View Poll Results: Would you give your child the MMR injection?
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I was in the same boat a few years ago, did some research and ended up with 3 options:
Have the MMR jab done. Risks are low compared to the benefits.
Have 6 separate jabs which cannot be done all at the same time thus the delay between injections leaves them open to the risks. Its widely accepted it is not as effective as MMR so there is still a small risk of contracting MMR, plus there are also side effects for some of the separate jabs. You'll also have to get this done privately which can be expensive.
Not have it done, I'm sure you are aware of the risks of this.
My daughters have had the MMR jabs.
Have the MMR jab done. Risks are low compared to the benefits.
Have 6 separate jabs which cannot be done all at the same time thus the delay between injections leaves them open to the risks. Its widely accepted it is not as effective as MMR so there is still a small risk of contracting MMR, plus there are also side effects for some of the separate jabs. You'll also have to get this done privately which can be expensive.
Not have it done, I'm sure you are aware of the risks of this.
My daughters have had the MMR jabs.
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Mumps - risk of deafness, sterility and birth defects
Rubella less likelyhood of dangerous complications, but ear inflamation, pneumonia and encephalitis are all possibilities
Seeing as the "possible" side effects from credible sources rather than anti-vac crackpots are minor and incredibly slim, compared to the "possible" complications from the diseases which are relatively high and can lead to death, I think it's a bit of a no brainer. Not vaccinating your kids puts you in the same category as those that won't allow their kids to have blood transfusions in my book. The minimal risks of not doing it are outweighed by orders of magnitude by the benefits.
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Hey! It was the first site I came on and couldn't be ar5ed to go further for the benefit of the SN masseeeve! The graphs, however, I have seen in many other places (not just online) and show quite clearly how the drug companies try to have us believe that vaccines are the reason things like measles are no longer the killers they once were when, in fact, it is better hygiene/sanitation/better food etc that are the main reasons.
Dave
PS: the polio thing is also something I have seen in other places. Dig into it further ....
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PS: the polio thing is also something I have seen in other places. Dig into it further ....
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The main reason that there are more kids with Autism now is not due to them having an MMR jab, or any other environmental reason, it's because the education and health professionals are much better at diagnosing it and responding to the needs of that child. My wife is a specialist teacher with post graduate qualifications in Autism and learning difficulties and we did not hesitate to get our son vaccinated and we will treat our daughter in the same way.
The tabloid hysteria over the alleged link between MMR and autism was criminal and symptomatic of the trash science that seems to be popular amongst the population at the momment.
Steve
The tabloid hysteria over the alleged link between MMR and autism was criminal and symptomatic of the trash science that seems to be popular amongst the population at the momment.
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The main reason that there are more kids with Autism now is not due to them having an MMR jab, or any other environmental reason, it's because the education and health professionals are much better at diagnosing it and responding to the needs of that child. My wife is a specialist teacher with post graduate qualifications in Autism and learning difficulties and we did not hesitate to get our son vaccinated and we will treat our daughter in the same way.
The tabloid hysteria over the alleged link between MMR and autism was criminal and symptomatic of the trash science that seems to be popular amongst the population at the momment.
Steve
The tabloid hysteria over the alleged link between MMR and autism was criminal and symptomatic of the trash science that seems to be popular amongst the population at the momment.
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My 4 OLDER kids have had it, and are all fine. My youngest will be due in the next few months and I won't even batter an eyelid about it.
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Hey! It was the first site I came on and couldn't be ar5ed to go further for the benefit of the SN masseeeve! The graphs, however, I have seen in many other places (not just online) and show quite clearly how the drug companies try to have us believe that vaccines are the reason things like measles are no longer the killers they once were when, in fact, it is better hygiene/sanitation/better food etc that are the main reasons.
Dave
PS: the polio thing is also something I have seen in other places. Dig into it further ....
Dave
PS: the polio thing is also something I have seen in other places. Dig into it further ....
That is a different issue to immunisation.
My son had the MMR about 2 weeks ago. The issue for us was not whether to immunise or not but whether to go for the combined vaccine or pay for the seperate jabs.
I was under pressure from the missus (non medic) to go for the seperate jabs. I polled about 10 of my medic colleagues and they all went for the MMR, and I did aswell.
Its also worth noting that the Dr who published one of the original articles claiming a link between autism and MMR is now in front of the GMC for alleged poor/false research techniques.
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As I've said, I did my research at the time and we both decided against. I'm not going to do it again just for the sake of SNs who can't be ar5ed to do it them selves.
