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Old 08 November 2007, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by stilover
If the `O Zone` disapeared tomorrow we'd all fry. Yet I suppose all we would have to do it build houses out of 2mm Aluminium, and we'd all be fine
Well, yes actually. Ozone (not O Zone) blocks UV radiation. As you should already know, you can block that with suncream. 2mm of aluminium wouldn't look good on the beach.
Old 08 November 2007, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by stilover
Dogs? Yes
Monkeys? Yes
Humans? No


Go run through a Nuclear reactor for a few minutes, then see how long you live for afterwards.
Neil Armstrong and his mates have had absolutely no side effects from spending longer than a few minutes exposed to the radiation from the sun. Look at Chernobyl (spell check) when that blew. Many people died from the Radiation. Maybe they should have took shelter behind some Aluminium plates.
Err, a nuclear power plant is a fission reaction, the sun is fusion. They are rather different things with different types of radiation, you need to do some reading!
Old 08 November 2007, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by TopBanana
Next question!
Is the radiation from the sun experienced by astronauts particle radiation or electromagnetic radiation?
Old 08 November 2007, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by ZIPPY
Nope i disagree entirely, with regard the Pentagon plane crash, where was the plane ? The MOST secure building in the world which has more CCTV cameras per square mile than anywhere on earth and not one picked up a low flying airliner which hit the building making a hole no bigger than 10ft across, ohh and no scorch marks on the ground either the novice pilot managed to fly at a height of 3ft and hit the outer wall cleanly, WOW.

The only footage was of an explosion just AFTER impact, yeah right.

We have all seen the planes hitting the tower and you can see the devastation at impact (Why none after the Pentagon was hit).
There's a hell of a difference between 4mm of glass and several feet of blast reinforced concrete, as you say, the pentago is very secure. Even so, look at the photos of the damage, penetration of all 5 rings, massive destruction, floor to roof of the outer ring and jet debris everywhere in cluding the engines or did they pack the cruise missle with plane parts?

If it was true then why havent they been back in 40 odd years ?
We have, 5 times!
Old 08 November 2007, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by SJ_Skyline
Is the radiation from the sun experienced by astronauts particle radiation or electromagnetic radiation?
Both - the same is true for all of us, to a greater or lesser degree depending on where you live.
Old 08 November 2007, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by TopBanana
Both - the same is true for all of us, to a greater or lesser degree depending on where you live.



NASA did take a "flyer" by all accounts on the moon landings. If there had been unusually high solar activity, then by all accounts the astronauts could have been in trouble.
Old 08 November 2007, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by OllyK


We have, 5 times!
It always amazes me when people think for some reason that the Summer of 69 was the one and only time we went to the moon.
Old 08 November 2007, 11:53 AM
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I dont think they did...
My Dad who "watched it live" goes mental when I imply it may not have happened, as if I am destroying his childhood if it didnt...
I have watched the conspiracy programmes about it, seen both sides of the arguement, even been to to the Cape and seen a shuttle on the launchpad but I am still to be convinced that man walked on the moon nearly 50 years ago...
it's like believing in ghosts, some say they have seen them... hmmm...
Old 08 November 2007, 11:54 AM
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No, I think it's all a conspiracy.

I do believe in God though.
Old 08 November 2007, 11:56 AM
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Still think its about 35yrs since the last human moon visit though Pete. A long time.

Does the moon rotate like the earth, could we not land on the dark side of the moon to get round the sun radiation problem?

We have definitely went, just a strange reason as to why we've not been back. Can't see it being down to money, the moon is only a short trip away. The probes they send off into deep space will no doubt be far more expensive than a moon landing!
Old 08 November 2007, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by PeteBrant
It always amazes me when people think for some reason that the Summer of 69 was the one and only time we went to the moon.
And some don't even believe in that one it would seem!
Old 08 November 2007, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Brendan Hughes
No, I think it's all a conspiracy.

I do believe in God though.
Old 08 November 2007, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Mitchy260
Does the moon rotate like the earth, could we not land on the dark side of the moon to get round the sun radiation problem?
No it's stuck with one fact permanently looking at us. It does wobble about a bit though (libration). There's no dark side, just a side that we can't see from Earth.

We have definitely went, just a strange reason as to why we've not been back. Can't see it being down to money, the moon is only a short trip away. The probes they send off into deep space will no doubt be far more expensive than a moon landing!
Money is what it comes down to. The space programme used up 5% of the USA's GDP back in the late sixies. NASA is also a lot less 'efficient' at spending cash than they used to be.
Old 08 November 2007, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
And yet the russians were the first to put a man in to space and had people manning the MIA space station for anything up to a year at a time. Are you telling me that has 14" thick lead walls?
All within Earths orbit. Not deep space.

