dnc

Excuse my ignorance on the subject (and I do not know the details), but if you are now expected to do an extra 36 days work per year..... ......then sorry, but it seems you have been having a fairly major holiday from work at Taxpayer's expense up until now. Apologies of course if you are now no longer entitled to any holiday following this re-organisation. 36 days dwarfs my (and I suspect most others') total holiday entitlement. DNC

firesorter

2 months ago a farmer threw a garden fork at me while riding my road legal dirtbike on an unclassified road (UCR) this has public access rights and vehicular rights, it missed my knee by 2 inches and punctured my fuel tank, when i stopped and returned to give him his fork back he produced an unlicensed loaded shotgun, the police operator was fantastic, the armed units that arrived were fantastic, after he was swiftly dis armed & arrested the police officers were very supportive, even helped me plug my holed fuel tank, made sure it was safe so i could go home, the officer at the station was great, made me and my mates tea before taking statements having finished his shift 2 hours previous. when i got home there was already an e mail detailing the process that would now happen, offering me and my mates support, i have been kept informed of any developments. i cannot fault the service i got.

vindaloo

As an ex-Cicil Servant I have sympathy with anyone caught up in the central bargaining bollox.

The main PITA seems to be "lying". OR at least, dimming the lights when the Union side were reading the bit about when the pay rise was to be implemented.

I don't think that the Police have to strike. They could work-to-rule or refuse overtime. Use European Working hours legislation, health and safety....

Though the idea of a "Downing Street" picket is amusing.

J.

ScoTTyB

First, I feel you need to look inward as to why you've been a victim so many times. Perhaps you are just not liked in your community? No police can stop you being an arsehole.

OllyK

ScoTTyB

I was a joke. Perhaps that's why people don't like you. Worth exploring surely

kingofturds

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Instead of striking they should just refuse labour ministers any police protection. I would love to see how long these pompus ***** would survie in the real world without 24 hour protection.

I would love to see Gordon browns driver take a wrong turn into some run down ghetto subarb without police protection

alcazar

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Oh yes..............., PLEASE can the lying scruffy Scots pension thief be brought up here. I'll even pay his petrol.

Alcazar

martinbrown

The answer to your question is by not back dating the pay rise for the english / welsh bobbies the government saves in the region of 32 million quid. Money grabbing bar stewards

Luminous

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May I suggest you adopt a policy of no paperwork days Do the job you are charged with, stop the crimes as normal. Just refuse to fill in any of those silly forms that take up your time.

Not only will you probably have a lot more job satisfaction, you will also be out and about more. You'd shame the government. Not being tied down with the paperwork would probably mean you get better clear up rates on those days. That would keep the public onside, and show the government up for being the fools they are

kingofturds

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That should just about cover next years 18% salary increases for mp's

martinbrown

Yeah, that about sums it up. Lets give the police a pay cut because they can't do anything about it. And while we're at it we might as well give them less pension.

Hurrah for MP's

Brit_in_Japan

The police and the government were in an arbitration process to decide pay. Arbitration means that both parties agree to be bound by the result. The result was a pay increase of x%, backdated to September. The government then decides it won't implement the backdated part! That is just plain wrong, a very shoddy way to behave.

billythekid

TBH I think the pay rise problem is going to be seen as very minor problem once the govt go after their real target which is the pension scheme..

The problem with the pay rise is that a 30 year agreement has been broken by one silly person who thought no one would notice.

It wont come to a strike, never get close, but as an overall service it highlights just how close to breaking point most officers are these days when they have to make threats of strike over a fairly small sum of money.

Unless you are a REMF or a "specialist" officer then its not worth even being in the force, sorry service, any more. All the new officers want is to be an Inspector within 10 years, or get on firearms, or dogs, or traffic. They dont give a toss about real police work, and the 20 - 30% that do get ragged on response or NPT.

Jobs fcuked.

PG

That's right. An independent, goverment backed arbitration that they are more than willing to renege on! Disgusting but given past performance, in no way surprising!
The Scottish issue means that instead of the SNP sticking to their policy to put 1000 more cops on the street we only get 500.
What worries me is what will happen when the rest of the public sector go to the arbitratiors and get shafted in the same way. The goal posts are never firmly in the ground with this gov!

jiffthejiffmanjaffa

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So whose voting Labour in the next elections?

alcazar

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But par for the course for these shameful barstewards, who think they can get away with anything.

Get them voted out next election

Alcazar

spireite

excuse my ignorance scumbags (imho).But has your increase in pay over the last 10 years been over the inflation rate .Oh and although your only going by government guidelines to pursue motorists with speeding fines ,use of mobile phones etc,etc if you didnt look so happy at the side of the road , we wouldnt have the grin on our faces now . Do you remember the miners protesting ,well go and starve you scum

jiffthejiffmanjaffa

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Actually the increase in pay has been either below or on par with inflation.

kingofturds

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Lol you should know offical inflation bears no regard in reality, Rent has nearly doubled in the last 7 years, yet I have only had one 2.9& pay rise in that time . Add to that council tax/fuel prices/ food prices and it is higher than Zimbabwe

Felix.

