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Old 20 October 2007, 08:48 PM
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Andy,

Glad your OK.

Intersted to hear if PLod tells his Company & what happens to him??

Don't want anything to happen to you cos(being selfish), getting a couple of things done to my Scoob and, want you to do your art stuff.

It should be all done by Dec/Jan.

Hope your and your Missus are well Andy.

KInd regards.


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Old 20 October 2007, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeCardiff
#82 - a 'real man' as you put it would do exactly what you did and walk away. Someone who is still emotionally stuck in the playground at school ( where 'being hard' is important ) would have hit him.

Its very easy after the event for other people to say what they would have done in the situation ( me personally, I would have had my foot flat on the floor and be putting as much distance between him and me as possible ! ) especially those who think they are a bit hard or have done some martial arts training.

The bloke was a nutter, do you really want to get out of the car and get battered, at which point there isnt anyone there to protect your Mrs ? How do you think your Mrs would feel if she was spending today visiting you in intensive care, or even worse, trying to make funeral plans ?

You arent a wimp, or less of a man ( unless your role model for being male is a Hollywood action hero ) for not sinking to some immature thugs level.

You say that, but you cant spend your life running from things.. And who's to say he was nuts, he might be a ***** with a big mouth?

Its all preception.. I squared up to 4 lads in a service station recently, one of them wasnt looking where he was going and he walked straight into me and fell flat on his ****; I kept walking but he got up and shouted "Oi you c**t".. So I turned round and walked back to them, they promptly pissed off!.. They could have ripped me to sh*t! but they were scared? why because i showed zero fear and they thought I was nuts!

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Old 20 October 2007, 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeCardiff
OP, you did exactly the right thing - lock yourself in the car and call the police - very few people ( unless they are a complete nutter ) will actually smash their way into a car to get you, and if that looks likely to happen, you can just floor it and drive off. If the bloke follows you, drive to the nearest police station and park right outside the doors with your horn held down.

Personally I think the guy was just gutted because he was driving a french car, and realised how inadequate that made him compared to us Impreza owners ;0)

But - all the have a go heros on here saying they would have jumped out and battered the bloke -

1) Great, except if the guy is a nutter you are likely to get stabbed or worse - and I've yet to see any martial arts expert or just someone who fancies themselves as a bit tasty who is harder than a bullet.

2) The guy could also be a martial arts expert, only a bit better than you, in which case you'll get battered anyway.

3) If you do jump out and batter the bloke, with your maglite, crook lock or whatever, you are likely to end up in prison as the law seems to be there now to protect ******* who are in the wrong, not people who stand up for themselves. And you can bet the other bloke will get his solicitors to say he was completely innocent and now has brain damage and try and go for the full compensation.

A friend of mine got 6 months inside a few years back for hitting a bloke once - they were having an argument over the blokes dog who tried to attack my mates dog, and the bloke started pushing and shoving and mouthing off, so my mate ( who has a bit of a short fuse ) hit him - unfortunately for him, he knocked him out cold, and because it came up in court that he had done some boxing in his past and the other bloke blew it up out of all proportion ( probably embaressed at being knocked out by someone half his size and age ), the judge sent him down. Royally fuxxed his employment prospects for the rest of his life due to a moment of madness when he should have just walked away.
Absolutely absurd that someone could even be indicted for hitting someone once. What is this world coming to?
Old 20 October 2007, 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Will Hendrix
Absolutely absurd that someone could even be indicted for hitting someone once. What is this world coming to?
He'd clearly have some previous for that to happen.
Old 20 October 2007, 09:52 PM
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chocolate o brian - Don't beat yourself up over it! I am of no size or mentality to take anybody on and have been in situations of aggro in the past. Although it does play with the 'macho' or manly ego, ffs dont grate on it. I have spent days winding myself up because i wimped out of a verbal fight, or possible a fist fight, but where does it end? These days you get your head stamped on or now just knifed for the privilege. Ask yourself this, how best can you serve your family? Alive and fit to live another day, or 'brave' and fight to get stabbed to f**k, or at the worst killed by some saddo?
It takes more of a man sometimes to walk away.
Dont you worry, if it ever came down to it is a proper 'serious' manner, you would fight to protect your family, so dont think you are a wimp at all.
I have to live being '9 stone wet through' and sometimes that hurts, but i aint the one with f' all job and money doing nothing but dossing for a living!
Let it go chocolate, nothing came of it, you both walked away from it, thats good enough for anyone! There are too many psycho's in this world and we all know it.
Old 20 October 2007, 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by chocolate_o_brian
thanks for the comments everyone, but what mikkel has said is really lingering on me now. i feel i took the easy option, and if i was a "real" man i would have smacked him
You would in all probability be on a hiding to nothing attempting to confront anyone from a seated position as would anyone. They have already got the upper hand on you by being stood up.