The new space station is positioned in Earths lower Orbit. It is still protected from the radiation from the Sun.

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Old 08 November 2007, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Mitchy260
Still think its about 35yrs since the last human moon visit though Pete. A long time.

What you have to ask yourself is what would be gained by repeated visits to the moon? It's not like popping down to Tescos, there is a big risk to the astronauts, there is the financial cost and the negative impacts on the space programme of failure.

The planned landing of 2019 have a purpose, they are part of a Mars mission. There woul dhave been nothing to be gained expect more moon rocks were landing continued throughout the 70's. THe risk reward ratio just wasn't tthere.
Old 08 November 2007, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by stilover
All within Earths orbit. Not deep space.

The new space station is positioned in Earths lower Orbit. It is still protected from the radiation from the Sun.
Old 08 November 2007, 12:12 PM
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I think stilover has lost the plot!
Old 08 November 2007, 12:12 PM
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Surely if they went to the Moon and left the Lunar Rover there then with modern telescopes we would be able to see it ?

Or do the US government like most British people want to cover up ever owning any kind of Rover ?
Old 08 November 2007, 12:13 PM
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I had my doubts but after reading Moonwalkers I''m 100% convinced all the missions were genuine.

These guys were the top of the right stuff, the hardest, fastest fittest test pilots but nearly all their lives were changed by observing the earth as a small blue globe in the galaxy.

They couldn't do the Apollo missions today, the risks they took and the dangers they faced would not be tollerated by the politicians and the project would be ruled by health and safety. The designers, controllers and pilots were all young guys who didnt see barriers before them, they had a near unlimited budget, a dream and the whole nation behind them.

Anyone under 40 will probably not have actual memories of man in deep space which is sad. It's easy to see why some question how it was possible yet with all the technological advances over the last 38 years we haven't gone back.
Money is the answer, it cost $25.4 Billion dollars in the 60's for the Apollo program which in 2006 would be $135Billion.

At the time we had to beat Russia to the Moon. Today we are fighting a different enemy and a different war.
If Bin Laden decides to go to the moon I'm sure the Americans will get there before him.

Cheers
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Old 08 November 2007, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by logiclee
If Bin Laden decides to go to the moon I'm sure the Americans will get there before him.
Bollocks. They'll just use it as a justification to invade Mars who had clear links to the moon for several years that just weren't made public.
Old 08 November 2007, 12:16 PM
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Perhaps its where all the Weapons of Mass destruction are kept ?
Old 08 November 2007, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by J4CKO
Surely if they went to the Moon and left the Lunar Rover there then with modern telescopes we would be able to see it ?

Or do the US government like most British people want to cover up ever owning any kind of Rover ?

Old 08 November 2007, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by J4CKO

Or do the US government like most British people want to cover up ever owning any kind of Rover ?
b'doom tish!!!


You can see the reflector arrays left on the moon from the landings, and using a laser and telescope you can measure the distance - They were left on the moon so as to leave a method to measure the exact distance betwen the moon and the earth, Apool 11, 14 & 15 all left arrays up there.

List of artificial objects on the Moon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Old 08 November 2007, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by TopBanana
That's pisspoor reasoning.
quality retort there
just expressing my opinion

still don't think they got there until later

if they did though, how annoying to be on the second mission!
Old 08 November 2007, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by stilover
All within Earths orbit. Not deep space.

The new space station is positioned in Earths lower Orbit. It is still protected from the radiation from the Sun.
Surrey satellite firm to design NASA lunar mission | The Register

The difference in radiation levels between the 2 are negligable.
Old 08 November 2007, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by J4CKO
Surely if they went to the Moon and left the Lunar Rover there then with modern telescopes we would be able to see it ?

Or do the US government like most British people want to cover up ever owning any kind of Rover ?
Nope - HubbleSite - Reference Desk - FAQs
Old 08 November 2007, 12:59 PM
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I've met Buzz Aldrin and he said he was there, and I personally believe him
Old 08 November 2007, 01:33 PM
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Does any really think a conspiricy could be kept secret for this long? Can you imagine how many people would have to be involved?!
They clearly did go there.
Old 08 November 2007, 01:38 PM
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You know those threads, that follow you around forever, and if you ever express something as fact, then people will doubt you due to past statements. Well this is stilovers

Anything he says from now on, you know, say if he said "Did you know dogs can't look up" or something like that, you are going to think "really? Wow.... oh...wait, you're that bloke that thinks man has never been into space aren't you"

Old 08 November 2007, 01:47 PM
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Not to the 34% who voted "No" though...


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