which classic is the quickest in stock?
28 July 2007, 08:23 PM
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these cars are most certanly not ment to be "thrashed", and "these cars" are most definatly not playthings.
when i said about being stock, i was replying to you, when you said "once you have fitted ecu / exhaust tmic etc etc" (and the OP was talking about stock cars)
just a footnote, you seem to have lost the advantage of "lightweight" on your RA by adding all those extras (view my/your scooby)
but it looks like a very nice clean car
well done.
good luck
when i said about being stock, i was replying to you, when you said "once you have fitted ecu / exhaust tmic etc etc" (and the OP was talking about stock cars)
just a footnote, you seem to have lost the advantage of "lightweight" on your RA by adding all those extras (view my/your scooby)
but it looks like a very nice clean car
well done.good luck
28 July 2007, 08:25 PM
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Why argue and compare ? 
In a straight line race with an RA and Type R, say for arguments sake to 100mph with with an experienced racing driver behind each wheel there will probably be nothing in it, therefore even.
In a straight line race with an RA and Type R, say for arguments sake to 100mph with with an experienced racing driver behind each wheel there will probably be nothing in it, therefore even.
28 July 2007, 08:32 PM
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Ra's (race altered) and Type R's which is the quickest in stock form does not matter a jot how many stock ones do you know of ? its all what our creative streaks do to these cars to make them quicker that counts and thats what makes it fun i mean who wants a stock one of these?
28 July 2007, 08:33 PM
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oh dear you dont know your car do you 
RA does not mean rally altered
R does come with a roof vent (WRC model, i have one) and it was not for opening when warm?? it was to reduce cabin pressure
WRC type R does not have air bag
i could go on, but that will do for now.
parting shot....type R 22B
RA does not mean rally altered
R does come with a roof vent (WRC model, i have one)
and it was not for opening when warm?? it was to reduce cabin pressure WRC type R does not have air bag
i could go on, but that will do for now.
parting shot....type R 22B
Ok OK I admit defeat bluerigster worded it better than me
And I know a roof vent isn't a mini sunroof . But an Ra is a much lighter car than the Type R. It has none of creature comforts that the Type R has. And please tell me what Ra stands for then ?? I've been told race altered,rally altered, road attacker
Please if your a man of knowledge put me out my misery.
28 July 2007, 08:40 PM
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WTF? I've got a RA version 6 and I have an airbag, leccy windows and mirrors plus AC and a roof vent..
I tell you what I honestly didn't know that..
When i was looking into buying a Type R/Ra I never once in the 2 months of looking saw one for sale with that spec.
Subaru made far to many versions of the Impreza - In fact i think it's ridiculous just how many different versions and variants there are.
WTF?
I've got a RA version 6 and I have an airbag, leccy windows and mirrors plus AC and a roof vent.. I tell you what I honestly didn't know that..
When i was looking into buying a Type R/Ra I never once in the 2 months of looking saw one for sale with that spec.
Subaru made far to many versions of the Impreza - In fact i think it's ridiculous just how many different versions and variants there are.
28 July 2007, 09:35 PM
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WRX Type RA is the quickest of them all. My totally unbiased opinion .As for the real meaning of RA = Rapid Animal
Just kidding guys i own an Ra myself and they are certainly very quick cars. I can't comment on the Type r as i have never been in one. I know that the earlier Ra's had a larger differential than the later Ra's making them quicker through the gears and more violent accelerating. I can understand people not being able to cope with the short ratio's on motorways but then again the impreza has never been known as a motorway cruiser. All i can say is if you purchase an Ra be prepared to form a very close relationship with the staff at your local petrol station
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.As for the real meaning of RA = Rapid Animal Just kidding guys i own an Ra myself and they are certainly very quick cars. I can't comment on the Type r as i have never been in one. I know that the earlier Ra's had a larger differential than the later Ra's making them quicker through the gears and more violent accelerating. I can understand people not being able to cope with the short ratio's on motorways but then again the impreza has never been known as a motorway cruiser. All i can say is if you purchase an Ra be prepared to form a very close relationship with the staff at your local petrol station
James
Jon (Bluerigster) Hurry up and get the monster ready for action.
28 July 2007, 10:39 PM
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you also need to check your specs.
type R WRC 555 STI had a sand cast closed deck block (not die cast) and had a confirmed 300bhp and was blueprinted. so that negates the slight weight thingy.
check the homologation specs for the 1997 car.
oh, and white cars are the fastest.
i love this thread.
type R WRC 555 STI had a sand cast closed deck block (not die cast) and had a confirmed 300bhp and was blueprinted. so that negates the slight weight thingy.
check the homologation specs for the 1997 car.
oh, and white cars are the fastest.
i love this thread.
