**** Navs!!!
05 November 2007, 01:15 PM
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Some call them **** NAVS , some call them SAD NAVS . They are of course both purchased by people who are gullible enough to have been drawn in by the hype or the usual "keep up with the Jones` syndrome". Just another moneyspinner for electronics companies.
05 November 2007, 01:46 PM
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05 November 2007, 03:03 PM
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Let's hope you managed to resist the con whereby these nasty evil mean car manufacturers were getting people to trade in their horse and cart just to keep up with the Jones'
05 November 2007, 03:32 PM
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Nobody thinks about lorry and coach drivers though.
From today's Gruaniad:
You wonder when, precisely, Yuri Odehnal began to question the technology. The Czech lorry driver was en route to collect a consignment of televisions in his 40-tonne wagon, which measures a handsome 50ft long and 8ft wide, when the satellite navigation system steered him up a lane close to Ivybridge in Devon.
As he attempted to confirm with a passer-by that the route was too narrow, his fledgling English failed him, and he soon found himself thoroughly stuck. Odehnal had to live inside the lorry for three whole days, surviving on food brought by locals, until the owners procured a tractor to tow the wagon out.
Odehnal was not the first driver to find himself led astray by satnav. In March 2006, satellite navigation directed an articulated lorry over the narrow Morley Bridge on the A383 near Newton Abbot in Devon. Wedged between the bridge's walls for four hours, the lorry was eventually moved by axing several hedges and trees.
Later that same year a coach became lodged in Rosemary Lane in Stroat, Gloucestershire, and was forced to drive into fields to escape. The event prompted local residents to appeal to satnav makers to remove the lane from their recommended route.
Earlier this year, it took seven hours and the knocking down of a stone wall to free a roadworks dodging lorry that finally came to grief down an increasingly narrow lane near Abergwyngregyn in Gwynedd. Just half an hour later, a car towing a trailer became wedged in exactly the same spot. We're sure it could happen to anyone, but for those about to embark upon a journey in an articulated lorry, here's a simple rule of thumb: there are times for your new-fangled satellite navigation, and then there are times for good old-fashioned common sense.
From today's Gruaniad:
You wonder when, precisely, Yuri Odehnal began to question the technology. The Czech lorry driver was en route to collect a consignment of televisions in his 40-tonne wagon, which measures a handsome 50ft long and 8ft wide, when the satellite navigation system steered him up a lane close to Ivybridge in Devon.
As he attempted to confirm with a passer-by that the route was too narrow, his fledgling English failed him, and he soon found himself thoroughly stuck. Odehnal had to live inside the lorry for three whole days, surviving on food brought by locals, until the owners procured a tractor to tow the wagon out.
Odehnal was not the first driver to find himself led astray by satnav. In March 2006, satellite navigation directed an articulated lorry over the narrow Morley Bridge on the A383 near Newton Abbot in Devon. Wedged between the bridge's walls for four hours, the lorry was eventually moved by axing several hedges and trees.
Later that same year a coach became lodged in Rosemary Lane in Stroat, Gloucestershire, and was forced to drive into fields to escape. The event prompted local residents to appeal to satnav makers to remove the lane from their recommended route.
Earlier this year, it took seven hours and the knocking down of a stone wall to free a roadworks dodging lorry that finally came to grief down an increasingly narrow lane near Abergwyngregyn in Gwynedd. Just half an hour later, a car towing a trailer became wedged in exactly the same spot. We're sure it could happen to anyone, but for those about to embark upon a journey in an articulated lorry, here's a simple rule of thumb: there are times for your new-fangled satellite navigation, and then there are times for good old-fashioned common sense.
05 November 2007, 03:37 PM
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I hate lots of new gadgets - alot of modern technology leaves alot to be desired.
I think modern sat nav is very good. It is safer - reading a map is not as safe. You spend more time with your eyes on the road with sat nav. However more people seem to be placing total reliance on it. The goons.
The OS map is always the default back up. You actually know where you are in relation to your surroundings. The OS map is the foundation if you like and Sat Nav is the very good addition to this and is well worth using I reckon.
If satelites ever fall out of sky - god help half these sat nav nerds.
A few years back I was having to do training with some blokes in wales which involved detailed use of an OS map. One was young lad - with a look of panic on his face. He couldnt read a map - all us older ones looked at each other in disbelief. He had never had to - a member of Sat Nav, theres always been Macdonalds, computers and Supermarkets generation. Nice chap - but a worrying product of modern society.