So they beat seven shades out of you, then in a blind rage do the same to your wife. Who's the idiot - the bloke who locks the doors protecting himself and passenger or the have a go halfwit who never stood a chance from the outset???

Forget the maglite, wheelbrace or whatever as a weapon. The best weapon you have are your instincts - seems to me they worked just fine.
Old 20 October 2007, 10:37 PM
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again, thank you to everyone for their insight.

from all the advice/comments, i do generally think in the situation (as each is induvidual and taken on the merits of only thoses involved), i did the right thing. i think having looked back, that if my mrs hadnt have been in the car, i may, (maybe not) have acted differently. but were a young couple, me 23 her 21, and this guy was easily late 20's and built a lot bigger than me as mentioned earlier.

but i think after seeing this in another light, i am going to get something to protect myself with. maybe one of the torchs, as i havent got one, and im forever messing with the engine bay in darkness (generally handy too as a justification). from thinking and knowing that if the situation arises again, having something as a last resort (ie "protection") may give me that bit of self confidence that expresses the aura for the other party to leave me the **** alone basically. bit like the self defence thing gives self confidence and discipline... and if ever necessary (god forbid) its there if im in a life threating situation.

your all right regards my mrs. if she was in danger, and i mean genuine danger, i would take on anyone to protect her, fiercly, and i genuinely mean that. as i havent got children, she is the main thing in my life that is never replaceable, and i would kill myself to protect her.

again thanks for the comments, bit more easy about it now. i made my decision about staying put and calling the bobbies, and at worst my pride has been hurt. hopefully this dick orf a person will get his just deserts one day in the form of an **** kicking, or some other **** crashing into him

a very humble andy
Old 20 October 2007, 11:20 PM
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you soppy ****** good call mate
Old 21 October 2007, 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by [Davey]
He'd clearly have some previous for that to happen.
Well that wouldn't even make a ton of sense then, clearly if a person was only hit once, the attacker had a good deal of self control, I've always thought assault was only for if the person was actually hurt. However, it seems like the guy who told the story implied that he didn't have a previous record.
Old 21 October 2007, 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by tarmac terror
You would in all probability be on a hiding to nothing attempting to confront anyone from a seated position as would anyone. They have already got the upper hand on you by being stood up.

So they beat seven shades out of you, then in a blind rage do the same to your wife. Who's the idiot - the bloke who locks the doors protecting himself and passenger or the have a go halfwit who never stood a chance from the outset???

Forget the maglite, wheelbrace or whatever as a weapon. The best weapon you have are your instincts - seems to me they worked just fine.
Totally agree. I have too much to lose to get involved in an assault charge (on either side of it). Shame there wasn't a police unit nearby enough to catch the loon red-handed.
Old 21 October 2007, 07:44 AM
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I saw it happen to a couple in front of me once, I was waiting to pull out of a T junction onto a main road, and this couple were turning right toward me.

I don't know what the altercation was about, but the car in front of them, that was traveling along the main road was obviously p*ssed about something,

he was out of his car gesticulating and swearing, trying to get the driver to get out for a fight. His mrs look terrified, and was on the phone, i was so tempted to just drive across the road and trap the ***** between the front wing, of the couples car and mine however i didn't , the repercussions didnt bear thinking about. eventually he spat all over the windows and stormed off and drove away.....

what is it with some people?


Mart
Old 21 October 2007, 09:10 AM
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#92 - I do agree with your point that you cant live your life being scared of everything out there, but you need to weigh up situations on there individual merit. If you are going to get out of the car when someone is looking for a fight, you need to be prepared to back up your actions. If you front up to someone it could well work and they will back down, but then they could be a proper nutter and kill you - a bit too much of a gamble in my book.

My post was for the OP that he shouldnt consider himself less of a man because he didnt get out and possibly make the situation worse. Its very easy to beat yourself up after the fact over what you could or should have done, but its over, so forget about it and dont worry.

It does make you wonder about some drivers though ! I was nearly hit by a myopic fool in a Volvo a while ago - decided he was in the wrong lane at the last minute and swerved into mine without indicating or looking - even standing on the brakes he only missed the front of my car by an inch.

But - I just said '******' to myself and carried on driving - I didnt feel the need to follow him for a mile, jump out with a wheel brace and start smashing his car up.