As the gentlemans agreement fell by the waste sides and the real performance figure were released, both the Type R and RA V6 were quoted as having 300bhp.
The type RA is a lighter car running the same power as a type R (standard) and yes the white cars are faster.
29 July 2007, 08:12 AM
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If you have all the windows shut, and the roof vent is opened and is scooping air into the car, it will surely increase cabin pressure
my opinion of it is that the drivers cant open the windows on a rally, the cleanest air will be going over the top of the car, so a roof vent is there to scoop air into the cabin and cool the driver down... mine does anyway, a nice cool blast down the back of my neck
as for which is quicker... i'm not sure, will have to check my book for the definitive answer. is it just out of the jap cars excluding the 22b? no P1 included??
29 July 2007, 03:30 PM
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RA=race altered
R=Retna which was the code name for the R shell (or atleast I think its retna)
The RA will be the quicker of the 2, and believe it or not, 4 doors make for the stiffer shell (plus you have all the extra cooling from the oil cooler which the R didnt get).
Either one is good, both push out 276bhp, some more, some less, none ever pushed out 300bhp.
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R=Retna which was the code name for the R shell (or atleast I think its retna
)The RA will be the quicker of the 2, and believe it or not, 4 doors make for the stiffer shell
(plus you have all the extra cooling from the oil cooler which the R didnt get).Either one is good, both push out 276bhp, some more, some less, none ever pushed out 300bhp.
Tony
29 July 2007, 04:37 PM
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subaru S201 quickest subs off production
hi i think its the S201 have read at the orginal S201 web page translated version
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Type R STI V3 276BHP 1250kgs = 221 Bhp per ton
Type RA V3 276Bhp 1180kgs= 234 Bhp per ton
S201 Sti 297Bhp 1270kgs = 234 Bhp per ton
22b 2.2L 276Bhp max greater torque of 268lbft 1270kgs = 217 Bhp per ton
Type RA V3 276Bhp 1180kgs= 234 Bhp per ton
S201 Sti 297Bhp 1270kgs = 234 Bhp per ton
22b 2.2L 276Bhp max greater torque of 268lbft 1270kgs = 217 Bhp per ton
30 July 2007, 02:02 AM
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RA - can come with electrics and A/C they were factory options.
I have seen some specs saying the type R was 1200kg - A friend weighed his and was about that figure.
To be honest i never trust factory weight figures - u really need to weigh them on an accurate scale yee self
IMO - the RA and R are so close its not worth worrying about in the real world
Also quickest on a road with corners would favour the later models v5 v6 as they had better shocks.
I have seen some specs saying the type R was 1200kg - A friend weighed his and was about that figure.
To be honest i never trust factory weight figures - u really need to weigh them on an accurate scale yee self
IMO - the RA and R are so close its not worth worrying about in the real world
Also quickest on a road with corners would favour the later models v5 v6 as they had better shocks.
30 July 2007, 02:52 AM
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RA=race altered
R=Retna which was the code name for the R shell (or atleast I think its retna)
The RA will be the quicker of the 2, and believe it or not, 4 doors make for the stiffer shell (plus you have all the extra cooling from the oil cooler which the R didnt get).
Either one is good, both push out 276bhp, some more, some less, none ever pushed out 300bhp.
Tony
R=Retna which was the code name for the R shell (or atleast I think its retna
)The RA will be the quicker of the 2, and believe it or not, 4 doors make for the stiffer shell
(plus you have all the extra cooling from the oil cooler which the R didnt get).Either one is good, both push out 276bhp, some more, some less, none ever pushed out 300bhp.
Tony
actually, as far as i know....and i'm pretty sure.....
RA stands for record attempt....
RA-R is Record Attempt - Racing or Racy even.
Those crazy japs......
30 July 2007, 11:53 AM
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How on earth does it 'reduce' cabin pressure
If you have all the windows shut, and the roof vent is opened and is scooping air into the car, it will surely increase cabin pressure
my opinion of it is that the drivers cant open the windows on a rally, the cleanest air will be going over the top of the car, so a roof vent is there to scoop air into the cabin and cool the driver down... mine does anyway, a nice cool blast down the back of my neck
as for which is quicker... i'm not sure, will have to check my book for the definitive answer. is it just out of the jap cars excluding the 22b? no P1 included??