Oh and as for the 'million deaths a year' from measles, where are these deaths? You'll find they're in places like sub-Sahran Africa where sanitation and food/water are in short supply. From the NHS article mentioned: "However, in recent years, the number of cases of measles has been increasing. For example, there were 739 cases in 2006, compared with 70 cases during 2001". I'm assuming this is the UK as a whole but it's not clear from the article. So, 739 cases of measles in a year. 350 people per day killed on the roads ...... You'll notice that any side-effects of vaccinations are played down or even not reported.
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be very very careful, whilst giving the jab when their young, causes no problems, when they hit 13, it causes major changes, and turns them into lethargic grunting beasts.... and takes years to cure
Seriously, we gave my now 15 year old the combined, and my now 5 year old the combined jab, and there fine.
I worked with a guy who went down the single jab route for his daughter....
it cost him over £250 !!!
Mart
Seriously, we gave my now 15 year old the combined, and my now 5 year old the combined jab, and there fine.
I worked with a guy who went down the single jab route for his daughter....
it cost him over £250 !!!
Mart
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And if you read my first post I said I wasn't concerned about the autism stuff. Just the side effects from vaccinations. And I see Ollyk is quoting the NHS - not exactly unbiased are they?
As I've said, I did my research at the time and we both decided against. I'm not going to do it again just for the sake of SNs who can't be ar5ed to do it them selves.
Oh and as for the 'million deaths a year' from measles, where are these deaths? You'll find they're in places like sub-Sahran Africa where sanitation and food/water are in short supply. From the NHS article mentioned: "However, in recent years, the number of cases of measles has been increasing. For example, there were 739 cases in 2006, compared with 70 cases during 2001". I'm assuming this is the UK as a whole but it's not clear from the article. So, 739 cases of measles in a year. 350 people per day killed on the roads ...... You'll notice that any side-effects of vaccinations are played down or even not reported.
Dave
As I've said, I did my research at the time and we both decided against. I'm not going to do it again just for the sake of SNs who can't be ar5ed to do it them selves.
Oh and as for the 'million deaths a year' from measles, where are these deaths? You'll find they're in places like sub-Sahran Africa where sanitation and food/water are in short supply. From the NHS article mentioned: "However, in recent years, the number of cases of measles has been increasing. For example, there were 739 cases in 2006, compared with 70 cases during 2001". I'm assuming this is the UK as a whole but it's not clear from the article. So, 739 cases of measles in a year. 350 people per day killed on the roads ...... You'll notice that any side-effects of vaccinations are played down or even not reported.
Dave
people do and still do die in the uk from these so called childrens diseases.
I had the misfortune to contract german measles when i was 18,
i itched for weeks
Mart
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Well (sorry to unusually disagree with you Mart360) - i have had Measles, Mumps, Rubella and Chicken Pox (and the latter did itch) but i am still here to tell the tale. Actually, i had Measles and Rubella simultaneously, which must increase the risk.
To parents asking - do what you feel to be right, accept the consequences if your decision was wrong, but don't blindly follow the propaganda spouted by the government, who appear to be intentionally withholding access to courses of single vaccines - it stinks of a hidden (cross my palm with silver/non-exec board member in the future) agenda!
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To parents asking - do what you feel to be right, accept the consequences if your decision was wrong, but don't blindly follow the propaganda spouted by the government, who appear to be intentionally withholding access to courses of single vaccines - it stinks of a hidden (cross my palm with silver/non-exec board member in the future) agenda!
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Well (sorry to unusually disagree with you Mart360) - i have had Measles, Mumps, Rubella and Chicken Pox (and the latter did itch) but i am still here to tell the tale. Actually, i had Measles and Rubella simultaneously, which must increase the risk.
To parents asking - do what you feel to be right, accept the consequences if your decision was wrong, but don't blindly follow the propaganda spouted by the government, who appear to be intentionally withholding access to courses of single vaccines - it stinks of a hidden (cross my palm with silver/non-exec board member in the future) agenda!
mb
To parents asking - do what you feel to be right, accept the consequences if your decision was wrong, but don't blindly follow the propaganda spouted by the government, who appear to be intentionally withholding access to courses of single vaccines - it stinks of a hidden (cross my palm with silver/non-exec board member in the future) agenda!
mb
I worked with a guy who got CP in his twenty's he was in hospital at one point, he was so bad!
