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05 September 2007, 11:25 AM
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05 September 2007, 11:28 AM
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I find it extremely worrying, once they lever it in, then there will be a annual charge to "maintain" it. The pros will hack it (eg by nobbling a clerk DVLA style) What next airtax?
The nothing to hide B*llsh*t will rise and flood everyone.
Poor old george Orwell: he who contols the past, controls the present, controls the present controls the future etc
The nothing to hide B*llsh*t will rise and flood everyone.
Poor old george Orwell: he who contols the past, controls the present, controls the present controls the future etc
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05 September 2007, 11:34 AM
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05 September 2007, 11:56 AM
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Lets fight back, lets get this country into the kind of place where your grannies and daughters can walk the street at night, where you can drive the car of your choice and park it where you wish, where the door on your house is locked simply to stop the wind blowing it open.
I thought you had more spine than that Mr Lewis, you are starting to sound like a spoon fed liberal tit..
05 September 2007, 11:59 AM
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you been down the station to volunteer your dna then pete? if it is such a great idea then lead by example.
then when the labour (well any government because they are all as bad as each other) govt sell the DNA database to insurance companies in 2 years time to cover their huge huge debts and you can't get life/health insurance because your genes are defective don't come crying to me.
then when the labour (well any government because they are all as bad as each other) govt sell the DNA database to insurance companies in 2 years time to cover their huge huge debts and you can't get life/health insurance because your genes are defective don't come crying to me.
05 September 2007, 12:14 PM
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.Whats the point of the police if it just a question of gathering at the scene,feeding it through a machine and pulling a result out the other end?
05 September 2007, 12:21 PM
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Its a sad thought isnt it.. Yes we'll have a brilliant way of convicting the criminals just no way of preventing the bloody crimes in the first place.. Almost a Magistrates express check-out.. Maybe while we are at it we can build a wall in the middle of the UK and call one side a Prison?
Wont the stats look fantastic on paper Mr Brown!!
Wont the stats look fantastic on paper Mr Brown!!
05 September 2007, 12:24 PM
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ah the old "if you have nothing to hide" bull****, yes something is bothering me, many of the fators already mentioned on this thread combined with the fact that I don't trust the (any) government to look after my best interests when they eventually force us all to provide samples.
i have no criminal record and have "nothing to hide", but i disagree with a national dna database. this is my opinion and it would take a lot more than a "nothing to hide" argument to sway it.
i have no criminal record and have "nothing to hide", but i disagree with a national dna database. this is my opinion and it would take a lot more than a "nothing to hide" argument to sway it.
05 September 2007, 12:49 PM
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I agree generally with the principles quoted by Pete Brant. Its a matter of mistrusting everyone in the country come what may or only after they have demonstrated their character by actually committing a criminal offence.
I also agree with PSL when he says it is about time that the law enforcers really get tough with those convicted of serious crime. Its is a pity that his hero's soundbite about crime and its causes was just yet another load of old cobblers to go with all the rest!
Les
I also agree with PSL when he says it is about time that the law enforcers really get tough with those convicted of serious crime. Its is a pity that his hero's soundbite about crime and its causes was just yet another load of old cobblers to go with all the rest!
Les
05 September 2007, 12:58 PM
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All it will mean is less work for the police and more load for the judicial/prison system and more money from Mr Joe Public..
Its a farse!
Look at the automated speeding convictions, most people dont even know they have commited an offence until the ticket hits their door mat.. HOW THE HELL has that helped? Shouldnt there be a traffic officer pulling people over and showing them videos of decapitated children who have been killed by speeding motorists?
05 September 2007, 12:58 PM
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I agree generally with the principles quoted by Pete Brant. Its a matter of mistrusting everyone in the country come what may or only after they have demonstrated their character by actually committing a criminal offence.
I also agree with PSL when he says it is about time that the law enforcers really get tough with those convicted of serious crime. Its is a pity that his hero's soundbite about crime and its causes was just yet another load of old cobblers to go with all the rest!
Les
I also agree with PSL when he says it is about time that the law enforcers really get tough with those convicted of serious crime. Its is a pity that his hero's soundbite about crime and its causes was just yet another load of old cobblers to go with all the rest!
Les
See also the recent attacks by Brown and Cameron on violent media (films and such)
Sort out the basics first, you know, get the necessary investment in the police force, give them the numbers they need as well as sorting out the prisons problem as and giving real incentive for people to behave themselves.
Then come back and say we need to have a DNA databse when all of that doesnt work.
05 September 2007, 01:01 PM
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Sort out the basics first, you know, get the necessary investment in the police force, give them the numbers they need as well as sorting out the prisons problem as and giving real incentive for people to behave themselves.
Then come back and say we need to have a DNA databse when all of that doesnt work.
Then come back and say we need to have a DNA databse when all of that doesnt work.
05 September 2007, 02:09 PM
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05 September 2007, 03:49 PM
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We do not yet have the technology to record your thoughts at source.
Rest assured Dear Citizen, we are working on that.
Then you will be truly able to live a happy life.
Last edited by Vegescoob; 05 September 2007 at 03:52 PM. Reason: Grammar.
05 September 2007, 03:57 PM
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Finally!!
Some sensible views from the Judges bench .....
This is something I have long been a supporter of ......
