Beastie

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All i know is that the PPP kit says that the exhaust is tested and meets the regulations for a Supercar exhaust, i therefore assume that Prodrive have plugged the loophole, especially with the supply of the RB320 with the same exhaust as standard and the previous problems they had in the post mentioned above.
However, it is clear that the police no longer use common sense and try to go for the letter of the law. That is why these regulations are dangerous for our personal freedoms.

vindaloo

I'll bring my own

suffolkdar

The police should be out there looking for the scum who steal cars and break into houses, the scum who ride motorcycles around town at 90mph and kill people crossing the road and the utter shi.te who rape children, When will the goverment learn? There are cars being stolen every minute, people being shot/stabbed ,kids being abused and idiots riding bikes and driving cars in a truely dangerous manner, And all the police are worried about is a loud exhaust!, Shocking stuff.

Untitled

I think REMUS do a system like this with a kind of flat plate in the back box which can be set like __ or / or l depending on how loud you want it to be. !

bob r

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Probably just another poxy road traffic law that cops will generally not be bothered to enforce like........seatbelts-tinted windows-front fogs-loud stereos etc
If the driver is an obvious nobber then I welcome cops giving out tickets. I imagine the sensible law abiding amongst us will be allowed to drive on by.

SideShowBob

It's not all the police are doing genius, they are also working on the murders and car thefts, as well as trying to remove a social nuisance that affects a lot of people.

Driving around making a huge racket is basically a lack of respect and consideration for anyone else , and why should people put up with it? If your choice to have a loud exhaust affects a number of other people then it's a problem.

Dan W

Big brother speaks. we jump. how depressingly typical.

AndyC_772

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OK, hands up who has EVER:

- written to their MP
- written to DfT
- written to the press (other than motoring press)
- joined a campaigning organisation (such as the ABD)

or, frankly, done ANYTHING to make their voice heard on motoring issues.

Whining about it on SN or other motoring enthusiasts' sites achieves nothing. Rolling over and accepting new restrictions without protest achieves nothing.

TBH it never ceases to amaze me that a community so passionate about their cars, so willing to spend endless hours looking after them and working to pay fo them, are so apathetic when it comes to protecting their right to drive them at all. If 10% of the effort spent researching the next new exhaust, dump valve or stuffed scooby-doo were spent campaigning for motorists' rights, we'd be in a much better place right now.

SideShowBob

But I dont see what the problem is? why would anyone want a massively loud exhaust? They're not a great idea in a country where we all live practically on top of eachother, and they annoy and disturb loads of people.

If someone disrupted you through their noise you'd have a problem with it, but because you decide you want to make loads of noise it's suddenly okay?

It must be a factor in car vandalism in some cases, deserved in my opinion, if you're prepared to disrupt people then that could be considered the cost for it.

and AndyC, if you are passionate about something that's great, not everyone is passionate about a loud exhaust, if your passion is negatively influening other people then something should be done about it.

AndyC_772

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Actually if you look around SN right now you'll see that I'm trying to locate a standard exhaust to replace the rather loud one on the car I've just bought.

Try buying a s/h Impreza without an aftermarket pipe, you'll find it quite difficult. But whatever my own personal view on the noise level, what I certainly DON'T agree with, is the idea that I become guilty of an offence because, in the opinion of a police officer, my exhaust is louder than standard. That's just plain wrong - and I have particular sympathy for people with PPP, or the standard HKS pipe on their Evos, because these actually have been tested according to the Construction & Use Regulations and do indeed comply with the letter of the law.

ps. I learned yesterday evening that there are kids dealing drugs to each other right outside my house. THAT is something requiring the time and attention of limited police resources, wouldn't you agree? How would you feel about being pulled for a loud exhaust, knowing that was going on?

Wurzel

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Can you bring me one aswell please

Lamb Madras, 2 Poppadoms and a nan bread, forget the rice it only takes up space

SideShowBob

Well if fewer people flouted the smaller laws and didnt dictate that the Police have to concern themselves with loud exhausts and the like, then it would free them up more as a result.

AndyC_772

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So, faced with the choice of tacking a serious crime or a trivial one, you're suggesting that a police officer's time is best spent on the trivial one?

Is it OK for kids to deal drugs outside my house provided they do it quietly?

SideShowBob

Lol, no, but it still doesnt mean the Police dont have to act on smaller issues.

AndyC_772

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Agreed. I just find it stifling to live in a country which is heading in the direction of having a law against anything which anybody could do that might possibly have a negative effect on anybody else, however trivial. What a sterile world that would be.