I reckon in 99% of cases, if the person in the wrong just gives a wave or raises a hand to apologise, the situation calms down. We all occasionally make mistakes while driving, but owning up to being a plonker will normally be enough.
Old 21 October 2007, 09:14 AM
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Davey, forgot to post - my mate didnt have any previous for fighting, but because he used to box at a high amateur level, and the other blokes solicitors laid it on really thick with a load of BS about how he was scared to go out of the house now etc..., the court came down hard on him and sent him to prison to 'teach him a lesson'

Ridiculous, but its the same law that gives a gang of blokes out on a saturday night a £100 fine for battering some poor sod outside a nightclub, or someone just a few years for killing someone while drunk driving !
Old 21 October 2007, 09:23 AM
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ive got a baseball bat AND Bal in the car,used that a few times.

road rage is rife round here,lost count the times ive squared upto people and had a good verbal,most of it doesnt get to fistys,alot of in the face yaking and with the bat in hand the bigger guys dont throw punchies.

a good knack is to know when to leave !!!
Old 21 October 2007, 10:35 AM
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been in martial arts 18 years 5th degree ( godan) dont really mean **** on the streets. been faced with knives and guns ( twice) good trick if they cant see they cant fight hollow an egg fill it with flour and pepper// has good range/ break in hand and lob in face/ then either/ a run /b kick the living out of em/ dont forget a blob of wax over open end. and we are all different fight or flight as said is completely natural, and there to save your life mate, and it may have, no matter what others think your fiancee is safe and thats what counts, martial arts cant change fight or flight only teach u how to deal with it / overide it and this takes time and the willingness to get involved in hairy situations only climbing teaches u to climb only fighting teaches u to fight. breathe easy he lives miles away am involved in these a lot as i am on the road 10 hours a day also used to do a cab circuit in a very volatile area had passengers pull a bottle, and two women try to strangle me from the back seat at 40 mph coz i asked them not to smoke. lol
Old 21 October 2007, 11:11 AM
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At the end of the day this is in sunny Scunny....
Not some crime ridden inner city area where this is normal behaviour.

CoB he's not a local, he didn't follow you home and your life is intact, just some temporary damage to your pride, that will heal with time.

Dunx

P.S. If I had to drive a Laguna as a company car I'd be p155ed too.... Need a can of anti-freeze now it's frosty out
Old 21 October 2007, 12:16 PM
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COB, I think you did the right thing in the circumstances.

Him going ballistic merely because of a frown and some eye contact. He obviously had issues at the time. Not escalating the situation was definitely the right thing to do. If the guy's a complete tool, he'll eventually get the book thrown at him or choose the wrong person to confront.

Toe-to-toe in the street or in the Chinese is one thing, trying to get out of your car whilst being battered with your own door (and maglite and crooklock) is another. Once you'd decided to stay in the car, staying in the car (or driving off) was the right thing to do.

Don't cut yourself up about it. No damage was done to people or possessions. For all of this guy's rage, he huffed and puffed and eventually wandered off, hopefully feeling a tit for behaving like one. It's not like you expect a rematch. You are not long term enemies or have anything to repeatedly fight over.

J.
Old 21 October 2007, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by vindaloo
COB, I think you did the right thing in the circumstances.

Him going ballistic merely because of a frown and some eye contact. He obviously had issues at the time. Not escalating the situation was definitely the right thing to do. If the guy's a complete tool, he'll eventually get the book thrown at him or choose the wrong person to confront.

Toe-to-toe in the street or in the Chinese is one thing, trying to get out of your car whilst being battered with your own door (and maglite and crooklock) is another. Once you'd decided to stay in the car, staying in the car (or driving off) was the right thing to do.

Don't cut yourself up about it. No damage was done to people or possessions. For all of this guy's rage, he huffed and puffed and eventually wandered off, hopefully feeling a tit for behaving like one. It's not like you expect a rematch. You are not long term enemies or have anything to repeatedly fight over.

J.
hopefully i wont see the **** again.
Old 22 October 2007, 02:56 AM
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Those of you who may have heard of the gangster Kenneth Noye will know that he stabbed and killed a male on the M25 after a road rage incident. The bottom line is you dont know who you're dealing with.

If someone does something stupid, try, as hard as it is, to just ignore it and dont react. Yeah it p"""es you off but after 5 or 10 mins its forgotten about....

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Old 22 October 2007, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Geoteds2002
Those of you who may have heard of the gangster Jimmy Noye will know that he stabbed and killed a male on the M25 after a road rage incident. The bottom line is you dont know who you're dealing with.

If someone does something stupid, try, as hard as it is, to just ignore it and dont react. Yeah it p"""es you off but after 5 or 10 mins its forgotten about....
Completely agree - best to just walk away from anything and you did exactly the right thing CB.
Old 22 October 2007, 08:38 AM
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You did the right thing, walking away is always best.

Did write a big story, but deleted it as person involved got sent down and i think he probably held a grudge

Needles to say he was a nutter and tooled up!
Old 22 October 2007, 10:26 AM
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Sure i read a year or so ago an ex-boxer had been put up for assault after finding a scally robbing his car. He pulled the kid out, hit him once and then sat on him until the Police arrived who then charged him with it.