EVERYONE on the DNA database .... I would also add blood sample and fingerprints.
Start in the Pikey Parks, Council Estates and Gypsy Camps ..... that will solve 95% of all crime.
Then migrate into the more affluent areas to mop up the final 5%.
Anyone who objects would be guilty of a criminal offence and therefore need their DNA, Fingerprints, photo taken in any case
Lets fight back, lets get this country into the kind of place where your grannies and daughters can walk the street at night, where you can drive the car of your choice and park it where you wish, where the door on your house is locked simply to stop the wind blowing it open.
Some sensible views from the Judges bench .....
This is something I have long been a supporter of ......
EVERYONE on the DNA database .... I would also add blood sample and fingerprints.
Start in the Pikey Parks, Council Estates and Gypsy Camps ..... that will solve 95% of all crime.
Then migrate into the more affluent areas to mop up the final 5%.
Anyone who objects would be guilty of a criminal offence and therefore need their DNA, Fingerprints, photo taken in any case
Lets fight back, lets get this country into the kind of place where your grannies and daughters can walk the street at night, where you can drive the car of your choice and park it where you wish, where the door on your house is locked simply to stop the wind blowing it open.
did you know that the home office has just quietly admitted to there being 400,000 DNA identity errors on the existing database? what are they doing to correct the errors? er, they won't say. will heads roll? naturally, no.
designed by idiots. operated by monkeys. managed by the home office. or is it the ministry of justice - MiniJust - these days?
and you thought it was foolproof. welcome to the real world of public sector and ministerial incompetence lewis. don't wish our hard-fought freedoms away: you should be asking for political accountability, a police free from bureacracy and a judiciary free from the EBoHR.
05 September 2007, 08:09 PM
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Finally!!
Some sensible views from the Judges bench .....
This is something I have long been a supporter of ......
EVERYONE on the DNA database .... I would also add blood sample and fingerprints.
Start in the Pikey Parks, Council Estates and Gypsy Camps ..... that will solve 95% of all crime.
Then migrate into the more affluent areas to mop up the final 5%.
Anyone who objects would be guilty of a criminal offence and therefore need their DNA, Fingerprints, photo taken in any case
Lets fight back, lets get this country into the kind of place where your grannies and daughters can walk the street at night, where you can drive the car of your choice and park it where you wish, where the door on your house is locked simply to stop the wind blowing it open.
Some sensible views from the Judges bench .....
This is something I have long been a supporter of ......
EVERYONE on the DNA database .... I would also add blood sample and fingerprints.
Start in the Pikey Parks, Council Estates and Gypsy Camps ..... that will solve 95% of all crime.
Then migrate into the more affluent areas to mop up the final 5%.
Anyone who objects would be guilty of a criminal offence and therefore need their DNA, Fingerprints, photo taken in any case
Lets fight back, lets get this country into the kind of place where your grannies and daughters can walk the street at night, where you can drive the car of your choice and park it where you wish, where the door on your house is locked simply to stop the wind blowing it open.
05 September 2007, 09:11 PM
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05 September 2007, 09:39 PM
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Finally!!
Some sensible views from the Judges bench .....
This is something I have long been a supporter of ......
EVERYONE on the DNA database .... I would also add blood sample and fingerprints.
Start in the Pikey Parks, Council Estates and Gypsy Camps ..... that will solve 95% of all crime.
Then migrate into the more affluent areas to mop up the final 5%.
Anyone who objects would be guilty of a criminal offence and therefore need their DNA, Fingerprints, photo taken in any case
Lets fight back, lets get this country into the kind of place where your grannies and daughters can walk the street at night, where you can drive the car of your choice and park it where you wish, where the door on your house is locked simply to stop the wind blowing it open.
Some sensible views from the Judges bench .....
This is something I have long been a supporter of ......
EVERYONE on the DNA database .... I would also add blood sample and fingerprints.
Start in the Pikey Parks, Council Estates and Gypsy Camps ..... that will solve 95% of all crime.
Then migrate into the more affluent areas to mop up the final 5%.
Anyone who objects would be guilty of a criminal offence and therefore need their DNA, Fingerprints, photo taken in any case
Lets fight back, lets get this country into the kind of place where your grannies and daughters can walk the street at night, where you can drive the car of your choice and park it where you wish, where the door on your house is locked simply to stop the wind blowing it open.
05 September 2007, 09:39 PM
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So what your saying is **** technology?? unless we have 100% evidence that they raped this young 4 year old girl or beat up and killed this old guy [examples] they should go free despite the fact DNA proves otherwise??? if DNA was the only evidence why should it not be used????? please tell me ya not another do gooder??
Yes, virtually 100% evidence is required.
"Beyond reasonable doubt", in England.
DNA as the only evidence? Nonsense, and that is the risk.
Whilst I am Libertarian by nature, I am not a "Dogooder".
I would reintroduce the death penalty for some crimes.
I would also have much longer prison sentences for many crimes.
You are falling for the propaganda.
05 September 2007, 09:42 PM
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I dont have a problem with this idea at all.The way i see it is if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about.I think its a great idea along with the ID card thing
05 September 2007, 09:55 PM
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Their emissions, whichever version, are among the worst.
Or are you merely trying to taunt?