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Mumps, not sure, CP yes had them, shingles, vile horrid affliction, (mind you 6 weeks of school was brill ) the GM was over within a week, I lost my sense of taste, (i actually stopped smoking too) but developed huge itching sessions. Dont know why ..
I worked with a guy who got CP in his twenty's he was in hospital at one point, he was so bad!
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I worked with a guy who got CP in his twenty's he was in hospital at one point, he was so bad!
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that is actually quite interesting!
All of my infections were at the sub-teens age, so, for example, mumps didn't eat my nads for breakfast. It sounds like you had Rubella in your teens (or you were a very early smoker ) and your colleague was quite late in catching the Pox.
Maybe we are experiencing a side effect of enforced (and possible inappropriate) inoculation? Natural resistance is being replaced by artificial methods (in varying degrees) which is actually compounding future problems.
...i bet that "the government" haven't even thought about any of this!!!
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I have 3 children, 2 girls and a boy. My eldest ws 4 today - and to date none of my children have had the MMR! I'm finding it to be SO hard debating whether or not to have it done. I have a many friends and some have had it done and other haven't. the ones who have, have found that there kids are fine - except for one! My friends children (1 boy, 1 girl) her daughter was fine - but her boy now has aspergers syndrome. Now I don't know much about it - I'm not a medical type of person - however, she insists that after extensive research she feels that the MMR jab effects boys differently and does sincerely blame the MMR for her boys condition!
I think the problem mainly is that autism begins to come out about 18 months which i think is the time when you are supposed to have the jab?
I don't know - I'm still in turmoil with the decision myself. I know the risks - its weighing up which risk is higher?
I couldn't bear the guilt - either way!
I think the problem mainly is that autism begins to come out about 18 months which i think is the time when you are supposed to have the jab?
I don't know - I'm still in turmoil with the decision myself. I know the risks - its weighing up which risk is higher?
I couldn't bear the guilt - either way!
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I have 3 children, 2 girls and a boy. My eldest ws 4 today - and to date none of my children have had the MMR! I'm finding it to be SO hard debating whether or not to have it done. I have a many friends and some have had it done and other haven't. the ones who have, have found that there kids are fine - except for one! My friends children (1 boy, 1 girl) her daughter was fine - but her boy now has aspergers syndrome. Now I don't know much about it - I'm not a medical type of person - however, she insists that after extensive research she feels that the MMR jab effects boys differently and does sincerely blame the MMR for her boys condition!
I think the problem mainly is that autism begins to come out about 18 months which i think is the time when you are supposed to have the jab?
I don't know - I'm still in turmoil with the decision myself. I know the risks - its weighing up which risk is higher?
I couldn't bear the guilt - either way!
I think the problem mainly is that autism begins to come out about 18 months which i think is the time when you are supposed to have the jab?
I don't know - I'm still in turmoil with the decision myself. I know the risks - its weighing up which risk is higher?
I couldn't bear the guilt - either way!
I did all my own amateur (internet BS busting) research, but ended up as confused. I have friends in the medical profession and coupled with our GP that I trust's advice it became clear that having the jabs was probably best. Not a nice call, but of course like 99%+ that have had the jabs (inc me and the missus!) the kids are fine...
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Mart,
that is actually quite interesting!
All of my infections were at the sub-teens age, so, for example, mumps didn't eat my nads for breakfast. It sounds like you had Rubella in your teens (or you were a very early smoker ) and your colleague was quite late in catching the Pox.
Maybe we are experiencing a side effect of enforced (and possible inappropriate) inoculation? Natural resistance is being replaced by artificial methods (in varying degrees) which is actually compounding future problems.
...i bet that "the government" haven't even thought about any of this!!!
mb
that is actually quite interesting!
All of my infections were at the sub-teens age, so, for example, mumps didn't eat my nads for breakfast. It sounds like you had Rubella in your teens (or you were a very early smoker ) and your colleague was quite late in catching the Pox.
Maybe we are experiencing a side effect of enforced (and possible inappropriate) inoculation? Natural resistance is being replaced by artificial methods (in varying degrees) which is actually compounding future problems.
...i bet that "the government" haven't even thought about any of this!!!
mb
Mart
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A couple of things to bear in mind:
1) The rise in autism over the last thirty years has been pretty linear. It started about ten years before MMR was available.
2) The rate of increase in autism diagnosis has stayed unchanged, even though the rate of take-up of MMR has dropped.
3) A similar rise has been seen in countries which don't use MMR.