So my view is
Learn to read an OS map inside out
And then buy sat nav and stick it in your car
Look at the map before the journey and then tuck it away in the glove box
I think modern sat nav is very good. It is safer - reading a map is not as safe. You spend more time with your eyes on the road with sat nav. However more people seem to be placing total reliance on it. The goons.
The OS map is always the default back up. You actually know where you are in relation to your surroundings. The OS map is the foundation if you like and Sat Nav is the very good addition to this and is well worth using I reckon.
If satelites ever fall out of sky - god help half these sat nav nerds.
A few years back I was having to do training with some blokes in wales which involved detailed use of an OS map. One was young lad - with a look of panic on his face. He couldnt read a map - all us older ones looked at each other in disbelief. He had never had to - a member of Sat Nav, theres always been Macdonalds, computers and Supermarkets generation. Nice chap - but a worrying product of modern society.
So my view is
Learn to read an OS map inside out
And then buy sat nav and stick it in your car
Look at the map before the journey and then tuck it away in the glove box
05 November 2007, 03:38 PM
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Nobody thinks about lorry and coach drivers though.
From today's Gruaniad:
You wonder when, precisely, Yuri Odehnal began to question the technology. The Czech lorry driver was en route to collect a consignment of televisions in his 40-tonne wagon, which measures a handsome 50ft long and 8ft wide, when the satellite navigation system steered him up a lane close to Ivybridge in Devon.
As he attempted to confirm with a passer-by that the route was too narrow, his fledgling English failed him, and he soon found himself thoroughly stuck. Odehnal had to live inside the lorry for three whole days, surviving on food brought by locals, until the owners procured a tractor to tow the wagon out.
Odehnal was not the first driver to find himself led astray by satnav. In March 2006, satellite navigation directed an articulated lorry over the narrow Morley Bridge on the A383 near Newton Abbot in Devon. Wedged between the bridge's walls for four hours, the lorry was eventually moved by axing several hedges and trees.
Later that same year a coach became lodged in Rosemary Lane in Stroat, Gloucestershire, and was forced to drive into fields to escape. The event prompted local residents to appeal to satnav makers to remove the lane from their recommended route.
Earlier this year, it took seven hours and the knocking down of a stone wall to free a roadworks dodging lorry that finally came to grief down an increasingly narrow lane near Abergwyngregyn in Gwynedd. Just half an hour later, a car towing a trailer became wedged in exactly the same spot. We're sure it could happen to anyone, but for those about to embark upon a journey in an articulated lorry, here's a simple rule of thumb: there are times for your new-fangled satellite navigation, and then there are times for good old-fashioned common sense.
From today's Gruaniad:
You wonder when, precisely, Yuri Odehnal began to question the technology. The Czech lorry driver was en route to collect a consignment of televisions in his 40-tonne wagon, which measures a handsome 50ft long and 8ft wide, when the satellite navigation system steered him up a lane close to Ivybridge in Devon.
As he attempted to confirm with a passer-by that the route was too narrow, his fledgling English failed him, and he soon found himself thoroughly stuck. Odehnal had to live inside the lorry for three whole days, surviving on food brought by locals, until the owners procured a tractor to tow the wagon out.
Odehnal was not the first driver to find himself led astray by satnav. In March 2006, satellite navigation directed an articulated lorry over the narrow Morley Bridge on the A383 near Newton Abbot in Devon. Wedged between the bridge's walls for four hours, the lorry was eventually moved by axing several hedges and trees.
Later that same year a coach became lodged in Rosemary Lane in Stroat, Gloucestershire, and was forced to drive into fields to escape. The event prompted local residents to appeal to satnav makers to remove the lane from their recommended route.
Earlier this year, it took seven hours and the knocking down of a stone wall to free a roadworks dodging lorry that finally came to grief down an increasingly narrow lane near Abergwyngregyn in Gwynedd. Just half an hour later, a car towing a trailer became wedged in exactly the same spot. We're sure it could happen to anyone, but for those about to embark upon a journey in an articulated lorry, here's a simple rule of thumb: there are times for your new-fangled satellite navigation, and then there are times for good old-fashioned common sense.
Maps & satnav both have their place. When I'm on my own and going somewhere I've never been before, it is very useful. Don't have to keep stopping every 5 minutes to consult the map. I tend to use it even with passengers in the car these days. That way they can enjoy the drive / view rather than spending all their time looking down at a lump of paper...