He was cleared after arguing he'd used "reasonable force" to protect himself and his property and cited the fact he'd only hit him once as evidence that it was reasonable. If you could leather someone all over i reckon only clocking them the once shows amazing restraint.

I've never had anything beyond shouting but a month ago some gimp in a beemer tried to take my mate off his bike. After a few window rows my mate just punched his wing mirror off and went peacefully on his way! Bruised his hand like but beemer stopped following him.

5t.
Old 22 October 2007, 10:41 AM
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Shows me how the police / CPS have changed their stance.

Way back in 1993, two retards who lived in my village came after me and my mate when I was driving my red escort 1.1 pop round and about late one night...
They overtook me on a country lane, handbrake turn in front of me and jumped out. One of them then tried to get into the car to attack us (they were older bigger lads) but as the door was locked he started booting the car in... My front drivers door was a dented mess.
No witnesses, apart from the four particpants in the incident but after I went to the police the following morning and giving a statement, both wazzocks were arrested and the "kicker" taken to the magistrates court, bound over to keep the peace for 12 months, fine and costs...
These days you're lucky to get a crime reference number
Old 22 October 2007, 11:00 AM
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You could have saved yourself a lot of time, effort and remained stress free if you had done one simple thing.....


......whipped your **** ring out for the imbecile. He would have run away like a 12 year old girl covering his ****, thinking you were a 'rampant marmite miner'






DJ Vinyl Ritchie..........If a ring or bolt or whatever the f00k it is, is called a Prince Albert...... What the f00k is Prince Charles? A f00kin' ****, that's what I say
Old 22 October 2007, 11:16 AM
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Choc You did the right thing mate, forget it move on!!

Easier said than done I know, but I recommend getting in the car and go for a ride and smile as you drive down the road, just like in the VW (sorry) advert!!
Old 22 October 2007, 01:45 PM
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Hi COB,

I'm sure you've played the whole event over and over again in your head. So in hindsight, do you think you may have inadvertantly provoked him? Perhaps a misinterpreted hand gesture? Rolled your eyes? Stared and frowned?

Nevertheless his response and actions were blatantly ott and you handled things well.

Forget it mate and move on

<Russ>
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Originally Posted by DJ Vinyl Ritchie
You could have saved yourself a lot of time, effort and remained stress free if you had done one simple thing.....


......whipped your **** ring out for the imbecile. He would have run away like a 12 year old girl covering his ****, thinking you were a 'rampant marmite miner'






DJ Vinyl Ritchie..........If a ring or bolt or whatever the f00k it is, is called a Prince Albert...... What the f00k is Prince Charles? A f00kin' ****, that's what I say
judging by the shirt he had on, i think he may have enjoyed me whipping the metal fella out

as alwaya dj, a deep and ensightful interpretation of the situation.
Old 23 October 2007, 11:40 AM
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Maybe the authorities are starting to see sense at last...

BBC NEWS | Politics | 'Self-defence' law to be reviewed

(For the record, I think you behaved entirely appropriately for the situation you found yourself in..)
Old 24 October 2007, 06:59 PM
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Back in 1982 I had to work in Birmingham City Centre and hated the drive,anyway I had on old Marina coupe and I was a bugger for spotting newish looking cars and pulling out knowing that they would stop rather than hit my old banger(Arrogant,stupid twerp,I know ).Anyway this day I picked a capri and did my thing and pulled out ,he jamms on the anchors and I'm on my way down Broad St(a main road into city) Now down this road near the registery office there was a one way road(where they built the James Brindley pub)which had cheap allday dirt carparks where I always parked.So I turn right and start down this road,guess what this Capri suddenly shoots past me and handbrake turns in front of me and blocks the road (in rush hour)
Now this is how stupid I was ,He jumps out of his car and I wind my window down to see what the problem is(I told you I was stupid )
He walks up to the window and punches me in the face ,Now I completely lose the plot and decide to lay hold of him so I try to push my door open to get at him ,he decides to leg it back to his car with me in pursuit he jumps in his car and locks his door and starts laughing.
I now turn into Basil Fawlty and start kicking his car cause he won't get out,now believe it or not he sat there for a minute or two with me(complete idiot )still booting his car before he decided to drive off.He screeches off finally leaving me in the middle of the road ,loads of horns blasting and people shouting.I go to walk back to my car ......
And fall over because I've broken three toes....
I've got a cracked cheekbone and a corking black eye
I had to have my car moved by a bloke who'd been digging a hole ,
I was swore at by everyone who'd got stuck in the queue,
And did damage to someone's car, much to my everlasting shame
although the workman said it was the funniest thing he'd ever seen.

So the up shot is I'm sorry to the bloke who's Capri I dented,
I was a 17 yr old moron.
and I deserved that punch.
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