Iwan

Have you asked him? I know him and he's a decent bloke, his opinion on whether the loose pipes could have caused damage might be useful.

serega

Ok guys, it seems that after reading all your insightful comments, the owner has decided to reach an agreement which is fine with both me and him.

Viva La Scoobynet! Case closed, big thanks to everyone for participating!

Luminous

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Glad to hear you are happy. Of course, now the can of worms is open we would all like to know more

Have they changed their stance with regards to the running issue? Was that really your fault, is it really possible to take it too easy?

I know you will want to keep a lot of the details to your chest, but the community wants answers now you have brought us all into this

serega

They have not changed their stance, but decided to keep their name out of this, for whatever reasons.
I will still think that i am right and they will probably still think they are right, but im glad we reached a conclusion to accomodate both parties.

pslewis

Compromise is always the best way

bighead

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welldone serega.......power to the people

unfeasablylargegonads

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They probably looked at it and thought yeap a small claims court would probably rule for you and the publicity on here would be very bad (sure to cause at least a few people to go elsewhere for work).

That said, they deserve credit for being big enough/care about their customers/reputation enough to reach an agreement with you when they could have stuck to their guns and caused lots of grief.

Happy it worked out for you mate

gazza-uk

who was it, who was it!

exvaux

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but at least it shows if you stick to your guns it can work out,well done,now go enjoy your hard earned

Shark Man

That's modifying cars for you.

One should never run a modified high BHP car on a tight budget. It ends up in tears more often than not....and even then, that can happen when nothing breaks....

As many people do not realise, a stock bhp engine will hapily do 100,000+ miles (plus many more if cared for) between rebuilds. A high BHP car, be it a custom built, or on stock internals engine will struggle.

As mentioned: Seraga's engine is good for upto 25,000miles before it'll need rebuilding again. That's a fact of pushing more power through a small engine; it wears out quicker, if one can't budget for that. It's going to end in tears.

In a perfect worlds: If one forks out for a complete "built" high BHP engine, one must also be able to easily afford the "next" engine, plus the gearbox (plus spare ), diff, brakes, suspension etc. If you can't afford it, then your taking chances, and not everyone's a winner.

Gazza, I don't think you want to know who it is: They are very well known and respected, and they will continue to be so, becuase they are a good company. I can understand that they have overheads as large as the best of us in the motortrade, so impartiality on specific problems is greatly affected when costly work starts eating into it; especially when the scienario is that some problems are their fault, whilst other problems aren't. As I said, they are a well respected company, and both parties have reached an agreement on resolving the issue.

....although they once told me to take my Isuzu Trooper (3.0 dohc Diesel) into the woods with a can of petrol and set fire to it....in hindsight, it was good advice

Suresh

Excellent news. SN to the rescue

Mikkel

Spot on SharkMan. Modifying cars is not cheap and you need to have the wedge to sustain the modifications. Never credit card modify!

You can get away with some modifications without breaking the bank or more importantly the lifespan of your engine... but when tuning an engine to it's limits you need to be prepared to financially support it.

Saying that, glad the OP got a deal done as his story was particulary unfortunate IMHO.

speedking

76,000 never tracked raced or rallied

scoobyboy

....although they once told me to take my Isuzu Trooper (3.0 dohc Diesel) into the woods with a can of petrol and set fire to it....in hindsight, it was good advice [/QUOTE]

probably because they couldn't fix it not many dealers can, when you read the posts on itocuk there seems to be only one dealer who knows about the 3.0l and with isuzu now replacing engines if they blow up it's never been better if you own a 3.0l trooper.

APIDavid

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That 4JX1 - turbo engine [ 3.0 Trooper turbo] was an engine designed by Isuzu to run a digger or similar static machine. lt was never meant to run a vehicle with all the changes in revs and load pressures and the three liquids that meet where the injectors fit into the head [ Fuel / oil / water ] proved impossible to keep separate.

It also had 2 oil pumps; one for the engine and another for the fuel injection system.

Back in their heyday many Isuzu dealers had car parks jammed with them where customers had become frustrated with the unreliability and had sent them back and stopped paying the instalments. Rumour has it that it nearly broke IM through warranty costs.

