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Old 06 January 2008, 11:52 AM
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L - its nice to see someone not jumping on the regular 'kick 'em when they are down' Scoobynet bandwagon.

I do however think that she was posing a MASSIVE hazard, and more likely to cause an accident than someone who was driving intoxicated or at twice the speed limit (or more). These actions are totally unacceptable for all our safety (well unless you are a speecop testing a Vauxhall), and was her premeditated 'signed up' actions. Therefore I'm sorry I too have no sympathy whatsoever in this case.

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Old 06 January 2008, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Prasius
Leslie - her illness is no excuse for that driving. As I said in my post, my mother has the same illness and struggles walking; but is almost as much of a petrolhead as her two sons, and I know for a fact if she ever became that nervous behind the wheel she would stop driving immediately.
I did not deny the seriousness of the event, In some ways however she is to be admired for trying to overcome her problem and I imagine she did not realise the dangers of entering a motorway and driving so slowly. She will certainly realise that now and I doubt she will ever try that again.

My major point was that I was disgusted at the nasty comments that were made and the shameful names that she was being called by some of the people who posted on this thread. I consider that to be immature and unfair.

No one is perfect and I think that in her case some allowances should be made in the attitude towards what she did especially since she did not set out to be deliberately dangerous. Black and white does not often work in respect of human behaviour.

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Old 06 January 2008, 01:29 PM
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You made your point Les and to be honest i sometimes wonder if you have any masculinity at all. you sound rather feminine getting offended by trivial posts such as these. bless you

End of day the old trout should have been knitting herself a woolly hat instead of potentially causing a big RTA on a major highway. lock her up and throw away the key imho.

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Old 06 January 2008, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
I imagine she did not realise the dangers of entering a motorway and driving so slowly.

No one is perfect and I think that in her case some allowances should be made in the attitude towards what she did especially since she did not set out to be deliberately dangerous. Black and white does not often work in respect of human behaviour.

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I see your point here why would anyone think that driving at 10mph weaving in and out of the hard shoulder on a motorway was a danger . My 12 year old son knows this is wrong FFS.

So being treated for 3 1/2 years for the fear of driving allowances should be made .

As for your comment of you being less upset if she caused an accident than say a young fit driver in my opinion totally absurd. Any accident is equally devastating in my opinion no matter who or what caused it.

Les your and my opinion on this are poles apart on this. I totally disagree with virtually everything you say. Maybe you like Marmite - I don't.

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Old 07 January 2008, 11:53 AM
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I gather that rather than weaving about she was straddling the line delineating the hard shoulder. The reason for the difference in attitude I mentioned is that she did not knowingly take risks which might cause an accident and also anyone on the motorway should be able to stop should something occur ahead of them, while the speeding driver I mentioned would have been taking a deliberate and selfish risk. The circumstances are very different. However, if someone I know had hit her because of her fault of course I would be upset anyway.

I did not say that allowances should be made because of her fear of driving treatment, you have made an assumption. It was because of her serious illness which is truly awful.

You are perfectly entitled to disagree with everything I have said as indeed I am with your attitude and I would not attempt to deny you that right of course. Also if you said something that I agree with I would not be slow to say so.

I like Marmite too!

Les

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Old 07 January 2008, 12:43 PM
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tbh (regardless of illness) she is the kind of person that never have an accident but see lots in the rear view mirror. They do not realise they are a danger to others.

My questions would be 1. how did she get a licence in the first place and 2. when diagnoised with an illness I thought that you had to inform DVLA and they would get evidence from a Doctor. Treated for a "fear of driving" - surely DLVA should of been informed and they should have taken action. This would avoided the situation in the first place.
Old 07 January 2008, 01:19 PM
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Get her permanentley banned!

Fear of driving???? WTF

Never allow her in a car again!

Massive danger to others!
Old 07 January 2008, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
..she did not knowingly take risks which might cause an accident
Beg to differ Les, but yes she did! She knowingly got in the car and drove whilst being fully aware that she was not competent to do so. I can't fathom out how the daft bint actually got her DL in the first place?? Its like someone with a fear of heights being granted a pilot's licence, surely

Should have been charged with Dangerous Driving IMO:
A person is to be regarded as driving dangerously if and only if:
(a) the way she drives falls far below what would be expected of a competent and careful driver; and(b) it would be obvious to a competent and careful driver that driving in that way would be dangerous.

I'm a bit partial to Marmite too - have to import it myself though
Old 09 January 2008, 12:48 PM
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The account I read said that she had driven for many years with a clean licence and although she was frightened of driving, she coped well enough while on normal roads. She went on the motorway for the first time ever and what she discovered with the speed of the cars was a shock to her and she was deeply affected by it all.

Her mistake was to enter the motorway not realising how different it would be. That was not a deliberate act to put herself in such a frightening(to her) situation.

Bit of a nuisance having to import the Marmite though!

Les
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