05 November 2007, 04:44 PM
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Why have people got it in their heads that somehow people who use maps are doing 70 mph holding a map open.
Step1- Look at map and plan route.
Step 2-Put map away and drive to destination
I won't deny sometimes SN is useful but for most people absolutely pointless for most of the year.Just something that looks nice lit up in the car.
Step1- Look at map and plan route.
Step 2-Put map away and drive to destination
I won't deny sometimes SN is useful but for most people absolutely pointless for most of the year.Just something that looks nice lit up in the car.
05 November 2007, 04:48 PM
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05 November 2007, 05:13 PM
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It would appear that even 'professional' drivers rely too much on sat navs rather than using common sense and a map as well.
Where my dad works, there is only one safe way in and out. The AA has got it right on their website but TomTom, RAC, google maps etc all have it different. Despite numerous emails (my dad works in site safety!!), no-one has updated their systems yet.
More than one large artic has got stuck by following sat nav instructions and the latest, most recent one caused over £100k worth of damage to the road as the road collapsed underneath the weight of the lorry. Obviously the lorry got a tad stuck too and also had to be hauled out somehow. Cue lots of employees now out on a 'break' enjoying the entertainment!!
Where my dad works, there is only one safe way in and out. The AA has got it right on their website but TomTom, RAC, google maps etc all have it different. Despite numerous emails (my dad works in site safety!!), no-one has updated their systems yet.
More than one large artic has got stuck by following sat nav instructions and the latest, most recent one caused over £100k worth of damage to the road as the road collapsed underneath the weight of the lorry. Obviously the lorry got a tad stuck too and also had to be hauled out somehow. Cue lots of employees now out on a 'break' enjoying the entertainment!!
05 November 2007, 05:16 PM
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It would appear that even 'professional' drivers rely too much on sat navs rather than using common sense and a map as well.
Where my dad works, there is only one safe way in and out. The AA has got it right on their website but TomTom, RAC, google maps etc all have it different. Despite numerous emails (my dad works in site safety!!), no-one has updated their systems yet.
More than one large artic has got stuck by following sat nav instructions and the latest, most recent one caused over £100k worth of damage to the road as the road collapsed underneath the weight of the lorry. Obviously the lorry got a tad stuck too and also had to be hauled out somehow. Cue lots of employees now out on a 'break' enjoying the entertainment!!
Where my dad works, there is only one safe way in and out. The AA has got it right on their website but TomTom, RAC, google maps etc all have it different. Despite numerous emails (my dad works in site safety!!), no-one has updated their systems yet.
More than one large artic has got stuck by following sat nav instructions and the latest, most recent one caused over £100k worth of damage to the road as the road collapsed underneath the weight of the lorry. Obviously the lorry got a tad stuck too and also had to be hauled out somehow. Cue lots of employees now out on a 'break' enjoying the entertainment!!
05 November 2007, 05:33 PM
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Not really, the map would show that it was a lane, rather than a road suitable for HGVs and common sense of looking where you were going would have shown that are weight restrictions on the road!
Sat nav is a useful aid, not the be all and end all!
Sat nav is a useful aid, not the be all and end all!
05 November 2007, 06:18 PM
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Depends on the sat nav unit and how up to date the maps are.
I love my sony, it shuts up if you end up anywhere it doesn't have a map for rather than continually trying to redirect you, so far it has been spot on, saved my **** when i bought the scoob in birmingham, never driven up there before.
And yes im fully trained in how to use an os map, how to get a bearing using trig points what a tumuli is etc.
Anyhoo they have a guide on the side telling you what's what anyway.
I love my sony, it shuts up if you end up anywhere it doesn't have a map for rather than continually trying to redirect you, so far it has been spot on, saved my **** when i bought the scoob in birmingham, never driven up there before.
And yes im fully trained in how to use an os map, how to get a bearing using trig points what a tumuli is etc.
Anyhoo they have a guide on the side telling you what's what anyway.
05 November 2007, 06:27 PM
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1) as above when I haven't been somewhere before - except that I usually ignore the first part of the SN's instructions and follow the map route (the SN recalculates if I haven't gone the way it suggested) and
2) for journys outside the local area where I'm not sure where the Scameras are the scamera locations are very useful!
Never use it locally though - tucked away in the glove box.
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