Maz

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Hope it all goes as planned.

Lee247

Keep us up to date, jay

fast bloke

Jay - You are kidding yourself. 1500 calories a day would not sustain a 16 stone frame even if you were not training. You have reached a plateau because you have been dropping weight too rapidly. Your body is basically thinking it is going to starve to death in another 6 months and is fighting what you are trying to do. Methyl-1 will give you a short term gain, but your body will react more ferociously and when you come off it you will have no energy, no libido and if you so much as think of food you will gain half a stone. Chemically, it doesn't do anything that different to Atkins (other than wreck your liver) - It confuses your metabolism which reacts by burning fat because it doesn't know how else to sustain you. When you have finished confusing it it will think - 'fek - that was close - I better get some extra fat stored up in case it happens again'

Also, having a fat family doesn't make you fat in the same way that having rich parents doesn't make you rich. You will certainly have had an upbringing which will give you the tools you require to be either fat or rich. If you have a rich family and you never get a job you will eventually be poor. If you consume more energy than you use you will eventually be fat. You probably need between 3000 and 3500 calories a day to maintain your weight. AT the minute your metabolism has gone into starvation mode, but if you maintain 2500 calories a day and do 15 minutes excercise twice a day you will eventually lose the fat and keep it off. A pound of fat is worth about 3000 calories, so if you are 500 calories a day short, you will lose a pound a week. Dropping 42 pounds in 16 weeks is extreme and can't be sustained, but if you stick with the plan and don't starve you body quite as much you will get the result you desire. If you try and short circut the system you will be back at 19 stone by this time next year

_Meridian_

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Class C controlled drug actually - most of the common steroids are.


M

jaytc2003

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its not actually classed as a steroid, but a pro hormone which at the moment is legal. It has the same effects as a steroid though

jaytc2003

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thanks for your input on this and I know what your saying, When I first started my body probably did go into starvation mode when I didnt really know what I was doing, however I adjusted my eating habits further by having extra meals, mainly protein snacks, tuna chicken etc green veg like brocolli and spinach as well so my body is ticking along nicely. With regards exercise I was doing 30 mins+ per day on the running machine doing about 3 miles + at varying speeds this help loads with the weight loss, also drinking about 4 litres of water per day

I will never be 19 stone again

mart360

MID LIFE CRISIS ALERT


So what, you have a bit of overspill on the midriff.

Concerned your going to have to wear an 18 instead of a 16

Lets just hope your liver is up to the job, other wise you may hit size zero,

then youd be wearing a pitch pine overcoat


be happy with what youve got its yours, and your other half likes it too, and thats a big bonus

what are you going to do when the methelwhatnot dosent deliver?? try something stronger....


I know some one from a place i used to work, who,s started using stuff, lets just say he may have more bulk, but he dosent look well for it!!


Mart

jaytc2003

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Not quite, it was the fact the weight had creeped up over the years and went to over 19 stone not healthy. The fact is I wanted to reach mid life



yep, I do, but after the past few months I know I can get rid of it, I like the way my body is shaping up, its just needs some extra help to get where I want. I would be happy with a 34" waist


I hope so too, luckily from the research I have been doing there has been no reported cases of liver damage that I can find, that includes people who have cycled it and had bloodwork done before and after. The warnings are there to say to people look, abuse it and it can **** you up.

are most people truley happy with what they have? If i earn more money I would adjust my life to suit, so I would want more money still to get to the next level. I am happy with how my body is turning out just want that final step

No my plan is for only 2 cycles, from research that should be more than enough. If it doesnt work then thats that.


I know a few people as well and they look good, its swings and roundabouts, you just need to use the things correctly and not go mad, I also know a person who injects stuff and he goes mad with the volumes he injects and the frequency. As long as you are controlled and know what you are doing then it should be safe

J4CKO

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Why gamble with your liver if it doesnt involve booze ?

jaytc2003

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Hmmmmm


no sorry cant answer that one

Lee247

Pity L101 isn't around, he would have been able to give some advice

Varboy

Get yourself over to MuscleTalk Bodybuilding Forum you wont find better advice anywhere else.

