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Old 22 February 2008, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Snazy
Jay. He gained almost at the same rate I lost. But he has carried on gaining now.
Just been out for a mad half hour with him. Seems to love jumping in the pond at almost 11pm! Doh
my springer loves jumping in water, have to have the bathroom door closed otherwise I will open my eyes and the dog is stood looking at me.

She scared my mrs the other day by licking her nipple
Old 22 February 2008, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by jaytc2003
my springer loves jumping in water, have to have the bathroom door closed otherwise I will open my eyes and the dog is stood looking at me.

She scared my mrs the other day by licking her nipple

lol not sure if thats a little too much info, but thanks for sharing
Tuvaaq is yet to see his first vast expanse of water, but hoping that will be some time soon
Im the meantime, im trying to keep him away from the pond....I dont think the fish like it
He will have to stick to running about like a nutter.
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hi mate he's gonna be a he
he will be 8 weeks when we collect on 23rd
getting from mark and sharon at Huskamutes At Engbull Index
will get my nipper to post up some pics when we got him
i'm to dumb to work out how to do them
will also post other pics as we have pics from 4 weeks onwards
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Aaah is he gonna be a Malamute or Huskamute? Gussing Huska from the site
Im sure you have already done all the checks etc, but worth making sure everything is tip top, dame and sire good temprements and ages etc. Hip scoring, eye scoring and so on.

Good luck with the dog mate, and remember to become Alpha from day 1

I see they also have a malamute site at About Us

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yeah he is a huska
done more checks than a person with aids has had
i know i'm in for a lot of work,and yeah had newfie's before
luckly work in old 250 acre sand pit so he will have all the room he needs
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Originally Posted by Snazy



Being different breeds thats hardly suprising now is it
well yeah ... I would have thought dogs that grow to about the same size would grow at around the same rate..

Maybe its just your pic's
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Originally Posted by pimmo2000
well yeah ... I would have thought dogs that grow to about the same size would grow at around the same rate..

Maybe its just your pic's
Aaah, well then you would be wrong
Totally different breed.
Mals grow to 45-60kg, And body dimensions to match.
Tuvaaq's father is something in the region of 50kg+ so he has scope to match or supass that weight.
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Call me if you need a babysitter. I pay £6 an hour for something so gorgeous! D
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Call me if you need a babysitter. I pay £6 an hour for something so gorgeous! D
Consider yourself hired
on a good day, he is a pleasure to have about. On a bad day he is a royal pain in the ****.
The talking can wear thin at 2am
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Originally Posted by b road blaster
hi mate he's gonna be a he
he will be 8 weeks when we collect on 23rd
getting from mark and sharon at Huskamutes At Engbull Index
will get my nipper to post up some pics when we got him
i'm to dumb to work out how to do them
will also post other pics as we have pics from 4 weeks onwards
It's this type of breeding that makes me suspicious. Seriously, how can anybody take 2 breeds and put them together because somebody has asked for one of the breeds but with blue eyes from the other breed, and think they are doing the right thing!!

A quote from the site; "Dief is 29 inches to his withers and when i was looking at a book the malamute is only meant to be 27-28 inches to the withers and he's still got 13 months of growing."

No **** Sherlock!!

Breed standards are breed standards and cross breeding for cosmetic/designer reasons aren't the best.

I'd suggest you think carefully as this crossbreed won't come with any health history and effectively you'll become a beta tester for potentially the Adams family dog of the dog world.

It says they will be keeping records but how far do the existing records go back?
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Originally Posted by Spoon
It's this type of breeding that makes me suspicious. Seriously, how can anybody take 2 breeds and put them together because somebody has asked for one of the breeds but with blue eyes from the other breed, and think they are doing the right thing!!

A quote from the site; "Dief is 29 inches to his withers and when i was looking at a book the malamute is only meant to be 27-28 inches to the withers and he's still got 13 months of growing."

No **** Sherlock!!

Breed standards are breed standards and cross breeding for cosmetic/designer reasons aren't the best.

I'd suggest you think carefully as this crossbreed won't come with any health history and effectively you'll become a beta tester for potentially the Adams family dog of the dog world.

It says they will be keeping records but how far do the existing records go back?
Got to admit, I just got another message from someone about this type of breeding, and I am somewhat concerned to say the least.

Dude, I can only hope all works out for you with this hybrid. They can be awesome, but if ethics mean anything, im not impressed by them.
Like I say, when you hand over that wad of hard earned cash, make sure you see hip and eye scores for BOTH parents. DOB for both, the pup in perfect condition, happy playing about etc. And most of all make sure you are there for a while to allow a little bond to start, to see the lil fella in action and good health for a while.
We were at Tuvaurat for about 3-4 hours before finally leaving. Maybe a little excessive, but like to know there is nothing wrong.
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What sort of size should a female GSD grow to ?? and when do they normally reach full size ??

I expected Tara to be bigger.. I mean shes only 7 months and shes not small but just out of interest ??
Old 22 February 2008, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by pimmo2000
What sort of size should a female GSD grow to ?? and when do they normally reach full size ??

