Odds on

You've made a point about the DCCD making a Type R better than the P1. So when, in normal usage, do you actually use it?

Or don't you actually use it? That would explain the personal insults.

top_fuel

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We all know that the japs keep the best to themselves!!

So the Type-R is obviously the better choice...

T-gro

You use it everytime the wheels turn, or don't you even understand what it is?

You might choose to adjust it for several reasons. Maybe you prefer the balance at a certain setting, or maybe you have concerns that traction might be a problem in the conditions. Maybe you would like more stability, or less stability and better turn in.

You don't have to adjust it everyday to "make the most of it", it will give benefits wherever you decide to leave it.

Az Sti Type R

Thank you T-gro, couldn't of put it better myself.

Odds on obviously thinks that Subaru made the DCCD feature only ever to be used on a track.

Gear Head

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Only when really 'gunning' it! You WILL NOT notice dccd if you are just popping to the shops, which is what the guy was getting at.

Az Sti Type R

I obviously know that, and I wouldn't use it or expect to notice any difference if I did try it just to poodle around.

Admittably, I still new to the DCCD, which is why I'm experimenting. I do plan on going to the ring this year so thats when I'll see the true benefits, but in the mean time I'm just having a little play about with it. (and safely before anyone says anything.)

Dream Weaver

Very surprisingly, it's the other way round for me - circa £600 FC for the Type R and £900 FC for the P1.

I do like the looks of the P1 myself though

EddScott

I got some quotes from Tesco for standard Type R against standard Type RA.

They want a tracker for the Type R but a normal alarm will do for the RA. Bit odd that one. I think trackers are a bit of a con, especially for a car over 10 years old.

Both were £690 FC.

Gear Head

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That's probably due to value though?

T-gro

You will if it's greasy, icy or snowy.

You certainly will if it's greasy, snowy, icy and the diff's fully open!!!

Likewise, on the motorway, at a steady speed, setting the diff up a notch can give you noticeably increased stability.

So, no, I would totally disagree with you. In normal usage (which is what he said) YOU CAN notice the diff working, if you know what the signs of different diff behaviour are at least. You won't always be aware, but the fact that you can choose the locking rate means you can optimise the transmission for a variety of conditions and occasions.

Subcat001

To be fair if you are just popping to the shops and back, then I don't think a P1 or Type R would be the right car for you.

salsa-king

hmmmmm, front bumper looks good, but its hat stumpy spoiler that doesn't float my boat

scooby-tc

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Try them both is your best bet.Everyone on here will have their own biased opinion

Dream Weaver

Nope, everything set the same, value, where its parked etc just changing from Type R to P1 shows the difference. Focus ST is only £450 FC so even better

EddScott

When you first get any scoob, you'd use it to take you to the toilet if it was far enough!

After seeing those WRC Type Rs I don't think I want anything else. I've looked at RAs but I really want a 2 door. I want the blue seats and the roof vent and the exclusivity of the 2 door shell. I sold a scoob once and I don't intend to make the same mistake twice.

I'm going to wait until one of these WRCs turns up for sale. The lad earlier said his was for sale but hasn't come back to my PM.

p1dazza

Surely it is down to personal preference and it is not worth getting shirty about. We don't all have to like or want the same things.
At present I am enjoying my P1 and for the occassioal use I give it, I find it ideal.
I have had severa Subarus, WRX and STis and at present the P1 is probably at the bottom of the power spectrum but it is nice to drive on a long journey.
Regards electronic centre diffs, the only time I remember it being essential on the Type R was when we parked in a grass field at a race circuit and the heavens opened. Fully locked we drove out while others were pushed or pulled by the tractor.

Fat Boy

I'm all confused as I have a P1 with the better looks, longer ratios, and uk roads matched prodrive suspension, together with a dccd box, quick rack and abs. Works for me

EddScott

How come - thats not off the shelf?

I understand the white P1 has a DCCD box but its de-activated. Least thats what the current owner said.

jameswrx

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I'd go for the Type-R out of the two.

I've not driven a P1, but as they are more 'normal' sti v5 I'd say I've driven something close (as I've driven sti's)

Driven a couple of type-r's and normal sti's back to back and the type R feels faster (more spritely acceleration) tighter, and the DCCD is smart. Drives pretty much RWD in full back setting, which is a good laugh. Like others have said, wind it forward for more front drive and it becomes safer.

AT the end of the day the type-r and p1 are very similar but the type r has some better features, so if it's a choice then why go for the technically lower spec car?

People seem to prefer the looks of the P1 so.. get a sonic blue Type R version 5 or 6 and then stick a P1 front spoiler and spots on it (as that's the best bit of the p1)

Sorted! best of both worlds.

Gear Head

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What he said. Type R all the way. A P1 just doesn't make economical sense.

scoobynutta555

The P1 isn't technically lower spec though, they have different features. If you'd have owned a P1 you'd be in a better position to appraise it. Sadly most on here just regurgitate guff they've read from someone equally ignorant of the true differences between the cars.

Fat Boy

Nope - it's all been fitted over last few months. Dccd is relatively easy to fit to a P1 as it has 1:1 transfer gears and 4.44 diffs front and rear. Zen fitted for me. Dccd is fun to play with - definitely improves turn in over 50/50 standard P1 arrangement, quick rack is good too. I run fully open in the dry and two greens/ edge of orange in wet/greasy conditions, but you can adjust it on the move so for instance open it for turn in, and then gradually turn up the lock on exit to bring the tail back in. Lots of fun learning so far

If the dccd is fitted without the diff ecu and controller , or unpowered for whatever reason , then it reverts to fully open i.e. rear biased so i'm guessing that's the white P1 is running like.

Just waiting for remap of the new engine too that'll make the longer ratios feel like a close ratio box too

banny sti

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Where is the front diff located?

Banny

Fat Boy

In the main gearbox

jameswrx

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Yes they have different features.. the Type R just has the best of them

I've not owned a P1 so you're right I don't have the defensive praise for them. I have spent a lot of time around one though as my boss had one and I (being a petrol head) was more than happy to have a good look round it when he offered. I'm by no means slating the P1, it's a great car but out of the 2 I can't see why it's the better buy? Please feel free to enlighten me though as obviously I know **** all not owning a P1..

One thing I would say to the original poster though is.. if you buy a type r get to know the dccd and don't just drive it like any other Impreza turbo. They are actually very tail happy in wet/greasy conditions with the dccd wheel set right back. I've had normal STI and Type R at the same time and sometimes you can almost forget and pull out a junction in the wet a bit spritely in the type r (thinking normal impreza 4x4 thoughts) and find yourself remembering what car you're in as the back is heading round

scoobynutta555

An average Impreza driver can go quicker and safer in a P1 than a typeR. The P1 felt more stable with the suspension feeling better, had 17" wheels, taller ratios (I regularly saw at least an extra 50mpg per tank, once even 360 miles to a tank), ABS. The differences and toys the typeR have are more suited to track driving, and if anyone tells me the waterspray or rear brakes make much of a difference for road driving I'm afraid I'll laugh at them. The same with dccd and quickrack. If you're after a car that you won't do much mileage in and to hoon around the track then typeR all the way, for roads and mileage P1 all the way, no question.

jameswrx

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I agree with what you say on them being more user friendly. Me personally I'd go for the Type R purely because I'd rather have the more exciting drive!

Only way I guess the guy can decide is drive both and work out what he wants to do with them.

Both have their good and bad points and it depends on the individual at the end of the day. You prefer the P1 because it's more user friendly and safer, I prefer the Type R because it's the opposite. We're all different and the only person that can decide is him.