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Article 6.5.5 of the Formula One technical regulations states: "No fuel on board the car may be more than ten degrees centigrade below ambient temperature."

FIA technical delegate Jo Bauer said all fuel samples from the four cars showed temperature of 12 to 14 degrees centigrate lower than the ambient temperature at the time.

However, after deliberations at Interlagos, the race stewards decided not to penalise the teams, confirming the race results of the Brazilian Grand Prix as official.

What a crock

This being the FIA who many years ago disqualified schumacher post race for having a stupid plank under the car excessively worn... (random example that comes to mind...plenty of others)

CrisPDuk

You are all forgetting FIA Golden Rule #1.0: Do NOT upset Ferrari

This rule is absolute, and takes precedence over all other rules and technical regulations



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Phil

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bonerp

don't think Kimi should be stripped of the championship whatever the result. That would be very harsh and not sure Ham would want to win in that way either.
Just a heavy fine and points deduction for contructors on the cars with the lower temps.
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messiah

lol - no further comment necessary...

Luminous

iTrader: (3)

Not entirely true, as he had a blow out during one race that stuffed him. The gearbox also stuff up his race. Hard to say what the championship would have looked like had all drivers had totally reliable cars

Oh, and McLaren have launched an appeal

SiPie

Time for McLaren and Hamilton to move on and forget about it

Sonic'

Is it just me, or does anyone else think it a bit odd that Lewis got a box full of neutrals around lap 8, dropped way back, then after some communication from the pits, they asked him to twiddle a few ***** and hey presto a car that was absolutley flawless as he managed to gain a multitude of places, resulting in him getting from 18th to 7th on a car with a faulty gearbox?

Alonso's mechanics at play again

Seriously though, I used to think F1 had got bad a few years ago, now it is an utter disgrace and farce the way things have gone on this year

Scoob99

iTrader: (1)

hang on a minute it wasn't long ago that Ferrari went crying to the FIA about Mclaren using ferrari technology on their car, Mclaren were found guilty lost all constuctors points and find $100 million dollars, So in my eyes if BMW&Sauber were using fuel at the wrong tempreture and it help them gain in the race and to win in front of Hamilton then surely they should be punished, what is it one rule for Ferrari and another for the rest of the paddock
Cheers
Colin

jaytc2003

iTrader: (1)

did anyone else think the ice man brake tested hamilton at the start thus allowing alonso to get past as well? (glad the iceman got it though instead of alonso)

The latest I read on yahoo was that the stewards didnt act on the fuel irregularity as they couldnt agree on the ambient temperature. This to me means the FIA have told the stewards not to proceed knowing that mclaren will appeal and because no ambient temp was agreed then the teams will probably lose the points and not the drivers.

If you think about it, the bmw and williams drivers shouldnt lose their points otherwise the mclaren drivers should have lost theirs.

So well done the iceman, unlucky Lewis but your time will come, and you have plenty of time. You have shown your potential alongside a double world champ and to do what you have done in your first season has been nothing short of remarkable.

jaytc2003

iTrader: (1)

Agree, the thing with this is that mclaren weren't using ferrari technology. they just had access to data part way through the season when the car had probably already been designed a year before!

Agree on this as well, however with the mclaren / ferrari incident drivers were not docked points when theoretically they should have been so it would be unfair to penalize the bmw drivers who probably didnt know (unlike alonso knowing about the ferrari data)

FlightMan

Becoming a joke this isn't it? Kimi wins the first race with an illegal "deformable" floor. The issue is "investigated" the floor is found to be illegal, yet the result is unchanged. Who does this negatively affect? McLaren.
Who gains? Ferrari.

BMW/Williams use "illegal" fuel, the fuel is investigated and found to be illegal, yet the result is unchanged. Who does this negatively affect? McLaren. Who gains? Ferrari.

McLaren are investigated for using Ferrari plans to enhance their car. Whilst in possesion of the plans, no Ferrari parts are found on the McLaren. The result is McLaren are fined $100m and loose all their constructors points. Who does this negatively affect? McLaren. Who gains? Ferrari.

The whole sport is a complete joke.

The Snug Rhino

the fact that theres even a rule about how cold the petrol is shows the "sport" is all a bit of a nonsense anyway.

fast bloke

It showed that from Hamiltons car. Kimi got a bit sideways right in front of Hamilton, so he had to back off.