If you have all the windows shut, and the roof vent is opened and is scooping air into the car, it will surely increase cabin pressure
my opinion of it is that the drivers cant open the windows on a rally, the cleanest air will be going over the top of the car, so a roof vent is there to scoop air into the cabin and cool the driver down... mine does anyway, a nice cool blast down the back of my neck
as for which is quicker... i'm not sure, will have to check my book for the definitive answer. is it just out of the jap cars excluding the 22b? no P1 included??
OK, here we go,"roof closed"...pressure increases "roof open" presure released (atmospherics) all rally cars were/are seamed welded, and as a result of that the inner (cabin) pressure built up, the roof vent was put on the WRC cars as a means of releasing this pressure during "oppertunities", it did also act as ventalation during slow stages or when they could, it was never designed to be used at speeds over 40mph (so no use for rally stages)
ive nearly lost fingers trying to close it at speeds of around 50 mph.
and the type R car was quite a bit stronger chassis wise due to the fully sealed rear bulkhead (4 door car had "open rear"
thats why subaru used the type R as there WRC cars from 1997 onwards untill the "stronger/stiffer" new age came along.
i agree the RA is about 50kg lighter (no fat driver jokes here)
but if you strip out the ancillires the car (type R) would have a good advantage.
but i know the thread was about stock.
anybody up for a mahoosive race with just R & RA's that would be better than the "tunnel run"
id love to own both.
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Now if you want the proper name for a spec c type RA (which does mean record attempt) then its this
WRX STI Spec C type RA, its just that they use Specification competition rather than RA now (for race altered) and the type RA for record attempt, but the classics are race altered Tony
25 September 2007, 11:25 PM
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good read that, especially as i was thinking of asking the same question,as i fancy one or the other, i think an ra would suit my driving style most, go to work on b roads etc, the one off putting thing is the top speed of the ra, what is it exactly? 130mph? its more the comments people have made about the motorway driving which is a concern really, is it possible to give it a good top end, whilst keeping the close ratio gears for good acceleration? can the box be altered to do this?
cheers
i think an ra would suit my driving style most, go to work on b roads etc, the one off putting thing is the top speed of the ra, what is it exactly? 130mph? its more the comments people have made about the motorway driving which is a concern really, is it possible to give it a good top end, whilst keeping the close ratio gears for good acceleration? can the box be altered to do this? cheers
26 September 2007, 11:39 AM
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What about the wagons 
Sorry,i couldn't resist....
But how cool would it of looked if the late,great ledge Mr.McRae was seen behind the wheel of a wagon coming over a crest flat out
Good tread though
Sorry,i couldn't resist....
But how cool would it of looked if the late,great ledge Mr.McRae was seen behind the wheel of a wagon coming over a crest flat out
Good tread though
27 September 2007, 08:01 PM
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Ra means Rally Altered - Meaning lets go Rally..
No Rally driver switches the aircon on (Type R) when it gets a little warm.
He will however open his Roof Vent ( Type-Ra ) when a little warm.
A Rally driver wont use his electric window's ( Type R ) again when warm or use his electric mirrors ( Type R ) to see what's behind him.
He will however have to wind down his window ( Type-Ra ) and adjust his mirrors by hand ( Type-Ra ) to see what's behind him.
A Rally driver wont have an airbag ( Type R ) go off in his face if he hit's a tree.
He will however go flying through the windscreen ( Type-Ra ) and taste the bark.
Type-Ra's rock in std form ..
Nothing comes close for the sole purpose of what Subaru built these cars for other than the 22b..
No Rally driver switches the aircon on (Type R) when it gets a little warm.
He will however open his Roof Vent ( Type-Ra ) when a little warm.
A Rally driver wont use his electric window's ( Type R ) again when warm or use his electric mirrors ( Type R ) to see what's behind him.
He will however have to wind down his window ( Type-Ra ) and adjust his mirrors by hand ( Type-Ra ) to see what's behind him.
A Rally driver wont have an airbag ( Type R ) go off in his face if he hit's a tree.
He will however go flying through the windscreen ( Type-Ra ) and taste the bark.
Type-Ra's rock in std form ..
Nothing comes close for the sole purpose of what Subaru built these cars for other than the 22b..
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Regarding the high revs at motorway speeds, valid point - 4.5k RPM is not ideal for long journeys! but if you're driving a modified RA with 316bhp per ton you'll be far too busy smiling and you shouldn't be able to hear the high rpm over the turbo whine when using right foot
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