To the best of my knowledge only one study in this country showed a link - the famous one which started this nonsense. It was deeply flawed, involved only about twelve children, no controls, and was written by a ) a man who was in the pay of a company who wanted to market the single vaccines in the UK, and b) a man who has now said he no longer believes the stuff he wrote (and no, he doesn't work for the government). As someone else has said, I seem to remember that there was an even more flawed paper from Japan. But hundreds of papers from many other countries has failed to show a link.
The trouble is, science cannot disprove things, only prove them. So at best all that can be said is: no link has been found. In tens of thousands of cases studied. The rise in autism in the UK is almost certainly down to the doctors being more willing to diagnose it by name: for a long time UK doctors hated "labelling" children.
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1) The rise in autism over the last thirty years has been pretty linear. It started about ten years before MMR was available.
2) The rate of increase in autism diagnosis has stayed unchanged, even though the rate of take-up of MMR has dropped.
3) A similar rise has been seen in countries which don't use MMR.
To the best of my knowledge only one study in this country showed a link - the famous one which started this nonsense. It was deeply flawed, involved only about twelve children, no controls, and was written by a ) a man who was in the pay of a company who wanted to market the single vaccines in the UK, and b) a man who has now said he no longer believes the stuff he wrote (and no, he doesn't work for the government). As someone else has said, I seem to remember that there was an even more flawed paper from Japan. But hundreds of papers from many other countries has failed to show a link.
The trouble is, science cannot disprove things, only prove them. So at best all that can be said is: no link has been found. In tens of thousands of cases studied. The rise in autism in the UK is almost certainly down to the doctors being more willing to diagnose it by name: for a long time UK doctors hated "labelling" children.
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IIRC, the Lancet actually published a retraction over the claims a few years ago. The doctor who made them has been ostracised form the medical community. It appears he pretty much made it up.
Your kids are in far more danger from not having than having it.
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Your kids are in far more danger from not having than having it.
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As I mentioned above that Dr is actually facing a GMC trial
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I presume that you mean Dr Andrew Wakefield, who IMHO has more integrity in his little finger than the whole of the current government and their quango hangers-on put together.
For the authorities to go into overdrive to "convince" the population that MMR is "safe" (rather than offer a single-jab option, even for a premium cost, for those who wish to choose) stinks of sinister goings-on
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For the authorities to go into overdrive to "convince" the population that MMR is "safe" (rather than offer a single-jab option, even for a premium cost, for those who wish to choose) stinks of sinister goings-on
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I have 3 children, 2 girls and a boy. My eldest ws 4 today - and to date none of my children have had the MMR! I'm finding it to be SO hard debating whether or not to have it done. I have a many friends and some have had it done and other haven't. the ones who have, have found that there kids are fine - except for one! My friends children (1 boy, 1 girl) her daughter was fine - but her boy now has aspergers syndrome. Now I don't know much about it - I'm not a medical type of person - however, she insists that after extensive research she feels that the MMR jab effects boys differently and does sincerely blame the MMR for her boys condition!
I think the problem mainly is that autism begins to come out about 18 months which i think is the time when you are supposed to have the jab?
I don't know - I'm still in turmoil with the decision myself. I know the risks - its weighing up which risk is higher?
I couldn't bear the guilt - either way!
I think the problem mainly is that autism begins to come out about 18 months which i think is the time when you are supposed to have the jab?
I don't know - I'm still in turmoil with the decision myself. I know the risks - its weighing up which risk is higher?
I couldn't bear the guilt - either way!
You say you "I don't know much about it - I'm not a medical type of person" so you take the advice of a friend rather than the entire UK and WHO health professionals?
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I presume that you mean Dr Andrew Wakefield, who IMHO has more integrity in his little finger than the whole of the current government and their quango hangers-on put together.
For the authorities to go into overdrive to "convince" the population that MMR is "safe" (rather than offer a single-jab option, even for a premium cost, for those who wish to choose) stinks of sinister goings-on
mb
For the authorities to go into overdrive to "convince" the population that MMR is "safe" (rather than offer a single-jab option, even for a premium cost, for those who wish to choose) stinks of sinister goings-on
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This the man who was essentially paid to make those finding that caused so much chaos and panic?
And since when was it policy to spend tax-payers money bowing to the lunatic theories of bent doctors?
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I was only innoculated/vaccinated against smallpox, polio and TB. I missed out on catching whooping cough and scarlet fever, but got all the other childhood illnesses going
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