One of my other interests is photography - something which, it could be argued, is about as innocent and harmless a pastime as it's possible to have. Yet photographers around the world get accused of being terrorists, paedophiles or copyright thieves if they happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, or point a lens in the wrong direction.

Sometimes I wonder just how many hobbies and interests are left that aren't under threat from petty regulations

SideShowBob

It's true we live in a very cotton wool society, which I dont agree with at all, but what I do believe is that should someone choose to do something that has a negative or very disrupting effect on someone elses life (or many peoples in the case of lots of noise from a car) then there needs to be some sort of consequence.

Thing is, for a lot of people approaching the person who's car is at fault and asking them to change their exhaust or keep the noise down is not an option, given that in this day and age in the UK it seems that confronting people who are causing a disturbance can often mean getting into a seriously ugly altercation, so they suffer in quiet or report it to the police/counsel, which is why this law has probably been passed.

If you were being bothered by a loud exhaust yourself it'd probably annoy you no end, and you'd want something to be done about it, and although I agree about the drug dealers taking priority it's still not acceptable to have a very noisey exhaust.

bogie

Where and when was the guy prosecuted in Scotland for the PPP exhaust?

What scoob was it and how did the case come about?

AllenJ

As it's not acceptable to travel @ 70.5 MPH on a 70 MPH limit.

SideShowBob

Motorway speedlimit is 70MPH, and you tend to get a 10% leeway on that, so 70.5 would be perfectly acceptable.

The main point here is how are you adversely affecting other people who you have no right to affect. If you are doing 110MPH on a busy motorway it is stupid, as you could end up killing other road users by your selfish actions. If however there are no other people about then doing it does not affect anyone but you.

If loud exhausts were the same and didnt affect anyone but you then you'd have a point, but unfortuanately they affect a number of people who dont ask to be bothered by your noise, just like you wouldnt like someone standing outside your house with air raid siren annoying you at various times of the night and day just because their hobby is WW2 air raid horns.

What give anyone the right to have an exhaust loud enough to bother anyone else? Im not talking slightly loud/sporty, but the stupidly loud ones, like a lot of Scoobies, Nova's, Corsa's and Clio's have, there needs to be a limit and it needs to be enforced, and it also needs to be a sensible limit so you can enjoy your cars sound without everyone else having to hear it.

fivetide

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slight OT
You tend to but technically anything over the limit is breakign the law. Speeding is an absolute so 70.5 should see you get a fine and points but in reality they can't measure that closely and don't worry about it.

and back with your regular programming

5t.

Dan W

I accept that loud exhausts can be annoying for some. But a passing car that's loud pales into insignificance compared to some noise pollution. Take barking dogs for instance. not as loud perhaps but hugely annoying. where i live there are load and the owners leave them outside for hours on end brking incessantly.

do you think the police are interested in this type of nuisance?

My earlier point was that whatever big brother decides to do whether it is morally right or wrong it simply goes ahead with.

we are governed by halfwits

172sport

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Just scanned all this but didnt see a mention of any dB limit?

vindaloo

The Standard dB numbers are on your V5.

There is no limit per-se. Just the usual easy going Britishness which allows jumped up little Hitlers to make some peoples' lives a misery.

IMO you can't accurately record a noise level unless you record it in exactly the same way in exactly the same place, and repeat the experiment a number of times.

How many times will the Police transport you and your car to TRL to test it? - None! They'll just give you a ticket or an S59 and a warning.

J.

Beastie

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https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...l-exhaust.html

bogie

Thing is, most exhausts actually get louder with age, what happens then?

simscooby

I'm also in two minds about it. One part of me wants to get irate and blame the gofernment for going all "police state" on us but then I can imagine noisey exhaust are very annouying in built up areas/housing estates.

Think it boils down to the minority taking the **** and spoiling it for the rest of us.

evil.soup

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PS Lewis with a modification to his car..................it cant be can it???!!!!

The rookie

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The construction and use regs are clear, when you replce the exhaust it must be with either the OE spec part or a pattern (as sold at Kwik-fit et al) part, anything else is illegal.

However I think the key to that is not getting checked in the first place, so driving sensibly and not waking up the next street at 4am are good ways of keeping your nose clean!

Simon

scubasteve

this countrys government want us all driving green cars but what will happen to all the tax losses they make on fuels. its all going **** up

MikeWood

Just to clear up a point made earlier, the standards that appy to exhausts are that you either homolgate the vehicle (as current PPPs) by doing an EUWVTA test on the car or you get the replacement parts E marked as every other replacement exhaust manufacturer should to show that the part they are supplying complies to the standards.

All our silencers are either E marked or the cars have passed the same test as every other new car sold in Europe.

Mike