How much power to really feel fast?
17 December 2007, 08:12 PM
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Certainly there are many bikers who choose to ride slowly on the ring for safety reasons. Likewise there are a large number of idiot bikers who seem to think because their machines are super quick that they are too and act as rolling road blocks in the bends. You would be amazed how many numpties there are (mostly with GB plates) that fit into this category.
I can think of laps I've completed where if it wasn't for my skill and observance I'd likely have ended up hitting one of these losers or at least forced one to take evasive action. As it is I give them a wide berth and since I got the jahreskarte a ruined lap isn't the end of the world.
There are idiots round driving round there on 'litre bikes' who seem to think screaming off on the straights and then driving slower than some coaches I can think of on the bends makes them 'ring meisters'.
As someone who holds both a bike and car licence the amount of mostly middle aged bikers out there with little or no skill or roadcraft is shocking. Maybe I just expect a higher standard from bikers than your average car driving muppet.............
I can think of laps I've completed where if it wasn't for my skill and observance I'd likely have ended up hitting one of these losers or at least forced one to take evasive action. As it is I give them a wide berth and since I got the jahreskarte a ruined lap isn't the end of the world.
There are idiots round driving round there on 'litre bikes' who seem to think screaming off on the straights and then driving slower than some coaches I can think of on the bends makes them 'ring meisters'.
As someone who holds both a bike and car licence the amount of mostly middle aged bikers out there with little or no skill or roadcraft is shocking. Maybe I just expect a higher standard from bikers than your average car driving muppet.............
First you have next to ZERO rear visibility. That means when you ride a bike on the road you cannot see if police cars are behind without occasionally slowing ans taking a decent look, and on a track like the ring you cannot easily tell if someone wants to overtake.
Second you cannot just change your line on a bike when mid corner, if you are going in too hot there is very little you can do except run a bit wide, granted some people will not be using all the bike ability but its a judgment call on what grip is available.
What you need to do is the next time you are at the ring, seek out some guys on litre bikes who have done about 50+ laps, then ask to go on the back. Then you might just see some of the issues bikes have when trying to ride on the same piece of tarmac as car drivers. Until you do this you need to take a large glass of shut the f*uck up.
17 December 2007, 08:41 PM
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Having had several M3's and Scoob in various guises, I would agree to a point, but if you moved that band higher up it would be a different story.
Even a E36 M3 Evo is limited to 155mph. It has 6 gears and will pull 155mph in its power band in 5th. Its all about the right gear in an M3. Drop to 3rd gear at 80mph and you have lift off too 100mph, then ****** 4th to 130mph, then 5th to 155mph and a scoob will be looking in your rear view mirror quite quickly.
Oh and on a BMW 80mph is 80mph etc. Most scoobs and other cars I have owned tend to be recording about 10% lower than actual speed.
Even a E36 M3 Evo is limited to 155mph. It has 6 gears and will pull 155mph in its power band in 5th. Its all about the right gear in an M3. Drop to 3rd gear at 80mph and you have lift off too 100mph, then ****** 4th to 130mph, then 5th to 155mph and a scoob will be looking in your rear view mirror quite quickly.
Oh and on a BMW 80mph is 80mph etc. Most scoobs and other cars I have owned tend to be recording about 10% lower than actual speed.
Scoobys aren't really designed for sustained high speed like BMWs though, so I wouldn't be taking a TMIC Impreza on the autobahn at 150mph for any length of time!!!
BTW spped measured on a Road Angel, so readings accurate.....not that you really need that on the track.... I left it on absent mindedly
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17 December 2007, 08:54 PM
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As I put earlier mate that's the strage thing, because of your body position it doesn't "feel" fast, not like the push in a back you get from a car that's twice as slow!
It's only the fact that the horizon is already in the mirrors that gives you a sensation of speed!
It's only the fact that the horizon is already in the mirrors that gives you a sensation of speed!
17 December 2007, 10:51 PM
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With the greatest respect your are generalising way too much and your are totally ignorant about ridding a bike.