What they can do is a 'work to rule' or turn in the specialist tickets. That is to say for example, firearms officers can refuse to carry a firearm. Therefore if a government minister wants to get from A to B, they will either have to walk unprotected or get the bus.

Felix.

A letter in our local paper



Dear Home Secretary

I have served with Cleveland Police for over 26 years.
It has been a roller coaster ride. I have been assaulted, threatened and been attacked both on and off duty.

I have saved lives, risked my own and gone to the aid of many people.
I have seen sights that a human should not endure. I’ve put out fires, faced bricks bottles, petrol bombs, knives and guns.

I’ve nursed the dying, comforted the bereaved and arrested killers. I’ve protected the weak, the vulnerable, the old and the children.

I have saved the abused and caught the abusers. I have put in gaol, killers, rapists, robbers, burglars, sex offenders and every type of criminal you can imagine.

My phone rings day and night I always answer it, I am always there for no extra charge.

I am here for what no one else can sort out.
I am here for the terrible things in life, murder, death, terrorism, violence and despair.

I have spent my entire adult life picking up the pieces of everybody else’s problems.

I know that many bad people may hate me and to a few I am a hero, but to the Home Secretary I am faceless, taken for granted and unimportant.


I like every other officer have no choice but to take the slap in the face that Jacqui Smith has given me over my pay rise.

I see her actions as the worst possible and that is ‘unjust’ and that is against everything I stand for because at the end of the day I stand for justice.

I will never strike, how could I go against a life-time of service and betray the people I serve, my doctrine of service makes me and my colleagues and easy target.

Bow your head in shame Home Secretary. The police service will not forgive you.

Chris Sadler
Detective Inspector
Middlesbrough CID

fatherpierre

At least you admit you're ignorant.

Stupid, too, it would seem.

simonbb1328

36 days is not our holiday, we do not get weekends off like in other jobs, we work different shifts with a couple of days off in between. These shifts are 10-12 hours, however I personally cannot remember the last time I actually finished on time, usually 1-3 hours ectra on top. I cannot remember the last time I even got a meal break at work.
Now if I worked in anouther job which lets say was a regular 9-5 I would more than likely get a sunday off each week which would make 51-52? days off a year. then whatever holiday allowance on top.
The reason we would be working 36 days extra is that they are wanting to change our shifts to 8 hrs, which personally I dont think is enough time, especially if we have a major inident or make an arrest for a serious offence so in reality we would still be workin 10-12 hours anyway

Leslie

I find it disappointing that the spineless interviewers of the politicians who are trying to justify it by saying that they cannot afford ro encourage inflation, have not got the guts to ask the politicians what was the amount of the pay rise and expenses that they voted themselves last time!

How they have the barefaced cheek to agree an amount in arbitration and then to renege on it by not backdating the full amount to when it should have started is beyond belief.

Les

simonbb1328

exactly Les.
Dont quote me on this but I heard that politicians got 18% but have not seen any written facts.

kingofturds

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Remember last christmas

BBC NEWS | Politics | Anger at MPs' '66% pay rise call'


These greedy bastids really do beggars belief poor hard done by mp's wanted a 66% pay rise while these greedy cops want their 0.6% they re owed.

mp's pay rise this year was 22%

bob r

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lol at the ignorant (probably scumbags themselves) posters on here that feel that the police do nothing and think they are getting their own back by adding arsey posts on here.(probably in retaliation for that speeding ticket they once had or that ban for drink driving, I mean why should innocent motorists be targeted, eh!)

The police should not strike, or shouldn't be ever put in this position.
The answer is easy..........Just attend emergencies and everything else can wait until the Government see sense.

spireite

They get paid for what they do .Its just a case of greed and i want more more more.If they dont like the pay get another job ,security guard , bouncer etc etc .

billythekid

Er, I think some people are confused.

Its not the PAY thats the problem, its the fact that the govt have ignored the CAC decision that the pay rise should be back dated.

IMHO this is half the problem with this country, the govt have turned the police into a hated organisation and as such everytime the police is mentioned then everyone gets on their high horse. IMHO this has only really happened in the last 10 years or so. I think a lot of it is to do with the govt policy on improving policing on "soft" tragets like speeding and the like. I also think the press have to carry a lot of the blame.

A good example is the "speeding police" that we hear about every few months. Everyone is outraged and there are always threads on here about it. But, folks, you want to have seen the stuff that went on back in the day - but you did not know about it so you carried on happy as larry. Today the "rules" are followed a lot more closely which makes things worse when someone gets caught out. I.e govt tell police to crack down on speeding public, but then some idiot gets done for 90 in a 60 who happens to be the ACPO spokesman for speeding.... you just cant make this **** up eh.