Fantom

Remember though, the touring car is on slicks, Zen aren't. With slicks I'm sure they'd absolutely kill a bike.

GazTheHat

Not being paying attention much, just saw someone asking for you.

dazdavies

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He can't ride for sh*t. He's in the wrong gear most of the time, look at his rpm needle when he needs to be applying power!!

Just goes to show its not all about the equipment.
alot of bikes do 10 second quarters in standard form. Look at a brand new gsxr 1000 £9K

How much would you have to spend on a scoob to do that? A hell of alot more!!!!!!!!

darrens_here

I think thats the point.

I can go buy a standard model "run of the mill " gsr thou and would knock the shreads of any "standard run of the mill" car..............

Ok, my car and bike are probably equivilent levels off machines, that can be bough as standard, my bike (zx636r - un-modded)my car (MY04 wrx, also un-modded). The bike is MUCH MUCH faster in terms of accerlaration, and the sheer buzz is much much better 9although the car is the best Ive driven!) ,,,,,,,,, but Im sure I can go faster in the car around bends than I can on the bike, certainly roundabouts and the like.

What would win on a lap of a circuit, Id have to say the bike.

Jam Performance

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Everything is relative, big bikes are powerful, BUT you need good drivers, it shouldn't be a surprise if a big power car beats a bike, in these conditions on these roads it would be very difficult to keep the power down on a bike.....

dazdavies

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Best of both worlds I have a circa 500bhp scoob and an almost standard GSXR 1000 with Ohlins supsension, and a yoshi race can.

The bike is quicker where ever I go.

This time of year though I prefer the car!!

Tidgy

been quote of 5 second + improvment for a decent set of slicks on a race car (that is comparing lap times on a ferrari 360 challenge race car).

R4LLY

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The drivers of the Zen car, said if on the same tyres as the BTCC they woudl beat the BTCC times...

After reading this thread, it's unbelievable how many people are unaware how fast a car is around a track when driven properly.....

Also Superbikes are a fair way off the tuners cars around a BTCC circuit.

In the SBK (World Superbike Championship) the lap record for Silverstone is 1'24.558 by Tony Bayliss in the Ducati 999.

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Zen done it in 1'02.1, and RC won the round with a 1'01.... BIG difference...

If you look at the other competitors times, you can see that the club class competitors beat this time also. Some were running considerably less power than Zen....

Time Attack Series - News

Check the times for Brands Hatch as well, the bikes were lapping in 1'25's and the Zen car done it in 0'49....
Over 30 seconds difference......

Huge difference on Track. A good setup car with good driver will always beat a comparable bike around a track.

Fastest GP bike around the "ring":

7:49.72 157.885 km/h -- Honda RC30, Helmut Daehne (93) (moto bike)

The new GTR beats that time in standard form....

Helmut thinks even todays bikes (R1, GSXR1000) don't have the speed of steering to compete with that time.

A lot of bike riders in top spec bikes are happy to beat the 9 min barrier...
The standard spec C finished it in under 8mins

YouTube - Impreza Spec C Nurburgring 7.59

YouTube - Nürburgring lap on a Yamaha R1

Many people overestimate Super bikes on track and underestimate car's...



Can a car beat a bike around the track?

Yes with a decent driver, quite easily....

Pudders69

sure someone with more time and youtube may come along and answer that. i know i have heard of faster times from bikes.

Can't see a RC30 been the fastest round the ring on 2 wheels

GazTheHat

All that was missing from that super-post was: "So put that in your pipe and smoke it."

R4LLY

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It is....

Helmut Dahne is riding an R1 in the vid, and look at the time he gets then.

Helmut Dahne is a world renowned rider, not someone down the pub who reckons he's done a 7 min lap in his 1000....

R4LLY

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To all those who reckon a bike is faster than a car:

"Put that in your pipe and smoke it"

Pudders69

The official full lap record (not bridge to gantry) was set 15 years ago by Helmut Dahne on a Honda RC30 fitted with race tyres.

Okay

They reckon that the extra track missed out from the gantry to the bridge is worth about 20 seconds a lap on a fast bike so if you add this to a bridge to gantry lap you'll get a rough idea of a full lap.

This months Performance Bikes magazine has a test of the MV F4 at the Ring and it laps Bridge to Gantry in 7m 21.8seconds so adding 20 seconds to that beats the old record. That's set on street tyres as well with a live track (other traffic on it).



uummm road bike on road tyres beats old race bike on race tyres. I can google to.

R4LLY

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So they missed out part of the track and estimate it to be 20 seconds....

Even if you consider the time to be 20 seconds, the full lap time would be an estimated 7.41, whereas the standard R35 clocks it in 7.38...