I expected Tara to be bigger.. I mean shes only 7 months and shes not small but just out of interest ??
Ooooh Pimmo, and I thought you had done your homework on the breed

just kiddin

Ballpark figures range from...

Height 57 - 62 cm
Weight 34 - 43 kg

to

Weight: 75-110 pounds (32-50kg)
Height: 24-26 inches (60-65cm)
Old 22 February 2008, 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by b road blaster
yeah he is a huska
done more checks than a person with aids has had
i know i'm in for a lot of work,and yeah had newfie's before
luckly work in old 250 acre sand pit so he will have all the room he needs
NOOOOOO, PLease, please, please, take some advice from someone who knows. I don't want to make you feel silly, but you cannot have done your homework. These breeders do NOT health test their dogs, NEVER HAVE and apart from that the BRS i receive every quarter tells me that they are the biggest producers of Malamutes in the Country, who had about 200 pups last year.

They are not ethical breeders and you would be best to keep your money and find another breeder. Please dont fund them. I'm not a breeder so it makes very little difference to me either way, but I personally know of many pups from this kennels that have been seriously ill, some have had to be PTS and it's just not worth it. There is a Malamute forum, ask for advice before proceeding, I am deadly serious about this.

Why would you want a Huskamute anyway. No records have been kept and the KC have already replied several times to many people enquiring that because they are too close to both breeds and serve no purpose and have not been created responsibly (by health testing all stock) they will NEVER be recognised, they are just a designer dog to make money.

Please if you listed to nothing I say, just listed to this bit ; Don't fund a puppy farmer, you WILL regret it !
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Straight and to the point if nothing else

Hope the forum gets looked at before heading off to pick the pup up tomorrow. If not, I hope all works out for the best as I say.

Was not impressed by the line on the website that says WHY they started breeding them. I might ask if they can get me a 5 legged Akita... Might be worth starting to breed them eh. Stable when cocking leg etc.....

Serious though, the site paints a bleak picture for people who are apparently serious about the 2 breeds. But so little info on their showing. In fact NO info on their showing. Even the smallest breeders of Mals show.
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Having no knowledge of these people it does appear my thoughts are backed up by somebody who has.

Your turn, Pimmo.
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Originally Posted by Snazy
Straight and to the point if nothing else

Hope the forum gets looked at before heading off to pick the pup up tomorrow. If not, I hope all works out for the best as I say.

Was not impressed by the line on the website that says WHY they started breeding them. I might ask if they can get me a 5 legged Akita... Might be worth starting to breed them eh. Stable when cocking leg etc.....

Serious though, the site paints a bleak picture for people who are apparently serious about the 2 breeds. But so little info on their showing. In fact NO info on their showing. Even the smallest breeders of Mals show.
Well said, spot on

Well I dont know about a 5 legged akita but they do cross malamutes with akitas too (Akitamute), as advertised on ad-trader and funnily there is an ex breeding Akitamute in their local rescue centre, many tears (but it only has 4 legs !). Nice to know that the old ex breeding dogs are well cared for eh ??
Nice to see at that rescue they have a Huskamute too, that has never been on a lead, never been socialised with humans and never been walked ! So much for all their dogs being socialised and friendly !

As for showing, they dont show and so could not guarantee their dogs conformation etc. even though they advertise show dogs

To the person buying one of their pups, a question for you ;

If you want a decent car, you would buy a car that had all its paperwork and everything was spot on !

You wouldnt go to a dodgy dealer and buy a cut 'n' shut would you ?

What makes you think these breeders are any different ?

The reason so many huskamutes go into rescues is because their owners believe what theyve been told in that huskamutes are better to train, better off lead, easier to handle, smaller than Malamutes etc etc When in fact NOBODY knows what's going to come out becayse they are bred unscrupulously, and have no breed standard, so nothing is set in stone how they will be and too many people get the opposite and end up with the worst traits of BOTH breeds, so dont believe all the flashiness you hear !
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Originally Posted by Spoon
Having no knowledge of these people it does appear my thoughts are backed up by somebody who has.

Your turn, Pimmo.
The more digging I do........ oh dear, im not even gonna carry on. Rather upsetting I have to say.
The attitude says "farm", the website says "farm" and the research says..... "farm"
Also... Artic Wolves, not to be confused with the recognised breeder Artic Wolf
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Originally Posted by Snazy
The more digging I do........ oh dear, im not even gonna carry on. Rather upsetting I have to say.
The attitude says "farm", the website says "farm" and the research says..... "farm"
Also... Artic Wolves, not to be confused with the recognised breeder Artic Wolf
Absolutely. Their actual breeders affix is Engbull, but when they realised people were calling the kennel club to make complaints they started using a name that the kennel club would recommend ie, Articwolves, which sounds the same as Articwolfs kennels

Just had another look at their site too, and noticed they are apparently starting their own 'working' club to work the dogs in harness As their dogs are not socialised, never had a collar or lead on, never exercised and never been trained in even basic obedience, how on earth to they expect to work their dogs in harness, which is a strict discipline ??
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Originally Posted by Zooms
Well said, spot on

Well I dont know about a 5 legged akita but they do cross malamutes with akitas too (Akitamute), as advertised on ad-trader and funnily there is an ex breeding Akitamute in their local rescue centre, many tears (but it only has 4 legs !). Nice to know that the old ex breeding dogs are well cared for eh ??
Nice to see at that rescue they have a Huskamute too, that has never been on a lead, never been socialised with humans and never been walked ! So much for all their dogs being socialised and friendly !

