David Lock

Well your g/f is better placed than I to make a judgment. But when you think that thousands of Zimbabweans have had their homes (such as they were) bulldozed to the ground and basic food aid is denied to the starving I assumed, perhaps wrongly, that many would reflect on the days when they had a home, did not live in fear of police arrest and worse, and maybe even had a job - albeit under a racist white man.

Rannoch - there were good elements of the Smith regime. Maybe for the wrong reasons. That is not a defence of his views but it is fact nonetheless. David

dpb

I suspect theres always the tribal element to contend with , Shona v ndebele . And unfortunately Mugabe is able to exploit the fear of being returned to white rule as well as posssibly being as greedy as any other african ruler - unfortunately

Leslie

Naturally I would not go along with that kind of behaviour. However, how does Rhodesia compare with what is happening to the people of Zimbabwe now?

Les

Suresh

So its all Ian Smith´s / whitey´s fault then Don´t be so ridiculous!
I think the truth really would be too painful for you.

Prasius

iTrader: (1)

I'll say it Suresh..

The truth is, that in the last 50 years, Black Africans have shown themselves to be utterly incapable of running their own affairs.

While many previous Colonies have got issues with regards to human rights, personal freedoms, etc.. none have so completely failed as those in Africa. It's about time people felt able to point the finger at those who are now responsible - Black Africans.

Having a Vote or Having food. I know which one I'd take.

*Awaits my inevitable infraction*

dpb

Uncle Bob started giving back the farms/land to those that it belonged to 10 years too late and in panic and with no 'handover/training' whatsoever - and whites who still refused obviously suffered

Suresh

.. and whilst its of course "not nice" to say it, this sadly is the right answer. I'm shure of it.

Prasius

iTrader: (1)

Sorry - I'm not sure that I followed..

"giving back the farms/land to those that it belonged to".

A Zimbabwean is a Zimbabwean regardless of colour correct? I mean, an Asian who is British is still British right? Unless of course, your condoning me entering their house, torturing them, and taking all their property and land from them because they're Asian and I'm White, because this country belongs to the whites, right? Which means they've taken stuff from me.. and I have the right to take it back regardless?

You can't apply one set of rules in one country, and not in another when it comes to right and wrong. What Magabe has done in Zimbabwe is wrong, and has resulted in suffering on a massive scale in what used to be one of the most affulent countries in Africa.

dpb

Id agree with you if it was this country however many of those settlers have only been there a relatively short time (60 years) and are in a 25-1 minority - and its still the dream of most of the indigenous population to have enough land each to make a living

Prasius

iTrader: (1)

Most "settlers" have only been here for a similar time - and many of the younger indiginous population dream of being able to buy their first house

As far as the right or wrongs go, I can't honestly see any difference. I'm not making excuses for the past - but I'm not willing to make excuses for the present either.

A lot of this is based on 2 years of talking to people from Zimbabwe, amoungst other places, who were claiming asylum here. I've seen some of the scars, including one black gentleman who was dragged from his home, blind-folded, taken to an unknown location and electrocuted via his ********* - just because his brother ran against a Zanu-PF Candidate in a local election.

There is no excuse for that behaviour. None at all.