a track prepped Evo VII. It had a full cage, AP's, coilovers and was putting out over 340bhp. Around Cadwell I was lapping at about 1:45 secs.
In the VXR I can lap the same circuit in the 1:41 bracket.
As a reference point, in the Evo Magazine "Road and Track Car of the Year 2007" feature, I seem to remember the Impreza RB320 lapping at mid 1:44 as it's best time. But really you shouldn't compare them as they are so different, especially from a driver's standpoint; I can't drive the VX in the same way I could previously drive the Evo. Hope this helps
At 930KG's that's a PWR of 252bhp/tonne.
I think a MY03 STi weighs about what (sorry don't know the exact) but at a guess, 1395KG's? That gives a PWR of 248bhp/tonne.
So no, it's not you
The VX is a great little car. I am very pleased with it. Just to give you a benchmark in terms of how quick it is on the track, I previously owned a track prepped Evo VII. It had a full cage, AP's, coilovers and was putting out over 340bhp. Around Cadwell I was lapping at about 1:45 secs.
In the VXR I can lap the same circuit in the 1:41 bracket.
As a reference point, in the Evo Magazine "Road and Track Car of the Year 2007" feature, I seem to remember the Impreza RB320 lapping at mid 1:44 as it's best time. But really you shouldn't compare them as they are so different, especially from a driver's standpoint; I can't drive the VX in the same way I could previously drive the Evo. Hope this helps
Interesting, thanks for sharing. Sounds like a great wee car (even if I'm not entirely clear on the engine/bhp/weight of the Elise/Exige/VX220 etc).
Newage Sti is almost 100kg more than you state, BTW.
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28 July 2007, 11:34 AM
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Hi Dave. That GB270 does look pretty good - could be a bit of a classic, based on the looks of the new car!Chris
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If you expect others to agree with your comment then you are wrong.
The vast majority on hear, wether you like it or not, have done or will "race" at some point, these cars are made to go fast and you really need a wake up call if you think anything diffrent.
Personally , yes, I have raced against other cars in situations, conditions, places that I feel were suitable and I am not embarassed whatsoever.
I just wish more would take their chances against me.
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Bob.
This is a good shot of your car (nice car BTW):
https://www.scoobynet.com/scooby.php...o&photoid=6516
How do you keep it so clean?
TX.
This is a good shot of your car (nice car BTW):
https://www.scoobynet.com/scooby.php...o&photoid=6516
How do you keep it so clean?
TX.
30 July 2007, 08:22 AM
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Hi Chris
I wasn't intending to go for another Impreza, but saw the press release blurb in our local paper and decided there and then to go for the wagon
Just had to persuade the missus My sales pitch was so long she lost the will to live half way through Didn't quite go to Powerpoint and OHP but not far off lol.
I might just venture back on track at some point with this one.........
I wasn't intending to go for another Impreza, but saw the press release blurb in our local paper and decided there and then to go for the wagon
Just had to persuade the missus
My sales pitch was so long she lost the will to live half way through Didn't quite go to Powerpoint and OHP but not far off lol. I might just venture back on track at some point with this one.........
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