I've not heard of this pro-hormone. Most I have heard about offer marginal benefits for a lot of cash.

Much cheaper and effective to do a cycle of injectables, plus less liver tox.

It's a big step though and can be addictive, think long and hard before going to the darkside.

jaytc2003

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it seems to be quite new in the uk however in the states its been out for a good few years. Dont want to do injectables as to me that is the start of a slippery slope, couldnt inject myself anyway. I agree about less liver tox as its straight in the system. As said previously though its only going to be for a max of 4 weeks over an 8 week period, this is going to be at a low does of 10mg which users say gives good results.

I am also going to maybe post some pictures before and after (depending on results) shame I didnt take one when I was 19+ stone however the camera lense wasnt wide enough!!

cost wise its only costing £15 as the carton contains 90 caps, the most I will need is 28 on 1 cap a day for a 2 week cycle x 2

coolangatta

jaytc, take it from me, you do not need anything except good exercise and good food to achieve your goals.
Let's face the music here, the chemically enhanced body went out with Arnie and his heart disease. It's hideous.
If your not losing the weight/body fat you think you should there's only two answers, 1. Eat less or adjust your diet, 2. Exercise more or adjust your programme.
I'm nearer 50 years old than 40 and have cycled between two much and too little muscle/fat from time to time. The balance takes time and understanding. Not filling your body with sh1te!!
Good luck!

Matteeboy

Why not stop trying to "cheat" and just eat and workout properly?

Several thousand Marines, Paras, Special Forces, etc can't be all that wrong.

GazTheHat

Why not go the whole hog? This works:

leo testosterone - Google Search=

jaytc2003

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I dont class it as cheating as I am not competing in anything or trying to gain an advantage over somebody else. I am doing it for me to get my body how I want it. Again as stated it is short term only, once I am at where I am I will continue to train as I have as I actually enjoy it now (never thought I would hear myself say that)

I do eat properly now, and I like to think I workout properly as well, I have never been this active and I do feel better for it.

As mentioned in the previous posts, I have reached a plateau, and I have tried adjusting my training, frequency, speed, sets, reps everything but it doesnt matter what I do now I just cant get rid of the few extra inches and the fat that I want to get rid off.

Matteeboy

If you're not trying to gain an advantage over anyone else, then why are you worried about reaching a plateau?
Just up your cardio, watch the fat and beer and you'll get there.

jaytc2003

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I have got good results from a sensible diet and a varied exercise program but I have hit a wall. I am not trying to look like arnie as like you say it is hideous, what I am trying to achieve is a physique that its lean and muscular, I dont want the veins popping out from all over the place thats not my goal. The stuff is a form of testosterone so its not like a foreign substance although obviously highly concentrated. As mentioned before though this is only going to be a 2 cycle thing over 8 weeks whilst mainting my diet and exercise. After that it will stop as if I get the results I want then I should be able to maintain my physique by the continuation of exercise and diet. If I dont get the results then its not working for me so I will try something else (dont mean anything illegal or anything like that)

Thanks for the wishes anyway

GazTheHat

It is tough when you hit a wall (couldn't spell platuea?!)

I just think if you're prepared to try these expensive nasties, then there are less expensive nasties that work better.

jaytc2003

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Im doing it for me.

I work long hours, up early home early evening ish depending on traffic. I have a desk job so hardly any exercise at work. Beer is only consumed in small amounts at weekends recently only been a saturday night. I think I do enough cardio now as it is to be honest, usually a run in the morning before work and before breakfast this is usually about 2 miles, then a few evenings a week I do weights followed by more interval cardio (the interval cardio is done every night regardless of doing the weights)

jaytc2003

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its only £15, or about 30 miles in my scoob


out of interest what would be the cheaper nasties that work better (apart from injectables)?

mamoon2

Jay,

One important thing you need to realise is that you cannot lose fat and gain muscle at the same time. Its one or the other, doing this course will make you put weight on, if you do not consume enough calories the M1T won't work- Fact, were talking 4000-4500 calories for a guy of your size.

