SwissTony

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sod what the police think, I will flash to warn other motorists of the cash making machine around t'corner if I bloody want to. In fact I might even swerve into the path of the oncoming vehicle to make them pay attention.
if they want to follow we afterwards and reserve my good deed with some Terry's chocolate roses or similar confectionery then that is a bonus

RUDDY

how can it be ilegal to tell a member of the public police are there when the police have signs and a bright white and yellow van! by law we have to know their there!

Snazy

lol another confirmation that they dont take kindly to it

I would not say its the wrong thing to do, but IMO people who are speeding make that decision and run the risks. The ones WAY over the limit deserve to be caught really.
Got an SP30 and an SP50, but dont particularly hate anyone for it. I sped, I got caught...... ho hum. The 2 nicks count for about 0.01% of the time I have probably spent over the limit in my years of driving.

Snazy

Cos there is an official way to notify people of police presence.
The signs are usually just about in range of the nick zone, so even though you know.... its too late.

Flashing your headlights is not actually recognised in the highway code for very much at all, which makes the use of them in such a way "improper" Which is in itself a nick if they so choose.

New_scooby_04

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I stongly oppose flashing people people when behind the wheel
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When driving, you should have both hands on the wheel!!!
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Ladies, knock yourself out! May cause an accident, but it'd be worth it!

lestippp

The issue here isn't just about flashing people to inform them of something, it's the "zero tolerance" attitude of the police to all things related to cars In particular, speeding!

People make mistakes because we are human. Accidents aren't called "delibrates" now are they, I wonder why Few people go out of their way to delibrately cause injury or death when out on the roads and if you really think we will see an end to people being killed on our roads because we all drive within the speed limit your

They should have number plate recognition cameras everywhere for those who aren't insured, taxed, etc but they only have a few.... why?! These type of people generally have a complete disregard for other road users and the law and have poorly serviced cars and don't care if they have an accident, half the time the cars are stolen for goodness sake Most speeding motorists have well serviced, properly insured and taxed cars and respect the law, even if we hate their attitude towards us.

How often do we all watch reports about nasty individuals who go out and beat, mame, kill, steal, rob, vandalise, etc, etc They usually end up with a warning or getting off on a technicality Their victims often end up with a life sentence! No such issues with motorists, cop seen you do it (or makes it up), you've had it, end of, no defense, no warning, just conviction This isn't appropriate in many cases on our roads and they should be more "reasonable" about it, giving warnings and advice on your bad driving They could easily keep records of any warnings given and if you hit 3 minors then perhaps an endorsement would be appropriate

I started another thread recently about being stopped by the police the other day and this guy was actually very good but the issue still remained the same, I accelerated up to the 70 limit, losing his transit van in the process (now there's a shocker) but not recklessly and he still chased and stopped me?! Doing the limit isn't wrong and neither is accelerating. The guy who the police seen cut across me on a circle was left to go on his way, yet he was the one who almost caused an accident and the cop even acknowledged that

As for all you people on here who claim to keep within the limit all the time... aye right!! Either you are telling the truth in which case sell your 300bhp road warrior and buy a 1.4CDTi, saving yourself enough to buy a luxurious second home in the med!! Or your lying! My monies on the latter

New_scooby_04

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And breathe.......



I agree though!

cuj

Interesting debate and all opinions are welcome. This test case may come as a surprise to some of you

lestippp

Yeah.. I know... sorry about the rant. I just get annoyed about this issue some times.

Glad you agree though

By the way I'm not condoning reckless or dangerous actions or behaviour... just safe progress

Snazy

There are LOADS of ANPR systems operating in London for just this reason. However when its done, people just whine that its not real policing, and a complete waste of resources. I would disagree.

I dont think that associating speeding and well looked after cars is entirely accurate. You dont have to service, MOT or insure a car to hit 120mph +

RA Dunk

heres an intresting one blokes car parked in a car park, cops decide to award him with three penalty points and give him a on the spot fine cause his tints were too dark,no warnings or anything the bloke even removed the tints on the spot , even though the car wasnt being driven he still gets it

Window Tints = 3 Penalty Points - Subaru Impreza Drivers Club

alcazar

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It doesn't surprise me in the least that the cops will try to "do" someone for warning of a speed trap.

