gallois

well, two things, firstly the posters who are pointing out the history of christmas, and the ones who don't care either way are totally missing the point, it is not about the meaning of the holiday that is important it is the reason that it is being changed, what will the think-tanks (ffs, and we actually pay these peoples wages) change next? and secondly, stupendously idiotic schemes like this, actually cause far more problems than they solve. apparantly it is to embrace GB's multicultural status, when did we decide that we wanted to be a multicultural showpiece, don't get me wrong, i have nothing against foreign visitors, but they must and should adhere to the british culture and way of life, and also remain just visitors, **** like this will just end up forcing people to vote for parties like the BNP......

The Zohan

Agreed 99% - i think you need to add the words 'being forced to' before the word 'become'

Last year i was in Dubai, the christmas lights where out in the streets, the malls were covered in decorations a a lot like home - only better and more decorations! people exhanged christmas cards and presents

People took holiday, had christmas day off in a lot of companies, some Muslim owned companies worked christmas day, some did not and pretty much all did not work all of the 25th.

No-one complained, the Muslims did not kick off or cause problems, more respected the festival and entered into the spirit of things as did the hindus and seiks(sp) who where also out there. Ramadan, the various Eid's and also diwali and other festivals where celebrated and respected along with their customs.

In the same way we (me being agnostic) respected Muslim holidays and reigious festivals and rituals - it is their country and that is the right thing to do!

Sadly, the Uk has had the PC lobby has enforced their short sighted and idiotic ideas about what they think we should do rather than what it right and respectful creating this sort of situation and feeding the fires of the right wing.

Tolerance and respect goes a long way.

Christmas for me is a few days off, a chance to see family and freinds and be sociable!
Most importantly it is for kids and a should be a wonderful and magical time for young'uns s and we shall be doing our utmost to make it so for ours

Fuzz

Christmas for me is my holiday entitlement stretched to a week before official break and a week after.
Somewhere in those three weeks I should be on a plane then on a beach forgetting about this sh1tswilling country I live in during the other 49 weeks of the year..
If only I could afford to stay there... I would!

boxst

Quite a few of the people who work for me are Americans (actually in America) and I have to be very careful to send out a 'Happy Holiday' message as opposed to Happy Christmas otherwise HR would be all over me.

Steve

DLP

Gotta agree with you guys,xmas is getting out of problem moneywise,but if immigrats,muslims don,t agree with the basics of our culture,time to **** off back to where you came from.

moses

nice post paul , i agree bud its all pc bullsh1t i dont know of any muslims who want xmas banned , i believe its all pc nonsense coz each time someone opens his mouth in the media aboot it may offend some religious folks, its always a "may" but the culprits never seem tae show up


i woz in pakistan 10 yrs ago and where my family comes fae their is a christian quarter , all muslims and christians enjoying themselves and having fun and parties and shopping etc

whit i would say is in pakistan and the middle east , xmas is not a commercial pagan bullsh1t holiday but in fact a holy day when people try their best tae be nice and kind tae their fellow human being and dae good and help each other oot and feed the poor, thats whit xmas is aboot not just gifts and commercialism


cheers

moses

i came fae scotland and so dae many muslims i know, make us if u r man enuff, we spartans will slay yer *** and r mair patriotic than u will ever be, u son of a dole scrounger

moses

also for those xmas lovers

how many of u go tae church, refrain fae sex oot of marriage etc and if u dae , xmas belongs tae u, if it dont, why u complaining

and also history tells us jesus peace be upon him wasnt born on xmas day, but the sun God mithra did he woz born in the 25th of december a pagan God long before jesus peace be upon him

in islam jesus woz born under a date palm tree and, joseph doesnt even come intae the picture and we believe in the virgin mary and the miracleous birth etc and when the holy mother woz hungry she ate dates and dates dont grow in winter but between april and september i believe or something

the yule log and xmas tree r all pagan symbols not christian , sorry tae share the truth

but its true

if jesus pbuh woz here today and saw whit the so called christians dae in xmas, he would put u at the end of the sword and destroy all this commercial aspect of stuff just like he threw doon the money changers oot of the synagogue and condemned those evil rabbi's etc for making religion a joke

The Zohan

Hi Moses, good to hear from you agoain, hope the family is well mate

Please PM me your email address when you get a chance,

Nice to see you back on SN

Jay m A

iTrader: (2)

Moses, I agree to some extent to what you say, but I didn't think this mythical Jesus ever had a sword. But to be fair my research into this fellow is a tad limited!

The Snug Rhino

you can see how the BNP get their support....spin the truth, imply things are worse than they are and all of a sudden you have a que of morons, unable to think beyond the headlines their fed, ready to fight for their "beliefs"

stilover

I think the Labour Government, their Think-Tanks, and the PC Lobby are doing that for the BNP better than the BNP could do it themselves.

People don't vote for the BNP to get them elected. People vote for the BNP to try to make the Government take note that people have had enough.

Abdabz

It will always be yuletide to me On xmas morning after I have opened my presents I have a yule log.
For christians, I guess the millions who attend midnight mass on xmas eve make it clear that it is a religious festival still, although for many the commercialisation of the event has overshadowed it's original purpose - the end of the pagan festival celebrating the solsitce on the 22nd and the significant burning of the real yule log etc and more recently the religious cuckoo that is the birth of a soothsayer around 0AD.

It will never be damped down by a think tank. The worse that can happen already is in towns with stupid councils who ban st george bunting and dont put up xmas lights in case it offends someone etc...

Xmas is what we make it. We have made it what is has become and it's here to stay.

The Snug Rhino

but they arent - you need someone in between (Daily Mail, right wing SN user,etc) to take to the info and spin it so that what comes out is anything from "brussels says our bananas are too bendy" to "the red arrows are banned from the Olympics" ....... all nonsense that is miles from the truth but still sucked up by the public as being fact.

stilover

I agree that the Media can spin any story to make it more juicy, and the same as the BNP. The Government however are not blameless in all of this. Far from it. We all know this Government have well and truly fcuked this country up. It will only get worse. Much worse.

The Snug Rhino

If thats your opinion then fine....but it doesnt change the fact that this think tank stuff is all pants and spin.

Leslie

You should be grateful that you have the freedom still to celebrate Christmas in your own way as you should be entitled of course.

The fact is, this is still officially a Christian country and Christmas is a religious festival which is still celebrated as that by a large number of people. The fact that it is held at the same time as an old pagan holiday is neither here nor there. Those who wish to should be allowed to celebrate it in a religious manner without being hassled by those who disagree with religion.

All the hype that we see now is purely commercial greed by those who are after making a killing of course and has nothing to do with the original meaning. Just like so many people I hate to see all this because we know what is behind it all. You certainly can't blame the actual holiday for promoting that sort of thing. I would like to see the gross commercialism cut right back too.

By the same token, I see nothing wrong in sending some cards, giving some presents, and having a bit of a party too. My Austrian mother was a star when it came to making it a magic time for children incuding the tree, the Christmas cake, the presents, and not forgetting Father Christmas too! Midnight Mass was also included so we knew what it was all really for!

Les

moses

thats a nice post mate

but it dont fall on the pagan festival bros, it is the pagan festival, down the line in history someone brought that festival intae christianity

cheers

moses

lol paul hows u mate, hows the lil ones and the good lady

sure mate give me a bit , will pm u the email address

cheers, nice tae see u aboot here

DLP