As for showing, they dont show and so could not guarantee their dogs conformation etc. even though they advertise show dogs

To the person buying one of their pups, a question for you ;

If you want a decent car, you would buy a car that had all its paperwork and everything was spot on !

You wouldnt go to a dodgy dealer and buy a cut 'n' shut would you ?

What makes you think these breeders are any different ?

The reason so many huskamutes go into rescues is because their owners believe what theyve been told in that huskamutes are better to train, better off lead, easier to handle, smaller than Malamutes etc etc When in fact NOBODY knows what's going to come out becayse they are bred unscrupulously, and have no breed standard, so nothing is set in stone how they will be and too many people get the opposite and end up with the worst traits of BOTH breeds, so dont believe all the flashiness you hear !
The comparison to buying a car is actually a very good one, never thought of it that way, but come to think of it thats how we treated the purchase of Tuvaaq.

Cant imagine for one second a Huskamute would be easier to train. Would think harder if anything, but like you say its all up in the air with a cross like that.
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Originally Posted by Zooms
Absolutely. Their actual breeders affix is Engbull, but when they realised people were calling the kennel club to make complaints they started using a name that the kennel club would recommend ie, Articwolves, which sounds the same as Articwolfs kennels

Just had another look at their site too, and noticed they are apparently starting their own 'working' club to work the dogs in harness As their dogs are not socialised, never had a collar or lead on, never exercised and never been trained in even basic obedience, how on earth to they expect to work their dogs in harness, which is a strict discipline ??
Sounds like a proper mess to me
Dont know them first hand, so hard to comment accurately, but from what im reading, its not right.
Only hope either we are all wrong, or the purchase does not go ahead.
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Originally Posted by Snazy
Sounds like a proper mess to me
Dont know them first hand, so hard to comment accurately, but from what im reading, its not right.
Only hope either we are all wrong, or the purchase does not go ahead.
I do have first hand experience and am not wrong

I hope for their sakes, the purchase doesnt go ahead !
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Originally Posted by Spoon
Having no knowledge of these people it does appear my thoughts are backed up by somebody who has.

Your turn, Pimmo.
I can honestly say I have no idea what your on about ...

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Originally Posted by Snazy
Ooooh Pimmo, and I thought you had done your homework on the breed

just kiddin

Ballpark figures range from...

Height 57 - 62 cm
Weight 34 - 43 kg

to

Weight: 75-110 pounds (32-50kg)
Height: 24-26 inches (60-65cm)
You see stats online are crap

All the dogs we've had have been just that ... Dogs

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Originally Posted by pimmo2000
You see stats online are crap

All the dogs we've had have been just that ... Dogs


lol stats online are compiled with some knowledge, but with dogs/bitches its hard to tell.
Mals can range from 70lbs -140lbs but there are some averages in the middle somewhere

But in general as originally stated, Mals "tend" to be a slightly bigger breed than GSD's hence Tuvaaq being so much bigger. Also the fact he is a dog and yours is a bitch
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Originally Posted by Spoon
It's this type of breeding that makes me suspicious. Seriously, how can anybody take 2 breeds and put them together because somebody has asked for one of the breeds but with blue eyes from the other breed, and think they are doing the right thing!!

A quote from the site; "Dief is 29 inches to his withers and when i was looking at a book the malamute is only meant to be 27-28 inches to the withers and he's still got 13 months of growing."

No **** Sherlock!!

Breed standards are breed standards and cross breeding for cosmetic/designer reasons aren't the best.

I'd suggest you think carefully as this crossbreed won't come with any health history and effectively you'll become a beta tester for potentially the Adams family dog of the dog world.

It says they will be keeping records but how far do the existing records go back?

Just popped over from another forum for a read great post
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Originally Posted by Zooms
Absolutely. Their actual breeders affix is Engbull, but when they realised people were calling the kennel club to make complaints they started using a name that the kennel club would recommend ie, Articwolves, which sounds the same as Articwolfs kennels

Just had another look at their site too, and noticed they are apparently starting their own 'working' club to work the dogs in harness As their dogs are not socialised, never had a collar or lead on, never exercised and never been trained in even basic obedience, how on earth to they expect to work their dogs in harness, which is a strict discipline ??
we have had dealings with the them, gawd that woman is horrible her fella must wear ear plugs all the time. She is rude money grabbing and ful of bull****, she sells like a dodgy second hand car dealer. I can say I wouldnt buy a flea from there. They are bullies always throwing their weight about, nah keep well away take my word for it, hes better than her but she really is go somewhere tidy and save your doh.
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Any news on the possible new arrival ?
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Oh back on topic too....

Tuvaaq still gobbing off lol
YouTube - Tuvaaq 7 months, still talking
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Originally Posted by Snazy
Any news on the possible new arrival ?
i was wondering to but no answer



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