A decent driver in a decent car will always beat a bike.

The superbike championships is a perfect example, they couldn't touch the times reached by TA competitors, and all those car's are street legal and a lot of them driven every day...

Google all you want, it won't change the facts...

Wizzbang

right...........anyone can go off and quote figures.....so now its my turn

Brands Hatch Indy Circuit (1.2262 miles)


MST offical timings for Time Attack Pro, Superbattle Qualifying

Phil Glew (Zen Performance) - Impreza - 50.596 (avg 67.54mph)


MST offical timings for Virgin Media Cup Qualifying

Robbie Brown - Yamaha R6 (standard bike, standard tyres) - 50.797 (avg 84.94mph)


MST offical timings for Metzler Racetec National Superstock Qualifying

Lee Jackson - Yamaha R1 - 47.809 (avg 90.25mph)


MST offical timings for Bennetts British SuperBike Qualifying

Gregorio Lavilla (Airwaves Ducati) - Ducati 999 - 45.190 (avg 95.48mph)


Interesting reading eh ??

R6 is a standard road bike on Pirelli Diablo Corsa III tyres (not even the stickiest of the current road tyres), the only mods allowed to bikes is suspension set up (not changing components) and end can. So in reality, the kind of bike your likely to come up against on the road.

The superstock is basically a minor modified road 1000cc class bike, and again, on road tyres.

rapidcossie

you said the boost was cutting back but didnt mention a misfire....


if you knew it as misfiring why did you have to take it to a rolling road?

Wizzbang

Of course, when you do google, make sure that your comparing the same version of the circuit...it appears that your cars times were Indy Circuit and the bikes were the GP circuit....see my post above for the correct comparison

jockc79

this is turning into a saga wasnt sure it was misfire as exhaust drowns out engine all i knew was when i start to boot it in a high gear the boast would die

turns out it was caused by faulty coil putting car in limp mood

and not low compression as the idiots at AVA thought

JUst wonder how many people have they taken advantage of with things like that

R4LLY

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dp

R4LLY

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http://www.msttiming.com/bsb/2007/71404yam.pdf

The OFFICIAL results are above for the Virgin media cup Brands hatch.


The lap record for an R6 is 1'33, and Robbie Brown got 1'42...

Pudders69

knew someone would come along they always do

Wizzbang

see my above post............your quoting times for the bikes on the GP circuit you numptie



You also managed to ***** up the figures for Silverstone...the cars went round the National circuit, the bikes went round the INTERnational track.

gallois

i bet the scania, volvo, man, seddon, etc etc drivers pose the same question on the truckers forums, "How can i make my HGV faster than a car?"

R4LLY

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Yup I was, where's the results from the Indy track for the Virgin cup?


Still can't beat a car round Nurburgring.....

Wizzbang

British Superbikes 2007 - Round 13 - Brands Hatch


Who cares about the 'ring anyway



And to try to put this thread pointing in the right direction, cars can be quicker than bikes, but, unless your seriously wealthy, you aint going to find out, and where in the rules does it say that the bike has to be standard......different gearing, power commander, filter and zorst is usually the sort of mods that the modern supersports bike is likely to have and thats likely to make a fair difference (changed front sprocket on my 636cc alone is enough to make it 750 quick, but slightly lacking in top end(speedo still showed 180mph though))

R4LLY

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Just read this:

Fast Feud

Interesting read, the special "Crescent GSX-R 1000 Done the National Silverstonec circuit in 1'05, and the normal GSX-R in 1'09......

The bike circuit is 90% of the car circuit
The top 9 (pro class) in TA beat the "crescent" and the top 11 in the club class beat the standard GSX-R.

Sam Kerr wasn't running huge power in his P1 and got a good time of 1'06....

Google is dangerous...

R4LLY

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Yup your right, bikes are easily tuned, but I still think the right car in the right hands will be faster on a track.
I think with Bikes driver skill counts for around 70%, however with a car it possibly is a little less. You need to be a V.good rider to get quick times on twisty tracks.... Which is why Nurburgring is such a good comparison, it really shows that the pure brutal pace of a superbike is not always enough to make it faster than a supercar around a demanding track.

VTR steve

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Think you should just race, get it all on camera and post the results on here

MrRA

Buy a Buagtti Veyron, only then would you would you really be able to kill the R1 in a straight line.

Wizzbang

Having had recent first hand experience of how a modern scooobie (spec c) will flatter even the most ham fisted drivers, I would say that the cars are doing more than you imagine, which means driver skill goes down.

Had I been on a bike around that track instead of being in the passenger seat (and of course riding in the manner that my driver was) I would have been on the deck countless times.