Anyway, If we go back to Monaco where Hamilton was told not to race Alonso he may have had two more points giving him the championship, or when they forgot to tighten his wheel nuts, or when they put him on dry tyres too early,or when they left him out on shredded tyres. McLaren made lots of mistakes throughout the year trying to do something different to get the edge. Hamilton could have easily had 10 more points driving for a safe fourth place in China and at the Nurburgring. Instead they tried for a win and ended up with no points in either race. (This F1 tactics thing is dead easy with hindsight )

jaytc2003

iTrader: (1)

I agree

Luminous

iTrader: (3)

It is to help limit cost, otherwise the top teams would have super chilled fuel at great cost. There should be more limitations, and other teams should be allowed to inspect each others cars. That way people are more likely to be competitive

Flatcapdriver

A bit naive, I'm afraid. The FIA has spent the last decade ensuring an uneven playing field for the rest of the teams to ensure Ferrari's dominance and you only have to go back to the beginning of last year with deformable floor which was deemed illegal, removed by the Ferrari and Renault but they weren't penalised which is where the whole 'Stepneygate' saga kicked off.

The Ferrari brand is far more important to Formula Farce than the other teams in the same way that some muppet from the other side of the world 'supports' Manchester United without ever having been there.

Shame really because it used to be fun.

Trout

iTrader: (1)

Why?

No-one argues that WRC is less of a sport because they have to use a 34mm (IIRC) restrictor on the inlet and that if someone raced with 34.5mm restrictor that they would have a significant performance advantage.

All part of ensuring a level playing field.

Leslie

I cant actually remember Hamilton getting into the politics either. He has accepted everything that happened in good grace and also was quick to shake Raikkonen's hand in congratulation after the race. I think that he, Raikkonen and Massa have shown good sportsmanship throughout the season and that in the circumstances that Raikkonen is a worthy champion.

Hamilton had a very unlucky day, after having been brake tested by Alonso on the corner where he went wide, probably as much as anything to keep well out of Alonso's way. Very strange fault to have with the gear selection and I cannot understand why he was not fuelled for the rest of the race on his second stop. He did have a bit of a chance if he had not been forced to stop a third time.

Les

jaytc2003

iTrader: (1)

On an interview after the race with Ron Dennis he said it was right to change to a 3 stop as with the circumstances gearbox etc it saved him 10 seconds, besides the super softs would probably not have lasted the distance as the mclaren isnt the greatest on the tyres

Diesel

Thank God someone said it! This parochioal navel gazing about what is after all the huge success of a Brit newcomer, at the expense of a new world champion is so unsporting.

All the BBC showed last night on the news was a shot of the back of Kimi's head. I did actually want to see the world champion, not a sob story about Hamilton who came a brilliant second. Euronews next time for me maybe!

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Power Junkie

iTrader: (1)

It is about time Kimi won, he had been very close for a few years now. Im glad Alonso didnt win his conduct this year has been shocking. If the other cars had an advantage then It would be wrong not to act and punish them. What ever happens we all know Lewis has had a fantastic season even with all the politics that he has had to deal with. Next year he will be wiser and will be a real force.

SiPie

Not so sure about that ...

Without McLaren stealing all Ferrari's secrets Ferrari will have a much better car than MacLaren and Hamilton will be lucky to see 3rd in the drivers standings.

Back to another few years of Ferrari dominance I feel

Luminous

iTrader: (3)

Yeah, it could be like watching paint dry once again. Kimi V Masa, Lewis v the rest of the field.

I do hope I am wrong

rgv_stu

your wrong, F1 is not a sport its an advertising campain

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Got to love some of the crap posted in here. Kimi brake testing 'our boy', get a life FFS it's called motor racing. Shame you don't seem to complain at all about Hamilton impeding Kimi in Q3. Wonder why?

Well done Kimi, you deserve it. Hamilton's time will come.

Luminous

iTrader: (3)

Do you think Alonso may be feeling a little sore

After saying all of that, one can only think the next time Ron meets him, he will be taken out back and shot. Repeatedly

BBC SPORT | Motorsport | Formula One | Alonso questions McLaren appeal

FlightMan

Maybe becasue Lewis didn't impede Kimi? Ferrari had a half hearted whinge and the stewards threw it out. Doesn't sound like he impeded him to me.

jaytc2003

iTrader: (1)

bit of a slanderous statement that, especially considering nothing was stolen but was given

And why would mclaren use old ferrari technology when this years car was fast enough

Anyway well done Kimi, end of the day he won more races and got more points so deserves the title, would loved to have seen lewis win however like said his time will come

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

What a load of crap. The stewards did not throw it out as it never went before them. Kimi took it on the chin with good grace and Ferrari did not whinge as you put it. I do wonder where you people get your facts from. Planet Jingoism I think.

My point was the so called brake test by Kimi in the race was no worse than Hamilton's impeding of Kimiin Q3 yet there is no bleating about the Q3 incident is there because 'our boy' wasn't the 'victim'