A total disaster and it was probably quite correct to burn it as a means of getting rid.

David APi

scoobyboy

ah couple of mistakes there david! there is only water and fuel that meet in the head the oil is passed through the injector and out of their exhaust ports it never goes into the head and there are 3 oil pumps 2 for the injectors and one for the lubrication. i.m were financially ok it was isuzu it nearly made bankrupt but they stuck by it and after a few modifications all done free of charge under warranty regardless of age they don't suffer with the problems they used to.

Trout

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Edited as for some reason the thread ended at page 2 when I was reading it last night! Thanks Speedking the rolleyes were really helpful!

speedking

Rannoch, have you read post #62

APIDavid

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That ain't true, we had many arguments with IM dealers to try and get a car covered by warranty and if there was the slightest chance that IM would / could get out of it they did. Just like they do on Subaru.

Crossroads at Tredington had 5 or 6 dumped in their yard at one point where the owners refused to pay huge sums to repair the car, that they thought should be covered by warranty, with cars that were legitimately within warranty. IM dug their heels in and said no. After that I do not know the conclusion.

The fuel injection system is way too complicated and seemed not to work consistently or be unable to keep dissimilar fluids, fuel AND oil and water apart for more thgan 3000 miles.

One of the mods was a different dipstick, if I remember, in an effort to keep the oil out of where it shouldn't be.

David

burns

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Cor how did I get on a Isuzu forum
I could swear I was on Scoobynet
Oh well, while I'm here can any one tell me the 0 to 60 of my trooper turbo

APIDavid

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The 60 gives it away - That's days

scoobyboy

david your stuck in about 2001! since then it has all changed, i.m now honour the engines regardless of mileage even imports as well and there is a big recall going on for the injectors to be changed which has been recognised as the main reason for the engines blowing up. the oil mixed with the diesel inside the injector not the head as it doesn't pass through the head at all, the seals inside the injectors have been replaced for ceramic seals which don't leak. the diesel in the coolant problem arose from leaking o rings on the sleeves and again another recall was issued and this has now been sorted as well.
there never was o modified dipstick to prevent oil from getting where it shouldn't be if crossroads told you that that explains why we get all their isuzu customers!
all the recalls are live on i.m systems and a dealer just needs to log on with a chassis no. to check
check out the itocuk website for the up to date news

cookstar

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Hope you get it all sorted in the end mate

Shark Man

Yay, I've seemingly triggered an Isuzu debate (call me the thread-jacker )

Yup 3 oil pumps, don't I know it as that was the problem area in my particular case. 1 oil for engine, and 2 for the fuel injection; one just being a lift pump to provide oil to the secondry pump (why does spring to mind).

Turns out on this particular case that with everyone sucking through their teeth and saying "its the injectors, mate" Turns out, there was nothing wrong with them (ticking time bomb maybe, but it wasn't the problem here).

But, obviously that was found out after doing all the recall work to replace them. The system was still suffering pressure loss issues on the oil feed to the injectors. But the new injectors made it worse! To the point it would no longer run. Presumably the newer designs need better oil pressure to operate correctly, where the older one were not so fussy. Only then could attention be given to the 2 oil pumps (one lift, one pressure) used for the fueling system.

One solonoid later and that was fixed, however, that was after investigating in the engine's nether regions to ensure that the bottom end had not suffered from any possible injector leakage issues (may as well, while the engine is on the bench). Unfortunately some feejit who worked on it didn't note the flywheel position (was removed to inspect lift pump). Resulting in a lot of confusion come starting time, and me scratching heads at the timing signals on my scope. Still, it did help to draw attention to a marginal signal from the crankshaft position sensor.

Once that was sorted it ran fine. Barring it blowing a few coolant hoses, and fuel draining back into the tank after standing ununsed over the weekend.

But god are they an **** to work on - nothing is acessible without having to remove something thats in the way. It makes changing spark plugs on a Mitsi Shogan V6 seem like a walk in the park.

Even now, knowing them pretty much inside out and being able to fix it. I still think the woods+petrol+matches would have fixed the "problem" much easier

scoobyboy

lol you have just listed nearly every problem i see every day!