These tw@s want their cake and eat it. They want to be part of a "safety" camera partnership, using the idea that speed kills and that they are there to bring down speeds, not to earn revenue, yet when Joe Public decides to HELP them bring down speeds, they complain.

But hey, it's not about the revenue, is it?

I don't give a flying fek, I shall continue to warn everyone I see for MILES after a speed trap. The French do it too, and THEY refer to fixed speed cameras as "boites a sous", (money boxes).

Alcazar

lestippp

Snazy that was exactly my point though, someone who doesn't care about insurance, etc, is going to drive an unfit car, at inappropriate speeds, most likely on a regular basis therefore having squillions on ANPR cameras and patrols would not only get dangerous cars off the road but would also reduce accidents caused by speeding So we are in agreement on this.

As to your comment about the ANPR systems in London, well try going North for several hundred miles and tell us how many you come across!!
These systems should be on all main routes and "are" proper policing. There is no excuse for driving around in an uninsured car with no mot and most likely no brakes either

Thiscocks

If someone flashes me I always think they are having ago at me for something ie speeding, or if somethings hanging off my car. Maybe just my self concious mindset . So I never flash eg, if ive just passed a cop with a gun, I think it just creates more confusion.

Someone flashed me on a country road once when I was 'making safe progress', turned out there was a horse round the corner down a fairly long straight which I would have seen in time anyway, all the flashing did was make me confused as to why he did it and take my concentration from the road.

lestippp

As for this, this is classic selective policing. You will see half a dozen cars every day with tinted front windows and you will see police cars drive past them, following someone who is doing 5 mph over the 70 limit Hey who needs to be able to see out your windows anyway As for this guy, you have to feel for him, parked up, and booked when fair policing would have been to give him a week to have the tints removed and present the car to his local station as proof of compliance Even a fine without points would be easier to stomach than this

RA Dunk

back on topic

read on
Director of Public Prosecutions, R (on the application of) v Glendinning [2005] EWHC 2333 (Admin) (13 October 2005)

RA Dunk

and they wonder why so much of the public are turning against them, another instance here as well, with police just looking to meet targets

https://www.scoobynet.com/non-scooby...al-issues.html

noobyscooby

It is very difficult to correctly judge another car's speed so be grateful you've been warned - I bet you go over the limit sometimes or you wouldn't be on this site!

noobyscooby

If they have their way and you cop 6 points for another occasion in the 99.99% of the time when you are speeding [and I speed too] and you lose your job, your income, your house and your family as a hell of a lot of people are finding out on just 3 points a pop, you'll be very glad of any warning! In the good old days, when plod had to follow you for a decent distance, there was always a chance you could slow down fast enough and, at worst, get away with a ticking off - I managed that once from 120mph! The copper had to swerve round me so all I got was a rollocking. Now the whole thing is over in a split second and there is no chance of an old fashioned chat when you could say "sorry" and drive off with a few firm words ringing in your ears.

So I'd be grateful for any warning, whether or not I was speeding.

austinwrx

its why the AA was originally formed- their patrolmen used to hide to warn their members only of police traps.

hence AA badges on the front of yr car- on the old chrome badge bar- so AA knew you were a member.

ps- as for copper doing a u-turn and chasing the flashing fiesta- too right- its a ford- hopefully he was warning him of his bad taste and then crushing the said shed.

Brendan Hughes

So, in short, if you flash people to slow down but they are already slow and they ignore you, no offence of obstruction is committed. If they're speeding and they slow down, perhaps the offence of obstruction is committed.

Simon 69

The crux of this has to be the statements that you make whilst under caution. Without your admission then there is no chance at all of a sucessful prosecution. Obstructing a Police officer is tenuous at best, but if you dont ever concede that you were warning other drivers (to slow down ahead of a speed trap, thereby fustrating the Police officers efforts to apprehend speeding motorists) then the CPS wont waste their time.

Now: if you were gesturing to speeding drivers indicating your wish for them to slow down to a safer speed, then thatd be a different matter...

Simon

lordharding

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Up in sleepy cumbria everyone on the roads flashes to warn each other if they see a mobile cash cow

hux309

Im not against police catching people that's fair play.

But what gets me is this whole perverting the cause of justice bs, it stinks of hypocrisy.

What they call perverting the cause i call looking after public interest.

I suppose they need something to pay for their christmas do.