You are looking at the wrong stuff, you need to cut the fat down first and then bulk up to gain lean mass.

To drop the fat you should be looking at getting your diet perfect and more cardio and maybe look at t3 or ephidrine to help strip the fat off.

Remember this:

Diet 40%
Training 30%
Rest 20%
Steriods/Pro-hormones 10%

This is the realistic ratio of what is important in gaining muscle

Have a look at www.muscletalk.co.uk like one of the other guys said.

Also, don't think you need a post cycle therapy for M1T, it is quite mild stuff!!

Varboy

Very good point.

I've managed to shed 30 pounds since May but have lost a lot of strength. Ergo it's very difficult to lose fat and build muscle.

Unless of course, again, you juice.... which you don't want to do.

You could always try clenbuterol which is in all honestly fairly benign compared to some of the BB'ing weight loss aids you could pop.


Just read the quoted post again T3 v.dangerous if not researched and dosed to the letter.
Ephedrine, evil stuff that makes you feel like a space cadet 24 hours a day at the dosages you need in order for it to be effective, plus it give you amphetamine *****.

GazTheHat

There isn't really.

Just they get a bad name. See peoples reactions when you say "steriods" compared to "supplements".



Break the vial, suck it up, knock the bubbles, jab in your butt, eat lettuce, lose fat, but put muscles on muscles.

So i've heard.

Varboy

You forgot to aspirate... so I read somewhere...

GazTheHat

[/off checking "aspirate" in thesaurus and google]

jaytc2003

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its not that difficult to lose fat and gain muscle. Cardio is the best way imo to lose fat, but you dont go at a mad pace. For instance I will do some weights, I will then finish off with cardio at this stage it is interval cardio but its a similar thing. What you do is only work at 60 - 70% of your max heart rate, this basically causes your body to use the fat as energy and not your actual muscle. The plus side is more muscle generally means a faster metabolic rate so you burn more as well.

Ive used clenbuterol along with some cnp sida cordifolia, the clen to be honest didnt really do anything for me, slight shakes initially but I cycled up to max dose with no effect so only did the one full cycle, again 2 weeks on.

T3 is not an option, that is something that can really mess your body up and cause serious problems. I have read about a guy who abused it something rotten and ended up messing up his thyroid to such an extent that he can put weight on by eating lettuce, not good.

Had ephidrene stack and to be honest it doesnt do anything for me, but others who have taken it have good results

Varboy

A lot depends on genetics as per one of your previous posts plus your baseline.

ie if you are an untrained chub then lifting sufficient weights and doing a bit of cardio will see you lose fat and put on muscle.

If you are a bit more conditioned, ie you have been training for a while and you are really pushing your genetic potential then it gets a bit tricky to eat sufficient carbs and protein to promote growth and lose BF - as you will here so many times, You gotta eat big to get big. Also, look at the pro-bb'ers when they are 'off season' fat as oxes and shifting huge poundage, come competition time, they're cutting a losing strength.

[quote=jaytc2003;7361522]Ive used clenbuterol along with some cnp sida cordifolia, the clen to be honest didnt really do anything for me, slight shakes initially but I cycled up to max dose with no effect so only did the one full cycle, again 2 weeks on.[quote]

At least you've tried it, works for some, not for others - gives me unbearable cramps in my calves and lower back



Yep, as per my post, real danger zone stuff.

There's another substance called DNP IIRC which the ****'s used on concentration camp prisoners to keep them relatively energetic whilst not feeding them much, very effective for weight loss but you would have to be pretty desperate to use it!

Same here, just made me feel like a Zombie.

jaytc2003

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Yep that was me 4months ago (sounds like an advert )

thats the stage i am at, however my aim isnt to bulk up but merely become more defined and lose a few more inches that I cant seem to lose

yeah I had lower back pain and a clen migraine

They didnt arrive today so will probably be monday now which is when I was going to start anyway as I have a party to go to in a bit and I definately need a drink for this one