First you have next to ZERO rear visibility. That means when you ride a bike on the road you cannot see if police cars are behind without occasionally slowing ans taking a decent look, and on a track like the ring you cannot easily tell if someone wants to overtake.
Second you cannot just change your line on a bike when mid corner, if you are going in too hot there is very little you can do except run a bit wide, granted some people will not be using all the bike ability but its a judgment call on what grip is available.
What you need to do is the next time you are at the ring, seek out some guys on litre bikes who have done about 50+ laps, then ask to go on the back. Then you might just see some of the issues bikes have when trying to ride on the same piece of tarmac as car drivers. Until you do this you need to take a large glass of shut the f*uck up.
First you have next to ZERO rear visibility. That means when you ride a bike on the road you cannot see if police cars are behind without occasionally slowing ans taking a decent look, and on a track like the ring you cannot easily tell if someone wants to overtake.
Second you cannot just change your line on a bike when mid corner, if you are going in too hot there is very little you can do except run a bit wide, granted some people will not be using all the bike ability but its a judgment call on what grip is available.
What you need to do is the next time you are at the ring, seek out some guys on litre bikes who have done about 50+ laps, then ask to go on the back. Then you might just see some of the issues bikes have when trying to ride on the same piece of tarmac as car drivers. Until you do this you need to take a large glass of shut the f*uck up.
As for talking to the fast and competent riders I have no problems whatsoever with them and have often chatted about the events of the day over a weisse beer or two.
Perhaps you're the one who needs a large glass of STFU?
18 December 2007, 09:17 PM
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Strange when I rode my bike round there I had no problem using my mirrors and keeping a tight line to allow faster traffic to overtake when I noticed it. Wouldn't dream of going pillion on the 'ring either, it's madness IMO.
As for talking to the fast and competent riders I have no problems whatsoever with them and have often chatted about the events of the day over a weisse beer or two.
Perhaps you're the one who needs a large glass of STFU?
As for talking to the fast and competent riders I have no problems whatsoever with them and have often chatted about the events of the day over a weisse beer or two.
Perhaps you're the one who needs a large glass of STFU?
Dont take it the wrong way, i know there will be some duffers on the track but at the end of the day the have paid there money the same as everyone else and have as much right to be there, after all its only a toll road.
What i hate are people timing themselve on trake days, pisses me off and isa n accident waiting to happen trying to breack records, i would be more worried about people trying to break 9 mins at the ring than people doing 11 min laps.
Alll in the best possible taste.
19 December 2007, 07:52 AM
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Of course the view to the rear is better in a car, however that doesn't excuse the type of biker one commonly finds on the 'ring (often with British plates) who knows damn well he's holding you up, operates as a rolling road block over a number of kilometres and in one case actually made a feint towards me putting himself in extreme danger.
I agree they have every right to be there but I also believe they should follow the rules, indicate right, move right and allow faster traffic to overtake. Rather than the current, 'take wild line through corner, use power to blast down short straight, brake super early because I can't ride properly and then use blocking line to screw up the flow of the guy who could lap a minute quicker than me in his 2.0ltr hire car'.
People timing themselves are just setting themselves up for trouble IMO but it doesn't stop them doing it. Have to admit I used to do it all the time but these days I can tell if I've had a good lap or not by how it felt. That said I have been known to see what sort of time a new car puts in by casually glancing at my wristwatch- hardly a misdemeanour.
Regarding taking a bike round, I wouldn't dream of doing a public day any more, 5 laps of that was enough for me.
I agree they have every right to be there but I also believe they should follow the rules, indicate right, move right and allow faster traffic to overtake. Rather than the current, 'take wild line through corner, use power to blast down short straight, brake super early because I can't ride properly and then use blocking line to screw up the flow of the guy who could lap a minute quicker than me in his 2.0ltr hire car'.
People timing themselves are just setting themselves up for trouble IMO but it doesn't stop them doing it. Have to admit I used to do it all the time but these days I can tell if I've had a good lap or not by how it felt. That said I have been known to see what sort of time a new car puts in by casually glancing at my wristwatch- hardly a misdemeanour.
Regarding taking a bike round, I wouldn't dream of doing a public day any more, 5 laps of that was enough for me.
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